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08.03.2013 7:35, Rhabdophis

Dolerus

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08.03.2013 7:38, Rhabdophis

Argidae: the genus Arge

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08.03.2013 7:47, Rhabdophis

And finally, as a tip, dear forumchane, who collects sawflies, if you want your copies to be determined by someone someday, do not stick them on dies, this will only spoil them. Either prick, or glue one side to the triangle, because I "tore off" already enough material, which then is suitable only for the trash can...

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08.03.2013 10:41, алекс 2611

And finally, as a tip, dear forumchane, who collects sawflies, if you want your copies to be determined by someone someday, do not stick them on dies, this will only spoil them. Either prick, or glue one side to the triangle, because I "tore off" already enough material, which then is suitable only for the trash can...

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08.03.2013 10:47, Sancho

Surroundings of Kirovo-Chepetsk, Kirov region. May 30.
Here is another such freak with a non-spread wing.

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June 7.

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1. Coleocentrus soleatus (most likely).
2. Ichneumoninae (possibly Coelichneumon)

08.03.2013 11:06, Sancho

Help identify unfamiliar hymenoptera, all but Gasteruptiona and Sceliphrona

2 Cerceris large female, oak forest, 3 UKRAINE, Kharkiv reg., 1 km SSE from Staruy Saltov, right bank of the reservoir. 50° 3'57.86"N, 36°48'3.18"E

4UKRAINE, Kharkov reg.,Zmiev distr., right bank of the Seversky Donets River., Gineevka. 49°41'11.35"N, 36°25'30.79"E

Fly Merodon sp. on milkweed?
5UKRAINE, Donetsk reg., Krasnolimanskiy district., 3,5 km from Sosnovoe vill.env., 49° 5'46.13"N, 37°31'24.14"E



4. Metopius sp. (Ichneumonidae, Metopiinae)

08.03.2013 11:47, barry

1. 27.05.2009. Kharkiv, Forest Park.
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2. Kharkiv region, Chuguevsky district, Kitsevka, pisky
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3. 29.07.2009. Kharkiv region, Volchansk, Yefremivka (Okhrimivka), cretaceous mountains
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09.03.2013 15:38, akulich-sibiria

Bali Island Resort area. Maybe there will be something familiar
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13.03.2013 19:11, Кархарот

Bali Island Resort area. Maybe there will be something familiar

Delta sp. and Anthophora (??? venation is closed) sp., most likely. Or do you just want to?

13.03.2013 19:34, akulich-sibiria

Delta sp. and Anthophora (??? venation is closed) sp., most likely. Or do you just want to?


It seemed to me that the appearance of the os is quite unique. I was in a hurry. shuffle.gif . Yes, a little later I will show you in full, maybe some signs are more specific. Well, I would like to see it. There would be determinants for these places, I would try it myself. smile.gif

13.03.2013 20:42, алекс 2611

Bali Island Resort area. Maybe there will be something familiar
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Amegilla sp.?
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14.03.2013 21:23, Hierophis

Here we have such a dispute occurred, it was announced that such a wasp was discovered in Ukraine:
Katamenes dimidiatus
However, as it turned out later, the definition of a pre-species is allegedly doubtful. So I want to know how much "doubtful" this definition is, toset, do we have such a species as a stable population, or not?

15.03.2013 11:34, Кархарот

Here we have such a dispute occurred, it was announced that such a wasp was discovered in Ukraine:
Katamenes dimidiatus
However, as it turned out later, the definition of a pre-species is allegedly doubtful. So I want to know how much "doubtful" this definition is, toset, do we have such a species as a stable population, or not?

There's no doubt about it. In Ukraine, two species are reliably known (that is, I saw the material myself): K. flavigularis and K. dimidiatus. And we don't have the two types that are given in the green determinant.
It's just that there are no problems with the first species, and the second was described from the Crimea as K. tauricus, and then reduced to a synonym for the species K. sesquicinctus. The latter lives in the Far East. Then the name K. sesquicinctus was invalidated and this species was called K. tauricus. The Ukrainian K. tauricus actually has nothing in common with the Far Eastern one, and belongs to K. dimidiatus, although it differs somewhat in color, most likely it is a separate subspecies. The identification of this species as K. dimidiatus was confirmed by two European experts (Walter Borsato and Josef Gusenleitner). That is, it turns out that our K. tauricus is the Ukrainian K. dimidiatus, and the Far Eastern K. tauricus (formerly K. sesquicinctus) is a different species, for which you need to give a different name from its junior synonyms (which one, I haven't figured out yet).

