Whose larvae are these?

wow! I've never heard that bree has to be with fly larvae... yes it shouldn't be: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%80%...81%D1%8B%D1%80)

in shopping-well done...

yes, indeed, maggots fly

no, I certainly do not doubt that the cheese should be without larvae, but the question is-the larvae of flies start in spoiled products, cheese with mold can be taken by them for spoiled-it means a decent food for the larvae or did the cheese deteriorate and then was occupied by flies?

It seems to me that you are unnecessarily complicating things... It is not so important whether the flies got there while it was still intact or already damaged (all this is at the discretion of the standards). The important thing is that brie should be sold WITHOUT FLIES.

This is not the way to put the question. But here's how: why was the product stored in unsanitary conditions, was overrun by flies that managed to lay their offspring on it? If you put a piece of fresh meat or fish in a sunny place in hot weather, then after a couple of hours you risk getting the same result. Although the meat may not have time to spoil.

As I understand the ecology and physiology of flies, they can eat both unspoiled cheese and already spoiled (where is the border, by the way?).

Temperature is also important. At low temperature (refrigerator, +4...5C, as is probably required for bri storage) flies will most likely not populate it and will not quickly develop into larvae. I.e. it was stored at too high a temperature.

yes, that's about this unreasonable complexity and serious fights broke out on the forum.
such a stupid question from the category "if you tear off the wings of a fly - will it feel pain?" and "why do flies fly around a light bulb?"
I claim there that flies do not lay eggs in or near fresh food there are opinions that the freshness of food does not matter to them...
that is, the cheese was in an open refrigerator-showcase, it seems that it could not spoil in it.... that is, the flies as a place for eggs should have ignored it...
like this...?

they can eat, but the larvae start up in spoiled products...

 
that is, the cheese was in an open refrigerator-showcase, it seems that it could not spoil in it.... that is, the flies as a place for eggs should have ignored it...
like this...?

question where and how was it stored before storefronts

what kind of forum? entomologists? or lawyers?

why is it "flies don't lay eggs in or near fresh produce" ? Even if the larvae of THIS SPECIES need the process of rotting the substrate, adult flies may well lay eggs in a fresh product, because if it is available to them,then it will soon begin to rot.

but in any case, this is secondary. Instead of CHEESE, the person bought CHEESE + FLIES. This is enough to sue, because flies should not be there and the product is therefore illiquid.

they can eat, but the larvae start up in spoiled products...

I doubt... in the laboratory where I worked, they bought liver for the flies and gave it to the flies right away.

start-up is when the female lays eggs and larvae hatch. Females will lay eggs in fresh food.

yes, there the woman herself is a lawyer, so she decided to sue...
and I came here to ask this question because there is a heated debate about the substrate for our domestic flies. fresh cheese with mold is suitable for them or not...
well, it's better to consult experts even in the most stupid questions...
I am an ignoramus in these matters, and that is why I ask you, Luminaries!

here it is the edge......
eggs will be laid... and the larvae will develop in a fresh product, in the refrigerator?...

in confidence to everyone, because that cheese is still sold in that store....
mag. Pere * krestok, president brie cheese with nuts...
well, so as not to run into accidentally... )

This post was edited by Verunia - 29.07.2009 14: 34

I absolutely confirm it! None of the cheese of European (senso lato) producers, and "brie", "Roquefort" (bleu) including larvae can not be! Any fly, even a cheese fly - from the evil one ! Satisfaction!

here it is the edge......
eggs will be laid... and the larvae will develop in a fresh product, in the refrigerator?...

fresh-yes, in the refrigerator-no. the issue here is temperature. there is such a thing as a"lower threshold of development". For flies (as an order), it is 7.8...9 C (according to various sources), i.e. there will be no larval development below this temperature.

thank you all very much - I'll go smart on my forum....
and answer the question
"But the question is purely theoretical. Maybe doctors know what will happen (or rather what can happen) if you eat such worms or their larvae?"

  
thank you all very much - I'll go smart on my forum....
and answer the question
"But the question is purely theoretical. Maybe doctors know what will happen (or rather what can happen) if you eat such worms or their larvae?"

