Places and times of butterfly flying

People, I have such a question: why does the admiral butterfly (vanessa atlanta) always sit on everyone's hands (as well as on other parts of the body)? She doesn't look stupid, but she's taking a big risk...

People, I have such a question: why does the admiral butterfly (vanessa atlanta) always sit on everyone's hands (as well as on other parts of the body)? She doesn't look stupid, but she's taking a big risk...

Butterflies (not only the admiral) are attracted to all kinds of organic matter, including pot.

A purposeful search for habitats of some rare species requires professional and, often, many years of work. Therefore, please do not judge strictly those who just want to see (and catch with their own hands) how Polyxena-apollo-Mnemosyne flies.. .................... You see, then the person himself will be able to find a new place, because the description is one thing, and to see for yourself how and where the kirkazon-crested stonecrop grows, another thing.

I agree that it is not very interesting to constantly go to the same place. It is much more interesting to explore new places. But in the case of rare species, as long as you have not met them yourself, then it is very problematic to find them yourself. Therefore, of course, the easiest option here is to find out the exact location, go to see it. And then it's much easier to find other new points on your own.
I also want to separate a purposeful long-term search from a simple curiosity to visit a new point and find out what is found there.

Personally, I can say that I am engaged in long-term purposeful searches for certain species, and go to the points indicated by others, and look for new populations, and just visit new places for good luck (and luck usually accompanies; -)

A purposeful search for habitats of some rare species requires professional and, often, many years of work. Therefore, please do not judge strictly those who just want to see (and catch with their own hands) how Polyxena-apollo-Mnemosyne flies.. .................... You see, then the person himself will be able to find a new place, because the description is one thing, and to see for yourself how and where the kirkazon-crested stonecrop grows, another thing.

I agree that it is not very interesting to constantly go to the same place. It is much more interesting to explore new places. But in the case of rare species, as long as you have not met them yourself, then it is very problematic to find them yourself. Therefore, of course, the easiest option here is to find out the exact location, go to see it. And then it's much easier to find other new points on your own.
I also want to separate a purposeful long term search from a simple curiosity to visit a new point and get to know

are there polixena and apollo in Belarus?

are there polixena and apollo in Belarus?

Polyxena is there -- Apollo, like, no.

According to O. I. Merzhelevskaya, A. N. Litvinova / Lepidoptera of Belarus. Minsk "Science and Technology", 1976
Apollo was discovered only once in the middle of the VII century (oh, how long ago it was). So there is no hurry. And all in the same literature - polyxene is not noted. But the book is quite old. But in the red book it is listed here
http://redbook.minpriroda.by/animalsearch2...20(LEPIDOPTERA)

I confirm that Belarus has Polyxene

According to O. I. Merzhelevskaya, A. N. Litvinova / Lepidoptera of Belarus. Minsk "Science and Technology", 1976
Apollo was discovered only once in the middle of the VII century (oh, how long ago it was). So there is no hurry. And all in the same literature - polyxene is not noted. But the book is quite old. But in the red book it is listed here
http://redbook.minpriroda.by/animalsearch2...20(LEPIDOPTERA)

In what century?! In VII?! Where did the authors get such data? I'd like to know the original source. It seems that there were no chronicles at that time. Who (and where) recorded the discovery of Apollo, who is this Early Medieval (Old Slavic? Ugro-Finnish? German?) an entomologist collector?

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 02/27/2008 18: 34

Can you tell me the exact location? I heard it somewhere near Rechitsa.

Can you tell me the exact location? I heard it somewhere near Rechitsa.

Search the forum. Last year, at about the same time, there was a topic about polixena, which was attended by a colleague from Belarus. For reliable information, please contact him.

Sorry, I messed up again. Discovered once in the middle of VII. As I understand it, in the middle of July. Something really got to me. True, neither the date nor the place are indicated, only the following is indicated, I quote: Discovered only once near the northern border of the republic in the middle of VII.

People! What interesting things can fly (from butterflies) at the end of April in Ufa?

Tell me where you can find mnemosyne in Kiev and the surrounding area .18.05. I was in Koncha-Zaspa - I didn't find it.