15.03.2013 12:16, Hierophis

Carcharot, thank you, but the most important thing is the size of these wasps, here we have wasps about the size of polista, and nests like this
http://mail.izan.kiev.ua/vz-pdf/2009/4/05_...a,%20Ivanov.pdf
some are found in the beams on the rocks and under the ledges , but I am told that flavigularis only lives in the Crimea, and we can not be found, and that second species is just huge, but what kind, too, is not entirely clear.
By the way, why not specify the size of the wasp in the article in the introduction, well, there,.... K. flavigularis is a wasp with a size of 20mm... wink.gif

15.03.2013 13:06, Кархарот

Carcharot, thank you, but the most important thing is the size of these wasps, here we have wasps about the size of polista, and nests like this
http://mail.izan.kiev.ua/vz-pdf/2009/4/05_...a,%20Ivanov.pdf
some are found in the beams on the rocks and under the ledges , but I am told that flavigularis only lives in the Crimea, and we can not be found, and that second species is just huge, but what kind, too, is not entirely clear.
By the way, why not specify the size of the wasp in the article in the introduction, well, there,.... K. flavigularis is a wasp with a size of 20 mm... wink.gif

Where do you have it? Flavigularis is such a thing that it is not just in the Crimea, but only in the mountainous Crimea. In the rest of the territory (steppe Crimea, Donetsk region) - dimidiatus. And I didn't see the material from other places. Theoretically, of course, it is possible that there may be another type, but somehow I can't believe it.
They differ in color, and the sizes of both vary from the size of a large sheet to 1.5 times larger. Here, with two Polistes dominula and Euodynerus dantici, you can see K. flavigularis, and together with Tropidodynerus interruptus, you can see K. dimidiatus.
It somehow didn't occur to me to indicate the size of the wasp in the article. smile.gif Still, he described nesting (nothing has been published on this genus since Fabre's time).
There are also differences in the nests: dimidiatus does not have a common cover, although I saw few of its nests, maybe they were just unfinished. But my colleagues assure me that they have also never seen the general coverage.

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15.03.2013 13:43, Hierophis

I live in the south of the Mykolaiv region, I saw the jugs as separate, uncoated, very similar to those in the pictures. But the unusual OS is more similar to the one that I saw in the upper picture. Just recently, about two weeks ago, when crickets went to collect, I saw in the steppe on a stone, near rocky cliffs, such large pitchers, but I did not take a picture.
And I also remember, quite a long time ago, I found a stone with large pitchers on the coast of the World Cup in the Koblevo area, and brought it home, and then a friend also told me that interesting pitchers, not simple Eumenides. They were also uncovered.
In general, since this dimidiatus exists in the Donetsk region, it can be found everywhere in similar biotopes, I don't know about the mountain species, does it live only in the mountains throughout its range, or can it also be found in rocky scree? Judging by the ranges in the network, its range to the Caspian Sea can be traced, and in Greece there is.
And cryptoheiluses come across here, in general, it needs to be photographed, although it's very difficult to take a picture of a cryptoheilus, probably unrealistic)

15.03.2013 13:56, Кархарот

I don't know about the mountain species, does it live only in the mountains throughout its range, or can it also be found in rocky scree?

He even lives in semi-deserts, in the Fox Bay, but all this is within the mountainous Crimea, only slightly enters the plain in the foothills. Even on the Kerch Peninsula is not marked. I don't know about the whole range, I haven't been there. He doesn't need mountains, he needs rocks+water+pigeon caterpillars+flowers with nectar, to eat.
Apparently, they somehow "share the territory" with dimidiatus, who does not go into the mountains.
And that in the Nikolaev area - I do not know, it is necessary to take pictures and even better - to catch. And if you find a female building a nest, you can generally take a good series of pictures.