From the larvae themselves, there is unlikely to be any harm (except psychological). But their presence on the substrate ( which was once a food product) is an indicator of its decomposition and the abundance of microflora, including with a high probability of pathogenic (it is the duty of the SES to identify it). It is clear that the maggots themselves can not boast of cleanliness. In general, when using this product, everything from food poisoning to various intestinal infections is guaranteed.

From the larvae themselves, there is unlikely to be any harm (except psychological). But their presence on the substrate ( which was once a food product) is an indicator of its decomposition and the abundance of microflora, including with a high probability of pathogenic (it is the duty of the SES to identify it). It is clear that the maggots themselves can not boast of cleanliness. In general, when using this product, everything from food poisoning to various intestinal infections is guaranteed.

Why would you do that? Maggots themselves are also useful, in particular, the method of treating purulent wounds with maggots has been known since ancient times. It was used, by the way, during the Second World War, and the wound healing process was significantly accelerated and gangrene did not occur. And they don't necessarily develop in damaged products. From personal experience, I can assure you that the eggs of the green carrion fly began to crawl (turned into larvae) before my eyes within 15 minutes, after catching the fish (flies lay eggs instantly). Where is it fresher? And fish with maggots in Astrakhan calmly put in the ear, not paying attention to Another issue that the waste products of maggots can cause rot. So, not all of them однозначно.
РЅ. But cheese with maggots is, of course, an outrage!

Why would you do that? Maggots themselves are also useful, in particular, the method of treating purulent wounds with maggots has been known since ancient times. It was used, by the way, during the Second World War, and the wound healing process was significantly accelerated and gangrene did not occur. And they don't necessarily develop in damaged products. From personal experience, I can assure you that the eggs of the green carrion fly began to crawl (turned into larvae) before my eyes within 15 minutes, after catching the fish (flies lay eggs instantly). Where is it fresher? And fish with maggots in Astrakhan calmly put in the ear, not paying attention to Another issue that the waste products of maggots can cause rot. So, not all of them однозначно.
РЅ. But cheese with maggots is, of course, an outrage!

It's only about cheese with fly larvae, and nothing else!

However, for external use and for oral use after prolonged boiling (and better yet pasteurization) cheese is really less dangerous

The best place for him is in the traps-gravediggers and staffs to lure.

This post was edited by Aaata - 29.07.2009 20: 18

Not, by the way, there is cheese that is specially infected with the larvae of the cheese fly-like so much tastier Another thing is that these larvae may well exist in the body for some time and can cause intestinal miases.

Not, by the way, there is cheese that is specially infected with the larvae of the cheese fly-like so much tastier Another thing is that these larvae may well exist in the body for some time and can cause intestinal miases.

The cheese you're talking about was made somewhere in the Mediterranean (like Italy). But there is a different cheese, and larvae of a special kind of flies. And, as far as I know, it was completely consumed by local "gourmets" and never exported anywhere before.

Well, yes, the Italians indulge in it. Flies are not very special (Piophila casei-it seems so called), and just very much can exist in the body.
But the fact that cheese with flies should NOT be sold here is not even discussed

Well, yes, the Italians indulge in it. Flies are not very special (Piophila casei-it seems so called), and just very much can exist in the body.
But the fact that cheese with flies should NOT be sold here is not even discussed

how interesting! I didn't know! Here's about them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese_fly

So maybe it was that kind of cheese??? pecorino cheese and casu marzu from Sardinia?

Here in Russian about strange cheeses with flies, ticks http://zateevo.ru/?section=page&action=edi...as=yadovity_syr

Have these extreme products really reached us?? If this is the case, then we should warn you... and explain how to eat such cheese and stay alive.

This post was edited by Aaata - 30.07.2009 17: 56

pecorino is in my refrigerator, and there are no flies there )) but maybe it's a pecorino adjusted for Bologna? (for reference - Sardinia is a very peculiar part of Italy, as I already understood) and ... not, I read further-in pecorino they add larvae to get a kazu-marza, which in translation and Italian is called rotten cheese, and here's what else:

but Bree isn't exactly on that list...

and we have entered