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08.05.2009 2:02, А.Й.Элез

A fire burns or simply kills with high temperature, and to speed up the withdrawal of survivors, a fire, in my opinion, is painfully extreme, for withdrawal you need a stable and not terrible warm-up. Although everything happens. But the hillock on the south side is more common and likely for both of these females, not just mine. By the way, there are plenty of bollards everywhere now, and I also noticed my female pavonia in a very scorched place.

And is the fauna of MO as far behind the norm as we all feared? Temperatures – temperatures, but the lack of snow in spring is obvious (and the flood is worthless), so the temperature shortage was compensated by the lack of snow cover and, accordingly, the best access of sunlight to the litter. The only female Endromis I saw this spring was blown off her perch by the wind, where she had climbed after fully laying her eggs to die of old age. I did not starve her with anything, she was absolutely sluggish, and soon she was completely dead in the bag. If it was in the juice itself, I could still consider it a little late, but it seems almost normal. The temperatures, I assume, affected more not the nocturnal fraternity, which is already no stranger to the mallet, but the daytime ones like rutabaga, for which the low daytime temperatures, of course, could not but give a delay. Parthenias has also taken root a little, and it is also daytime in the summer.

I think it's true that we don't have enough pavonias this year. By the way, here not only delays in spring play a role, but also small factors like a sudden frost in the last day before opening the pupa; knowledgeable people say that negative temperatures in the last day are disastrous. If it so coincides – the failure of the number is very likely. Fireballs also play a role; at least where I went on May 5 and 6, the fireballs were noticeably stronger than in other years. Pupae of both pavonia and endromis are almost not protected from firewood.

08.05.2009 6:00, Sergey Didenko

Yes, in the Yegoryevsky, O-Zuyevsky and Shatursky districts it is burning almost everywhere. Rather, it is already burning a little where, but there are fires almost everywhere. Today Vladimir was fishing in his village, let's see what's going on with the pavonias...

11.05.2009 0:33, Tyomochkin

On the night of the 9th, it was not possible to catch pavonia (((((

11.05.2009 6:02, Sergey Didenko

In the village, Vladimir is not very good with pavonias, but last night he caught a female tau, very fresh, just hatched, says almost completely white. During the day, he will try to lure males to it.

11.05.2009 18:40, El Cazador

How are you doing with luring males to a female? Be sure to write!

12.05.2009 5:47, Sergey Didenko

It was very fresh, and it looked like it was in the night. In the morning, when he examined it, not only was it no longer a girl (laid eggs, 19 pieces), but it was also worn. Despite this, it was taken to the forest, but the males did not bite into the used goods. smile.gif
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12.05.2009 6:20, Aaata

Used butterflies are usually not held in high esteem. Although the female P. apollo with two (!) sphragis met.

12.05.2009 20:59, Guest

Just half an hour ago I caught a female peacock in the center of the city of UR))))))))))!!!!!!!!!!!!

12.05.2009 21:08, Aaata

Just half an hour ago I caught a female peacock in the center of the city of UR))))))))))!!!!!!!!!!!!

What city?

12.05.2009 21:43, Papaver

What city?

???!!!
Has something changed in the world? Or in the worldview?

12.05.2009 22:13, Aaata

So then about the label for a specific insect... smile.gif

13.05.2009 1:29, Papaver

Yeah... My daughter ate some candy before lunch yesterday: "Daddy! Well, this is just one! " shuffle.gif
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13.05.2009 5:54, Sergey Didenko

A question for those who themselves bred tau, starting from eggs (you don't need to quote from books, I want from personal experience): how to feed gisenits, starting from the earliest age?

13.05.2009 6:42, Guest

What city?

Shuya, Ivanovo region.

13.05.2009 9:37, Grigory Grigoryev

"a survey to those who themselves bred tau, starting from eggs (you don't need to quote from books, I want from personal experience): how to feed gisenits, starting from the earliest age?"

My worms ate birch, if memory serves (hatched from eggs)
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13.05.2009 11:00, гук

It's time to organize a new topic:
Duel "Papaver versus... "by analogy"Bet between..."
Papaver, did you have a mom, dad was?.....
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14.05.2009 11:00, Guest

It seems the swallowtails flew here yesterday I saw two.

20.05.2009 19:39, Sergey Didenko

What is it, in the Yegoryevsky district-proserpines did not fly (information from Vladimir Vasilenko)

20.05.2009 21:24, mikee

What is it, in the Yegoryevsky district-proserpines did not fly (information from Vladimir Vasilenko)

And in more detail? Day-night-where? smile.gif

21.05.2009 0:52, Aaata

What is it, in the Yegoryevsky district-proserpines did not fly (information from Vladimir Vasilenko)

So it seems to be time.

21.05.2009 5:42, Sergey Didenko

I don't know what time it is, but they arrived from 24.05 to 16.06, and if you consider that this year is not the earliest, to put it mildly, it seems to be still early. I arrived alone at 22.30 in his village. So I have to fly to Orekhovo already, and I'm not going there again.

22.05.2009 5:36, Sergey Didenko

Proserpina is already flying around in a shoal, and in Mytishchi last night, he also took a whole female tau from a street lamp.

22.05.2009 8:44, vizioner

Dear entomologists,
Maybe someone can tell you about the time of summer and where to look for MNEMOSYNE , interested in St. Petersburg and its surroundings .
Maybe it appears in the district of Vaskelov, Orekhov? mol.gif

22.05.2009 8:49, vizioner

Yes, I almost forgot, here's my address just in case: alexarcdesign@mail.ru mol.gif

22.05.2009 20:14, Hemaris

Proserpina is already flying around in a shoal, and in Mytishchi last night, he also took a whole female tau from a street lamp.



