Places and times of butterfly flying

these are the basics of biology.
(instrumental confirmation when mol. analysis)

The presence of hybridization of 2 species does not mean that these 2 species are the same species. Moreover, it is not known whether this hybrid is fertile (and is it a hybrid?).

There are hundreds of examples of hybridization of different animal species (and genera), as well as thousands of examples in objects of botany

Although, Pavel (taler) can think-and maybe this is a completely different taxon. After all, a remarkable species from the real Arctids, Olepa shleini, was recently described from Israel. I've seen a sample series. Impressive.

Roma!Be my curator!And then it's all new to me

Speaking of the named dipper taxon (I looked at the Witt Museum website), this is the first time I've seen that there are quite a few names that describe it. And the standard series, as written more than 1000 copies. Is this a mass view?

Olepa shleini is a bear imported from Asia.Actively reproduces and harms accordingly.by the way, who described it in Israel?

There are a lot of authors Speidel, Witt, Kravchenko, Muller, Hausmann and others ... maybe I forgot someone. In general, the code does not provide for limiting the number of authors, although there are usually no more than three.
Pavel, I am very flattered, but butterflies of the Mediterranean are not my specialty, for sure... In addition, there is a need for genetic analysis. I think Gunther Mueller from Jerusalem will be very helpful in this regard.

we have Apolons flying.... 2 weeks earlier than usual

Yes, really early....

People, has anyone collected in the marshes near Konakovo in the Tver region?

Can the Ivanovo region be inhabited by species of the autumn silkworm family Lemonia dumi and / or taraxaci?If so, in which biotopes can they be found?

They can fly. Widespread species. But they are already too late with taraxaci, they fly in August.

This post was edited by AntSkr - 15.09.2009 13: 55

They can fly. Widespread species. But they are already too late with taraxaci, they fly in August.

Well, let's try to get at least dumi.

They can fly. Widespread species. But they are already too late with taraxaci, they fly in August.

These species, despite the fact that they do have a large distribution area, are found very sparsely and very sparsely. In the latest edition of the Red Book of the MO, taraxasi is generally given a zero category, although I have been regularly catching them in the O-Zuevsky district for the last ten years. I wonder who else catches them in recent years in the Ministry of Defense?

This post was edited by sdi-19.09.2009 09: 24

The problem with dumi is that butterflies fly during the day, while males and females fly infrequently and mostly sit in the grass. More often they find caterpillars and bring them out.

These species, despite the fact that they do have a large distribution area, are found very sparsely and very sparsely. In the latest edition of the Red Book of the MO, taraxasi is generally given a zero category, although I have been regularly catching them in the O-Zuevsky district for the last ten years. I wonder who else catches them in recent years in the Ministry of Defense?

Dumi is found in the south of the region for sure, at least in Serpukhov (often; on other days you see at least a dozen flights) and Kolomna (occasionally) areas, in other places I myself did not note. As for taraxaci, a few years ago I saw it in September (I don't remember the exact date, but the first half of the month; on that day they caught dumi in the same place) in the Serpukhov district. I think the species should be considered rare and local, although I don't really understand the" logic " of this locality yet. Where I once saw it, dandelion is very rare, but in many places where there is a lot of dandelion, no taraxaci and does not smell... I think that there should be either clearings, or even better meadows, only (maximum) adjacent to the forest (but not limited to the forest on all sides), or just illuminated grassy slopes (banks, for example), and dry. I suspect that the species is capable of inhabiting transformed biotopes (for example, the territories of former swamps that dried up quite a long time ago as a result of peat extraction).
About the female dumi-the female flies, although it is much less common on the flight than males. By the way: this year-right up to the last days of rain – I went to the Serpukhov district in search of dumi and haven't noticed a single copy yet. In general, I advise you to read about this type (I didn't come across anything more in Russian) in the book: Insects and mites – pests of agricultural crops. – Vol.III. Lepidoptera. - Part 2. - Executive editor V. I. Kuznetsov. Saint Petersburg: Nauka Publ., 1999, 408 p. (in Russian)

The taraxaci dates, I believe, may also not be limited to August in our band; for example, for Belarus there is generally an indication for both species for September-October (see Merzheevskaya, O. I.; Litvinova, A. N.; Molchanova R. V. Lepidoptera of Belarus (catalog). Minsk: Nauka i tekhnika Publ., 1976, p. 76): Lemonia taraxaci Esper – very rare in meadows. IX-X. Gus. IV-VI on dandelion; Lemonia dumi L.-very rare, in forest clearings. - IX-X. Gus. IV-VI on dandelion. Although in October, I personally never came across dumi in the Ministry of Defense, the latest ones are in mid-September.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 09/20/2009 04: 43

By the way, the gooseberry moth Abraxas grossulariata can be seen in the collections, which is oh so unusual for MO!