Tell me where you can find mnemosyne in Kiev and the surrounding area .18.05. I was in Koncha-Zaspa , but I didn't find it.

Try it on the Bald Mountain in the vicinity of the metro station. Vydubichi. Look at the edges and clearings of oak and oak-hornbeam forests.
Disclaimer: I didn't catch it myself, my friends told me.

Good Luck

This year in May it was pts. a lot of polyxene, mnemosyne and lucine in the floodplain of the Medveditsa River in the Volgograd region. 2 weeks ago, swallowtails were already actively flying. It is strange that this year I have not met a single burdock so far, although in 2007 fresh ones have been flying since mid-June, and so far I have met quite a few podaliris, and in 2007 there were an order of magnitude more of them. 3. there were very few swallowtails in 2006-2007...

And the pine hawk moth, is it not rare? I've only seen him once in all my years of fishing.
And about 2 weeks ago I went out to a clearing, and there a bush is blooming, and these hawks are a cloud.. at least take it with your hands...
I've already spread them out, and the caterpillars are climbing..

One of the usual ones in the North and probably in the Center of Ukraine.

I suggest that you consult here about catching certain specimens.
(For admins: I didn't find such a topic, only a few separate tipos like how to catch this and that, how to catch that, so I created a new one).
So it's not the first year I've been drooling over Saturnia pyri (night peacock's eye). I know that they fly in May, but I don't know how and where to catch it...
I personally intend this year to go for them in the Moscow region, Kashira region, in the Moscow region somewhere read on the forum caught them.
In general, interested in the question of how to catch? DRL 250 400, bait, maybe where it is better to look for pupae, in WHAT numbers it is better to catch, in general, please advise that the chances of catching it this year were maximum)
Earlier than spsaibo)

This post was edited by Tyomochkin - 04/06/2009 19: 57

Does MO have piri?I advise you to follow her to the south.By the way, dig into the "reports", there is data on Ukraine.And catching it is really fun.I caught it myself in February.Such monsters on the screen thump.

They don't need bait.Except for males, a female.Summer time-as it gets dark 1-2 hours and before dawn, too, for an hour or two.Some may arrive in the middle of the night.The optimal temperature is above 14C.The DRL 250 lamp is quite suitable.
It is advisable to catch near all fruit trees.I fished near olives and almonds.For the middle lane,cherries,apples, and pears are suitable.

In MO piri is not and can not be, catch better pavonia

Saturnia pyri (night peacock's eye). I know that they fly in May, but I don't know how and where to catch it...

There is nothing easier. On May 15-20, take a train ticket to the Seven Wells station, then take a bus to Shchelkino. There, settle down on the private sector with a friend of mine, a local photographer and local historian Alexandra (coordinates, if you are going to go, I will give you in a personal account), shine for a couple of days, dial piri of this (in that area it is banal) as much as you need and take your leave.
It may not be necessary year after year, but last year, for example, it was a lot.

Piri in MO - in the foreseeable past and in the foreseeable future, most likely a myth. And it is easy to expect imago flights only from feeding butterflies. Therefore, oak hawk moth does not fly to the north, and death's head and bindweed fly. In the Odessa region, in the Ovidiopolsky district, above the Roksolanovsky steeps (i.e., at the confluence of the Dniester with the Black Sea), I caught piri in the light (both sexes) in the last days of May (June 1 and 2 - the last), but these were long years, it is better to start fishing half a month earlier. As for the Western Caucasus (the Sochi coast is sometimes cited as an example, etc.), the piri flies there until the last days of July (!); but the departure there is also later than the southern norm, since the Black Sea is a reservoir of cold after winter, and the coast is widely isolated in parallel (unlike the Odessa region) from continental warm air masses by the Main Caucasian ridge.