I very much doubt that Proserpine is already flying near Moscow, and even more so together with tau.

24.05.2009 20:23, Sergey Didenko

Proserpine in the Moscow region for ten years is quite a weed butterfly. I, of course, exaggerate, but it flies from the twenties of May in quite large numbers, both in Moscow itself and in the east of the region, where I catch it at the dacha at dusk in the non-white flowers of colored nettles. The village of Vladimir is not far from my dacha, so I have no doubt that everything is as I wrote it. Of course, the fact that this year it has already flown is strange for me, the year is late, the tau has not yet flown away, but who will understand these butterflies, from our doubts they do not stop flying.

26.05.2009 9:29, Илюха

Something jaundice is not visible in us and in others ???

26.05.2009 11:40, chebur

I really want to know when it is better to go to the Voronezh region for Plebeius pyrenaica ergana. There was an idea to go this weekend, but spring is late this year.

26.05.2009 12:19, Dantist

Last weekend (23.05.09) I went to Kharkiv region. Volchansky district There, Plebeius pyrenaica ergana flew in large numbers and all over the world. But Neolycaena rhymnus wasn't there frown.gifyet - probably too early for it.
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26.05.2009 20:06, lepidopterolog

I really want to know when it is better to go to the Voronezh region for Plebeius pyrenaica ergana. There was an idea to go this weekend, but spring is late this year.

Last year, the spring was almost normal (with a deviation of one week), however, they began to fly en masse to Divnogorye only in early June. Go between 5-12, I think you will not lose.
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26.05.2009 21:03, taler

I want to write about the recently discovered sensation.
16.05.09. on the northernmost point of Israel ,Mount Hermon, I caught a lost female with signs of Allancastria cerisyi speciosa .It was difficult to pinpoint its exact appearance,but the color of its paws indicated that it was Allancastria cerisyi speciosa .This species of allancastria is endemic to Mount Carmel,and it is very limited to its eastern side, where its forage plant Aristolochia sempervirens grows.The distance to Mount Hermon is about 200 km.Prior to this incident,Mount Hermon was home to another allancastria-Allancastria deyrollei eisneri, which is quite common in Israel, Lebanon and Syria.On the same day,Allancastria deyrollei eisneri(Aristolochia paecilantha) forage plant was found to have strangely colored Allancastria caterpillars.At home,I raised both Allancastria deyrollei eisneri and Allancastria cerisyi speciosa caterpillars and conducted an experiment with a forage plant.It turned out that Allancastria cerisyi speciosa eats the forage plant Allancastria deyrollei eisneri,but not vice versa.
On 23.05.09, 5 males with Allancastria cerisyi speciosa traits and 1 female were caught on Mount Hermon.There are also several males and females of Allancastria deyrollei eisneri.One pair was captured after a male cerisi mated with a female derolli. On this occasion, the idea was born that Mount Hermon may be inhabited by a hybrid Allancastria deyrollei eisneri x Allancastria cerisyi speciosa capable of reproduction and generations .But such a hybrid can lead to the extinction of both populations.Will it then be a new species / subspecies of alliancastria?

Sensational caterpillars inherit the traits of both species.The body is black like Cerisi's and the horns are white like Derolli's.



In connection with this discovery,entomologists in Israel got up on their ears,and I just had a curator who would correct my actions,because in this case I am a new person.

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26.05.2009 22:04, lepidopterolog

If such a hybrid is possible (in the sense that it is viable), then the probability of the existence of a hybrid population is simply negligible, especially a hybrid between such narrow-range and local species (a hybrid male or hybrid female should appear, moreover, they should still meet and quite a large part of the offspring should survive!!!.....). If such an "improbability" is still possible, then the resulting population will soon degenerate due to inbreeding... Interspecific hybridization within the genus is quite common in erebia, eneis, and insectariums, even intergeneric hybrids of saturnia are obtained, but I have never heard of the formation of stable populations in nature...

26.05.2009 22:19, taler

So I've never encountered it,but there is more than one hybrid caterpillar(I have about 3 dozen of them)and mass in nature.And almost in the same amount with the caterpillars of Allancastria deyrollei eisneri .There is no doubt that the hybrid population is stable at the moment.Now we need to wait for what will come out of the tracks.

27.05.2009 9:38, Guest

This is evidence that it is all one view.

27.05.2009 9:43, Bad Den

Guest, why do you think so?

27.05.2009 10:26, Yakovlev

I managed to catch 3 male Stubbendorffia and clarius hybrids in one clearing in 2 seasons. There are probably points where hybridization is more active.
The presence of hybrids in any case does not indicate that the taxa are conspecific.

27.05.2009 11:29, Guest

these are the basics of biology.
(instrumental confirmation when mol. analysis)

27.05.2009 12:42, lepidopterolog

Come on, how can the ability to hybridize two species serve as proof of their conspecificity? In extreme cases, this is proof that the taxa are quite related.

27.05.2009 12:50, Vlad Proklov

A couple of related articles:
http://www.biology.ualberta.ca/faculty/fel...i_etal07MBE.pdf
http://www.biology.ualberta.ca/faculty/fel...7InsSysEvol.pdf
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27.05.2009 13:09, Guest

Come on, how can the ability to hybridize two species serve as proof of their conspecificity? In extreme cases, this is proof that the taxa are quite related.


If you look carefully, based on the original message,
this is not about the ability, but about the general rule.

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