By the way, the gooseberry moth Abraxas grossulariata can be seen in the collections, which is oh so unusual for MO!

At the dacha, I catch it at home "regularly and with taste" - ex. 20 per night (in mid-June).

Well, no way!!!
I haven't met her at all yet

Aren't you confusing it with sylvata?

At the dacha, I catch it at home "regularly and with taste" - ex. 20 per night (in mid-June).

Pash, I will add: It is banal, but only local.

Well, no way!!!
I haven't met her at all yet

Aren't you confusing it with sylvata?

Yes, no. sylvata also flew in packs in my city this summer.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 25.09.2009 22: 39

Vasily, do you happen to have any old gardens there?

Vasily, do you happen to have any old gardens there?

Pash is Sergiev Posad district (grossulariata) - it is a very old country farm, and sylvata, really in the middle of the city I flew this summer. I attach evidence:

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Great, very great!
In general, it fits into a typical picture: a butterfly that was considered a malicious pest in the Moscow Region was able to survive in old currant and gooseberry plantings

Great, very great!
In general, it fits into a typical picture: a butterfly that was considered a malicious pest in the Moscow Region was able to survive in ancient currant and gooseberry plantings

Yes, here it is preserved. And thank God she's still flying.

By the way, the gooseberry moth Abraxas grossulariata can be seen in the collections, which is oh so unusual for MO!

I had it running for two or three days straight. Then, as cut off. Near the old gardens. (villages, dachas)

I had it running for two or three days straight. Then, as cut off. Near the old gardens. (villages, dachas)

So there it is necessary to catch it in the light. P.S. Occasionally I "shot" single copies (3 pcs.) in the city, in my entrance.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 24.09.2009 07: 37

By the way, the gooseberry moth Abraxas grossulariata can be seen in the collections, which is oh so unusual for MO!

In the 70s and early 80s of the last century, during field practice at the YarSU biological station in the Uglich district of the Yaroslavl region, it was like mud. And even now I can't say that it doesn't come across. This summer I watched it directly in Yaroslavl.

I will share my Ivanovo experience.Both the gooseberry moth (A. grossulariata) and the elm moth (A. sylvata) are quite common here (the latter,one might say,is even very common).But they are found in very different places.
A. grossulariata is quite common in vegetable gardens and orchards directly in the city.Quite often I caught them on my own site.Once on a black currant tree I found a caterpillar, which I successfully fed to a butterfly.But I have never seen this species outside the city limits.Moreover, I did not meet them in the village (Shuisky district, the village of Krasnoarmeyskoye), although their forage plants-gooseberries and currants - are plentiful there(there are a lot of bushes on each plot).
Abraxas sylvata,on the other hand,met only outside the city limits,most often in mixed forests,especially near bird cherry trees ( in such places I came across them in huge numbers,you can say, just flew in clouds).Many times I found their caterpillars on bird cherry trees.
PS And what do we have with L. dumi b L. taraxaci.?Has anyone caught them this year?

About L. dumi and L. taraxaci.Once, in a fairly deep childhood, I met a representative of one of these species (which one I don't know exactly,I only saw in flight,and I didn't really know how to determine the species then,but the fact is that one of these two.now I am more inclined to L. taraxaci).It was on the outskirts of Ivanov,in the vicinity of the village of Afanasovo,on the outskirts of an abandoned field(but not yet overgrown with birch overgrowth), near a forest (pine with a small number of birches).
Dandelions(about this was written earlier on the forum, so I report) there were quite a lot.
I tried to search in subsequent years in this place (and in other places,including in the village) for species of the genus Limonia, but the result was one-zero.Nothing.
That's why I ask other forum participants:what biotopes have you encountered these species in?This is very important for me to know, because maybe I didn't find anything,because I wasn't looking there.And next year I will organize new searches based on updated data.

