Places and times of butterfly flying

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20.04.2009 21:19, Илюха

Very good place to start. Most of the daytime ones also have a good spread. Well, you know, you need to have antennas; the risk of damage is less if they are along the leading edge of the front wings. Labels are now easier, and even more beautiful, if you make them on a computer and print them. At night, you have a lot to collect them (after all, there are many more nocturnal species than daytime butterflies) - read the topic "Features of fishing in the light". You don't collect beetles?

About the antennas I completely agree with you probably this happened because of inexperience and haste about the labels too I'm going to do everything but everything somehow does not work out and another question I don't have any tuning entomological pins where can I get them

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21.04.2009 9:41, Илюха

Ilyukha, what region do you live in? I watch swallowtail however. It's a rarity for me

Ivanovo region city of Shuya we have swallowtails are not a rarity although I only met him 6 times and caught only one last year, my first meeting with him was in June, I was walking in the city center, and I see a big yellow butterfly sitting on the grass, at first thinking that this is some kind of yolk t, k she was sitting with her wings folded , and when she opened them I was so excited

but I didn't catch her, and the others met in the woods or in clearings once even two on a pile of manure sat,, sorry that the net was not, strange why you haven't caught her yet, besides they like to sit in puddles with nymphalids look, good luck in your search

Personally, I really want to catch podaliriya, but it seems that we do not

have them, and you are like there with nimi

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22.04.2009 16:42, Guest

Hello.Please tell me where you can catch A. tau and S. pavonia in the Leningrad region java script: add_smilie(":mol:")

A. tau - everywhere, including the Rzhevsky forest park, but usually in individual specimens.
More often - in various berezniki. Males fly during the day, resembling large mother-of-pearl birds from a distance. Females were found only during the day, sitting on twigs. Disguise as a dry leaf. In different places of the region in different years, the frequency of meetings varies.
On average, from May 10 to June 10. The peak of summer coincides with the mass flowering of the windmill. I saw a decent amount in Dibuny, Leipasuo, Nizovskaya, near Luga. In Karelian no less than in the south of the region
E. pavonia-it is easier to find hus in July, early August, in swamps on various plants (blueberries including) or on the outskirts of pine forests on birch or buckthorn.
Females fly to the light. The time of summer is May. I've seen Samtsov many times, but as in the cartoon - "it's impossible to catch this mouse..."
Upper swamps, clearings in pine forests, etc.
Good luck!

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23.04.2009 15:46, TEMPUS

By the way entomologists are there anyone from the Ivanovo region please respond

Hi.My name is Sergey.I also live in the Ivanovo region,and moreover, I have a dacha in the Shuisky district.We don't know each other?

Now for Aglia tau and Eudia pavonia. I often caught the first of them in the spring,which is not uncommon in the Shuisky district.Eudia pavonia raises much more questions.I have never met her in the Shui district.In this forum, they wrote that it can be caught on unlit sections of railways.But there are no such places near my dacha.Therefore, I would like to ask more experienced forum participants about whether this species has any other habitats (forests,fields,swamps,etc.) other than railways?, whether males fly during the day (like Aglia tau) and whether it is enough to catch them with a non-gold DRL-250,or will it only be crushed (I don't want to mess with hard UV

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24.04.2009 7:36, Илюха

Hi.My name is Sergey.I also live in the Ivanovo region,and moreover, I have a dacha in the Shuisky district.We don't know each other?
Now for Aglia tau and Eudia pavonia. I often caught the first of them in the spring,which is not uncommon in the Shuisky district.Eudia pavonia raises much more questions.I have never met her in the Shui district.In this forum, they wrote that it can be caught on unlit sections of railways.But there are no such places near my dacha.Therefore, I would like to ask more experienced forum participants about whether this species has any other habitats (forests,fields,swamps,etc.) other than railways?, whether males fly during the day (like Aglia tau) and whether it is enough to catch them with a non-gold DRL-250,or will it only be crushed (I don't want to mess with hard UV)?

Hello Sergey, I think we hardly know each other,but I would like to get to know each other better.And in what place in the Shui district do you have a dacha? And another question, there is a shop for collectors in Ivanovo on Revolution Square, do you know if there are any entomological pins there ?

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25.04.2009 14:45, TEMPUS

In the Moscow region, pavonia flew to me in completely different biotypes. And on a non-split lamp, too. I'm talking about the females. Males fly during the day, of course, but in much smaller numbers than tau and at a more crazy speed. If you do not have a railway, then there is a clearing from the power line? Here on it, fishing with the generator will immediately increase the chances.

And how frequent are E. pavonia in their habitats? What is the approximate probability of capture if you can find such a place?If you manage to catch a female, males will flock to her (as in Saturnia puri).

By the way, has anyone seen Endromis versicolora this year?If so, in which biotopes?

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26.04.2009 22:39, Aaata

Saturnia (Eudia) pavonia is distinguished (with a certain degree of convention, of course) by two ecological forms. They differ in biotopes, forage, and the time of summer.

The first one is flat (we deal with it more often). It is found in forest and forest-steppe biotopes throughout temperate Eurasia. The caterpillars feed on many deciduous woody and shrubby plants that grow both in forests and in landscape settings (Polyphagus! - blackthorn, raspberry, blackberry, rosehip, birch, buckthorn, willow, oak, etc.), less often on herbaceous plants. Imago flies in forest (forest-steppe) and, often, in anthropogenic landscapes.