Pavonia is quite common in MO. You can even (and if you search purposefully - and very likely) find caterpillars and feed them. Just feed it better and do not forget about the warmth and light, otherwise they will be too small. You can catch imagos in the light on railway platforms at the junction of April and May (this year it hardly makes sense before May 5). Platforms should be selected based on the presence of suitable plants in the vicinity (raspberries are almost everywhere) and on the minimum illumination at night (i.e., where there are no settlements, businesses, etc. right next to the platform). By the way, you can also select the remaining eggs from captured females for subsequent hatching. In general, when the average daily temperature reaches 10 degrees Celsius, from this moment on, according to the observations of one colleague who has been working on them for years, pavonias wait five days and fly out. But that's a plus or minus...

The earliest pavonia in the MO was observed by me on May 1, although I have been fishing for quite a long time (the last 15 years for a lamp), I did not see it before May. The latest date is May 11, i.e. the gap is quite narrow. Endromis fly about two or three weeks earlier, and this year they are unlikely to be expected before April 17. Both species were found in all places where I catch-both in the north, and in the east, and even in Moscow itself (it is clear that on the outskirts).

(For admins: I didn't find such a topic, only a few separate tipos like how to catch this and that, how to catch that, so I created a new one).

Tyomochkin, IMHO, you duplicated your own theme - Places of butterfly summer

Colleagues, since we have already touched upon Saturnia pyri...
Who, where and when caught it in the Voronezh and Belgorod regions?

pavonia is common throughout the region, but it is more likely to catch the butterfly in the east and southeast.
By the way, don't forget about Aglia tau. Females are caught either in the light, or are sitting (this is if you are lucky). Collecting males is a real sport hunt. I'll have to run. If only there are a lot of butterflies, you can take a position and try to catch the males flying by from the spot.

Only here, this phrase surprised: "I personally intend to go to the Kashira region near Moscow to pick them up this year, I read somewhere on the forum caught them in the Moscow region."
Kashirsky district, a colleague. Moscow region.

Yes, about the time of summer.
As for Aglia tau-the beginning of summer is the time when leaves with 2-3 kopek coins appear on the birch tree.
In general, with our unpredictable weather (I mean MO), it is difficult to link the time of summer to certain dates. Especially with spring and autumn views. Phenologically, yes.

pavonia is common throughout the region, but it is more likely to catch the butterfly in the east and southeast.
By the way, don't forget about Aglia tau. Females are caught either in the light, or are sitting (this is if you are lucky). Collecting males is a real sport hunt. I'll have to run. If only there are a lot of butterflies, you can take a position and try to catch the males flying by from the spot.

Only here, this phrase surprised: "I personally intend to go to the Kashira region near Moscow to pick them up this year, I read somewhere on the forum caught them in the Moscow region."
Kashirsky district, a colleague. Moscow region.

Yes, about the time of summer.
As for Aglia tau-the beginning of summer is the time when leaves with 2-3 kopek coins appear on the birch tree.
In general, with our unpredictable weather (I mean MO), it is difficult to link the time of summer to certain dates. Especially with spring and autumn views. Phenologically, yes.

According to A. tau, I have always been guided by the linden tree. When the kidneys are in the last stage before opening, the process begins. Tested in several districts of the Moscow region, Tver and Yaroslavl provinces. And catching tau males is really quite a sport
The earliest E. versicolora was caught on April 5. It was a female in the thawed snow on the railroad slope.

PS. Shitty spring so far

According to A. tau, I have always been guided by the linden tree. When the kidneys are in the last stage before opening, the process begins. Tested in several districts of the Moscow region, Tver and Yaroslavl provinces. And catching tau males is really quite a sport
The earliest E. versicolora was caught on April 5. It was a female in the thawed snow on the railroad slope.

PS. Shitty spring yet

Mikhail, I have the impression that this year, as if not in May, everything necessary and interesting flew. Forecasters promise another 2 weeks of cold weather. And I don't even want to talk about last weekend in the Ryazan region - it was covered with a snow blizzard so that then we barely warmed up with 40-degree drinks.