About L. dumi and L. taraxaci.Once, in a fairly deep childhood, I met a representative of one of these species (which one I don't know exactly,I only saw in flight,and I didn't really know how to determine the species then,but the fact is that one of these two.now I am more inclined to L. taraxaci).It was on the outskirts of Ivanov,in the vicinity of the village of Afanasovo,on the outskirts of an abandoned field(but not yet overgrown with birch overgrowth), near a forest (pine with a small number of birches).
Dandelions(about this was written earlier on the forum, so I report) there were quite a lot.
I tried to search in subsequent years in this place (and in other places,including in the village) for species of the genus Limonia, but the result was one-zero.Nothing.
That's why I ask other forum participants:what biotopes have you encountered these species in?This is very important for me to know, because maybe I didn't find anything,because I wasn't looking there.And next year I will organize new searches based on updated data.

I have never caught them in the Moscow region. Do not hang your nose, everything is still possible.

I have never caught them in the Moscow region. Do not hang your nose, everything is still possible.

Thank you so much for your support.I didn't even think about hanging my nose. ,and in general, I look forward to the future with optimism.And as for these two species,there is nothing terrible here:I didn't catch them this year,I will catch them next year.I won't catch it next year (2010), I'll catch it in another next year(2011).And so on until I win, until I get copies of both of these types .I have enough patience.

This post was edited by TEMPUS - 24.09.2009 16: 10

I wonder when and where polyxena flies? And most importantly-what kind of biotopes it predicts

I wonder when and where polyxena flies? And most importantly-what kind of biotopes it predicts

Read "Fishing Reports", everything is there.

Gooseberry moth in the last 10 years, more than one per night I did not come across (although remembering my childhood, 20 years ago, there were a lot of them). Autumn silkworms this year I did not come across, because I was not at my dacha in mid-August. Last year I caught (dandelion, I didn't come across another one in the MO), about 8 years ago you could catch more than 10 pieces per night, now it's much more modest. Fires on the peat bog near the dacha have reduced the population. Moreover, it flies at night at the same time when the males of grass cocoonworms are still flying and try to distinguish in flight.

"Once, in a rather deep childhood, I met a representative of one of these species (which one I don't know exactly,I only saw in flight,and I didn't really know how to determine the species then,but the fact is that one of these two.now I am more inclined to L. taraxaci)."

If you met in September-October and during the day - then lettuce, but dandelion night, it was hardly possible to meet it during the day, and even if you saw something similar, you can only say that it was it with a HUGE degree of optimism. In August, there are enough species with which it can be confused in flight.

Please tell me about the summer points and time of summer Colias palaeno in the Leningrad region.
In addition to information about what to look for in wetlands (upper swamps) and where there are blueberries, I probably have no information. Maybe someone has points with mass summer?
They also suggested that males fly at the end of June, and females closer to the middle of July.
Tell me who knows more precisely and for sure, I really want to see and find it live...

Please tell me about the summer points and time of summer Colias palaeno in the Leningrad region.
In addition to information about what to look for in wetlands (upper swamps) and where there are blueberries, I probably have no information. Maybe someone has points with mass summer?
They also suggested that males fly at the end of June, and females closer to the middle of July.
Tell me who knows more precisely and for sure, I really want to see and find it live...

According to my observations, males fly south of St. Petersburg from 05 to 10 June, females a couple of days later. In the first days of July, there are almost no fresh ones.
On Karelian a little later, but still the main year in June.
They are more often found on the outskirts of swamps near specific thickets of wild rosemary and blueberries - in the "predbolotye". But it can also be found in open upper swamps and in pine forests. In recent years, the time of summer coincides with the time of hawthorn summer.
All over the region: Luga, Mga, Kirishi, Zelenogorsk, Sosnovy Bor, Vyritsa, Vyborg....
One of the typical views of the region. Mass summer was not observed!

Hello! I'm on the forum recently, I'm interested in what plants of the umbrella family are Papilio machaon caterpillars most often found?

I understand that in the Altai Territory, swallowtail caterpillars were recorded only on umbrella ones (Yu. P. Korshunov "Bulavous lepidoptera of Northern Asia"), or do I understand something wrong?

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Yes, at the moment I'm only interested in the Altai Territory.