The second eco – form is mountain (also known as swamp). It is found, respectively, in the mountains, mainly at medium altitudes, and in the upper swamps (as in Europe.They feed mainly on grassy vegetation (heather, strawberries, cloudberries, blueberries, and blueberries). Butterflies fly in suitable natural habitats; they are unlikely to fly in cultivated ones. Populations of this ecological form are more local than the first one, at least in the European part. The average adult age is later (especially in mountain populations).

The areas of both ecoforms are almost identical. More precisely, the second is found in the form of inclusions (sometimes quite extensive) throughout the vast territory.

Externally, the butterflies of these two forms are almost indistinguishable and, in most cases, there are no stable morphological differences. Among the exceptions I know of, there is a shape (or stable aberration) described, I think, from somewhere in the high Alps, and characterized by a gray wing color with an indistinct pattern.(unfortunately, I don't remember the name, because I was interested in these issues about 20 years ago). By the way, something similar was bred at home, when the caterpillars (accidentally) experienced a lack of sunlight and food – at the same time, not only did small specimens turn out, they also had translucent gray wings with a "blurry" pattern (and interestingly, such a change in color and pattern only concerned females, while males were just getting smaller).

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27.04.2009 9:59, chebur

Relatively close to you, there is a place where I saw them in large numbers a few years ago: the vicinity of oz. Glubokoe (this is by bus from Zvenigorod to get to Andreevsky, then on foot). They flew very tightly on the approach to the lake, in fact in the coastal zone.

By the way, on the same walking route there are magnificent populations of mother-of-pearl eunomia and helle pigeon (in a very wet forest clearing, and in general along the route), keep in mind, because the species are local.

Could you specify the location of this lake? I tried to find it on a Google map: I found the village of Andreyevskoye near Zvenigorod, but I couldn't find Glubokoe Lake (only the lake is located in the northern part of the city). Poletskoe)...

27.04.2009 12:27, А.Й.Элез

The lake is quite famous. And there is no need to search for Google. What's the difference between hydrography and toponymy in general?.. In most cases, you can only set the name when you click on photo illustrations that already have captions with names, otherwise you can't do anything. But the illustrations on Google are sometimes shifted and attached to the wrong objects at all. This Google is strong in coordinates, and toponymy (in order to know whose coordinates they are, in fact,) has to be reinstalled using normal maps. Here are the coordinates right in the middle of the lake, if you really want to search on Google: 55°45 '11.03"C, 36°30'18.11" B. But it is better to use a new weave-the one that was published in binding in 2007; an earlier weave of a similar format does not have horizontal lines, unfortunately. In the new edition, the relief is reflected very decently. However, in the new edition, all gas pipeline lines that are very important in entomological terms are finally cleaned out, but communication lines are added for the sake of commercial show-off. Lake Glubokoe is located in the upper part of p. 71 and in the lower part of p. 51 (the village of Andreyevskoye is located on the same map, and the lake is located just to the south-west of the village). If you look at this map, then go from the village to the top of the depicted paths through the field (there is actually a street between the rows of dachas), leaving a pond to the right of the route, then go through the forest along the path, then at the last fork with a clearing-not to the left to the point " hydrobiol. art.", but to the right along the clearing to the upper (northern) part of the eastern shore of the lake. There, on the approach to the lake, swallowtails were caught in the first days of June (of course, at this time they were already very flown, but from 7 to 10 specimens of both sexes were found).

From Andreevsky to Glubokoe on the map five kilometers on foot will definitely be typed, but really all six. In addition, you will catch something in the clearing (where on the edge, or rather, already in the forest-at the exit of the path to the clearing, there is a small memorial completely invisible from the clearing itself at the site of the death of partisan S. I. Solntsev); Solntsevskaya glade-where eunomia and helle are found and may well be under the conditions of the biotope found and titania-is already (very approximately!) a kilometer after entering the forest. I haven't been there for a long time, but I think the clearing is still intact. But the field between the village and the forest was probably completely rebuilt with dachas (this was mentioned on the Internet).

Going from north to south along the shore (and then clockwise around the lake), I came across this "hydrobiol. st." From it to the south and there is a good road to Novogorbovo, so if you want, you can get to the lake and use it to get to Novogorbovo, and from there-to the north to this very one stations on the lake. Russian buses used to go to Novogorbovo (some of the Kolyubakinsky buses used to go to Novogorbovo); I think they still go now. You need to sit on them at the platform. Tuchkovo Belorusskaya railway station (Mozhaisk direction).

About the road from Novogorbovo to the lake (and fields to zap. from Andreevsky) I quote a bicycle touristfrom the Internet: "From Novogorbov with an obelisk, the villagers who helped the partisans are guided by a good grader in the direction of Glubokoe (at the forks - there will be two main ones - you should always choose the left knurled road), ending with the station gate, from which the path along Glubokoe begins to the right. As it turned out, choosing a more well-trodden path, you inevitably get on the path to Andreevskoe. After circling around the lake, finding the grave of the hydrologist Professor Muraveysky and not finding the obelisk to the hero of the Second World War Solntsev, it was on it that I came to the field, which is now almost completely built up with dachas" (information for September 2005). The tourist, as we see, got to the lake from Novogorbov, and left through Andreevskoe. But, having "turned around", he and his bicycle really could not go around the entire perimeter of the lake, he only passed part of the eastern shore; and yet, it is precisely to the north-western corner of the lake that this very nice peat bog approaches.

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