Female taus, however, can fly during the day (although for some reason entomologists usually deny this). I have seen this in the Ministry of Defense many times. But not in very bright sun, although not in very cloudy weather. And only those females that do not have many eggs left to lay. The female flutters at a height of 2-2.5 (maximum 3) m above the ground and lays eggs. After one such oath in the thick of a goat willow, I found 8 pieces of eggs on a leaf nearby. In another place, during such flutterings, the female was taken by my companion, and the female gave out 16 eggs at home.

About the female Endromis'a April 5-interesting. It was this number that I caught on such slopes near the yellow roads of overwintered xanthomelas. Obviously, Endromis also managed to pupate right on the slope of the southern exposure, since April 5 is too early for MO - for any year. I noticed a female normally coming out and drying out in the south of the region on April 16 (in a clearing in a rare-hardy middle-aged birch forest), when snow remained only in shady places in the forest (although quite a lot). At the same time, both sexes normally went to the light. Days later, the female (from which 34 eggs were taken) was taken sitting in broad daylight on a birch thicket in a power line clearing between Skorotov (near Zvenigorod) and Dunin at an altitude of about 2.5 m.

Pavonia, I assume, in the north of the region should also be tied to swamps (i.e. cloudberries). Endromis, like tau, is ubiquitous, males usually patrol glades, meadows, and ravine slopes along well-established routes, so in some narrow opening between trees where a butterfly sweeps from one part of the clearing to another, you can lie in wait for them and beat them in flight. A flying male is hard to catch (it flies fast, like the males of tau and pavonia), but it gets caught in the way wherever it goes; but if you miss , you won't catch up, there are almost no options. The female is hatched depending on the warming of the soil, in sunny conditions it hangs and dries out somewhere as early as 12 o'clock for sure. The male flies during the day, as noted, until noon (i.e., until 14.00 summer time), but you can take it in the early morning. For example, at 8 o'clock in the morning in sunny weather, it still sits and warms up, and it is not recognized as a crazy flyer - an ordinary woolly bumpkin, falls into the stain like a fool. Even at almost 10 am, I saw the male just beginning his day flight, starting from last year's raspberry stalks on the edge of a meadow on the southern (i.e. northern exposure) slope of the floodplain of the Khalyava River (near Skorotovo). And somewhere around 8 o'clock in the morning at the Shkolnaya platform (m. Golitsyn and Zvenigorod), a male Endromis was sitting and warming up at a height of no more than 40 cm above the ground on the corner of a brick utility shed in direct sunlight.

The male Endromis flies up to the female before she is completely dry on the brood, and then almost sleeps on her for at least two hours. But at the stage of a close approach to it, the male becomes stupid and is taken at least with his bare hands. Tau mating also occurs during the daytime; my colleague V. P. Volkov, as well as others, found mating during the day in various places in the region, although I once saw (on the border of Odintsovo and Ruz districts) and the night approach of a male to a newly hatched female, possibly because the female was not hatched. on time, and at night looking, woken up literally abutting in the leaves of the birch lamp of the street lamp (in the daytime, this female would have found someone to fuck long ago). In general, when catching all these spring furry animals, you need to pay attention not so much to the one who flashed by, but to the branches (thank God, still without foliage) - first of all, young growth up to 3 m high along the glades of power lines and in the apron plume - and the lower tier (first of all from early morning), in which butterflies either they dry out, either warm up, or mate.

The post was edited by A. J. Elez - 09.04.2009 11: 16

I apologize in advance, I got it all mixed up... Eudia pavonia of course... That is, as far as I understand, May 3-11, night, 11-12 hours (23.00-00.00). Baits are not needed, suitable DRL 250...? To be honest wildly doubt her capture.... IMHO rare creepy, although judging by the stories... Still annoying message about the temperature at night +15 like... I clearly followed the summer of 2008 for the temperature at night in Michurinsk (Tambov region), so in June, in the first half, I did not record more than 13 degrees.... I don't know about May... Am I wrong...?

Yes.

The night temperature during the summer in the light, I know from my poor experience and other people's information, can be no higher than eight degrees. But it is better, of course, at least ten. And in the morning - and much lower will fall. After all, the night minimum temperature comes in the morning, but then Pavonia already sees the tenth dream, the main fishing lasts, m. b., until zero hours, the maximum-until one o'clock in the morning. At stations, they go to ordinary lanterns, where the DRL is also covered with a hood, and if you catch your own lanterns, it's better to use two DRL-ki-broken and unbroken, at least 250 watts each (even better, 400). But it is the females that fly to the light, and I have never heard of the arrival of a virgin female (you can only accidentally find one shortly after hatching or bring it out yourself at home).

I will share my observations on catching Eudia pavonia. Many times I had to collect them in the Nizhny Novgorod region, both by light and by manual collection. On light (DRL-250) virgin females also fly well, so it is important to get to the beginning of their summer in a given area and in a given year (which, in itself, is not so easy), and also that the light source is as close as possible to the place where butterflies come out of their pupae (which is even more difficult). Considering that in practice, it is rather problematic to meet these conditions, it seems that virgin females (i.e., as I understand it, they are completely unbroken, unfertilized and actively attract males to themselves) do not "go"to the light. And one more thing (I apologize for the small digression). Somewhere in the topic "Features of fishing for light" about the inefficiency of increasing the DRL power over 250W. it has already been reported. According to my observations, I can only confirm this, including in relation to Eudia pavonia. The reasons for this certain oddity were mentioned in Gornostaev's work. In general, I concluded for myself that the DRL-250 is the optimum power for this type of lamp. Here, for combined use, it is suitable that one of the lamps is 400W. and more - it attracts from a greater distance, and 250W. "collect" is closer to the screen. In the case of using two DRL, it is better that one was without an external bulb (split). Maximum arrivals are noted immediately after switching them from different options; continuous combination of two lamps is less effective. In the daytime, it is better to collect pavonia in cloudy and cool weather, when they are less active and sit quietly, and if they are searched for until the greenery is completely blooming, then they are also clearly visible.

Females of pavonia begin to fly to the light at dusk. My fees include a copy that arrived on May 5 at 21.30. And their males, apparently, do not come to the light at all.

Hello gentlemen entomologists! Can someone tell me where and when you can find butterflies Endromis versicolora. Especially interested in the Leningrad region, since I'm from St. Petersburg.

Hello gentlemen entomologists! Can someone tell me where and when you can find butterflies Endromis versicolora. Especially interested in the Leningrad region, since I'm from St. Petersburg.

We ourselves are waiting (Moscow) For it to warm up and fly... While the weather is not happy.

I really want to see Lycaena helle this year.
If anyone knows points in the Moscow region (preferably to the south of Moscow), I would be very grateful for any information (you can in PM)

Hello gentlemen entomologists! Can someone tell me where and when you can find butterflies Endromis versicolora. Especially interested in the Leningrad region, since I'm from St. Petersburg.

Everywhere (I didn't see it only in spruce forests and swamps). The beginning of summer coincides with the beginning of birch and larch blooming in the CITY.
On the Karelian Isthmus 7-10 days later than in Luga.

In Luga, the peak of summer is the very beginning of May, on the isthmus-the middle of May.
Males in good weather run through the forest much faster than Aglia tau.
In bad weather (rain, but warm, or cold) sit on twigs in the undergrowth at a level of about 1 meter above the ground.
They fly into the light. You can find males early in the morning at the railway station near the streetlights.
Meadows - 131km, Lebyazhye, Nizovskaya, Pella, Orekhovo, Losevo.
The mass age of males was observed at st.Brick Factory (outside Vsevolozhsk on Petrokrepost). Ahead of the city is 1-1. 5 km, on the left is a burnt overgrown swamp.
Immediately behind it, turn left, perpendicular to the piece of iron. Walk to bereznyak. Birch trees can be flooded with water - not terrible, not deep. There and years. There are quite a few ticks...
However, I myself haven't been there for quite a few years - I hope that everything didn't burn down...

If there is an opportunity to catch the light - a warm night in the first decade of May (well, in the first half). There should be so much to come that you will never want to catch it again!
Good luck!

Thanks! Especially interesting is what concerns the railway stations Orekhovo, Losevo ...
Perhaps they also appear in the Vaskelovo district!