15.03.2013 14:01, Кархарот

cryptoheilus to take a picture is very difficult, probably unrealistic )

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15.03.2013 19:29, TimK

For Carcharot.
Can you tell me who it is in your photo?:

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15.03.2013 19:49, Hierophis

Carcharoth, my God!!! Exactly, very similar to those cryptoheiluses that I saw, but then they were running around like crazy, only their scarlet wings were visible, it was impossible to approach them! And a tarantula, like a whole L. praegrandis is going to feed its babies!!! We also have such tarantulas.. Oh, when it's already warm again!!!

TimK, so it's also signed Euodynerus dantici wink.gif

15.03.2013 20:01, TimK

  !

TimK, so it's also signed that it's Euodynerus dantici wink.gif


Precisely! The old one became. I don't see frown.gifanything

15.03.2013 21:15, Кархарот

2 Hierophis
Tarantula with a probability of 99.99% belongs to Geolycosa vultuosa (C. L. Koch, 1839) (determined by N. M. Kovblyuk, a well-known expert on spiders).

2 TimK
If you suddenly (you never know) are going to put this Euodynerus dantici on the site, then wait a bit, I'll still send you a better photo (next week, I hope), here was just a demonstration photo to compare the size of the os.
Kryptohilov, if you want, you can take them, just to trim them a little (well, sign who the author of the photo is).

15.03.2013 22:14, Hierophis

Yes, I was wrong, after all, pregrandis looks different in general, especially the cephalothorax

http://www.pavouci-cz.eu/Data/Lycosa%20pra...ndis_110710.jpg

Yes, and when determining probably anatomorphological features were taken into account. But we also have a vultuosa, so the cryptoheiluses will not be lost..

15.03.2013 22:26, TimK

  
2 TimK
If you suddenly (you never know) are going to put this Euodynerus dantici on the site, then wait a bit, I'll still send you a better photo (next week, I hope), here was just a demonstration photo to compare the size of the os.
Kryptohilov, if you want, you can take them, just to trim them a little (well, sign who the author of the photo is).


I will be glad to see any high-quality photos of wasps of the species that LIVE IN RUSSIA. Even if I already have photos of them, I make additional pages and post them there. Of course, the author's name under the photo (or copyright with the name on the photo) and thank you on the first page of my site with a link to your page on the Internet. In the future, I plan to replace all photos taken from the Internet with photos taken by me or my friends. I will be happy to post your story about the wasp (or wasps) with photos in the "stories" section or on the description page.
According to statistics, my site is currently visited by about 100 people a day. About 20 for the first time and about 80 repeatedly. Not much, but what we have...

17.03.2013 9:54, barry

Crimea, 29.07.2012
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17.03.2013 10:37, akulich-sibiria

South of the Krasnoyarsk Territory. Forest clearing, mowing. 4.5-5 mm. From the Nysson family. Platypus without spines, rounded, with a slightly prominent apical part. Us. All black. The midrib is black, without yellow spots, the dotted line is clear and quite thick in large spots, perhaps there are smaller ones among them. The gap. a segment with rather rare silvery hairs that do not hide the segment's sculpture. The 1st tergite with fairly clear points is shagrenite, the 2nd tergite is also shagrenite, but the points are faintly visible. One specimen has light transversely elongated spots only on the 2nd, the other also has small rounded spots on the 1st. 2nd sternite with a bump, it seems to be more rounded than angular, although it looks like trimaculatus. The medial vein of the hindwings extends near the end of the anal cell. Unfortunately, I can't see the occipital keel. If we assume that it is, then I go to Nysson tridentata, if it is not, then it looks like a female mimulus. But the latter seems to be indicated only for the Leningrad region, while tridentate is marked only for the Altai.
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19.03.2013 11:30, Кархарот

Crimea, 29.07.2012

Eumenes coronatus or E. papillarius. For an accurate definition, it would be necessary to see the pubescence of the second sternite. Although E. coronatus is more likely.
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20.03.2013 16:47, TimK

For AVA.
Good afternoon!
I dealt with Dolichovespula norwegica and Dolichovespula saxonica
, but with the species Dolichovespula adulterina there was a hitch.
I can't understand why you think that this photo is not adulterina?
I don't see anything that doesn't fit the description of this species.

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20.03.2013 18:21, Кархарот

Can you tell me if I don't understand the males, Sphex rufocinctus or S. flavipennis?

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20.03.2013 18:38, AVA

Can you tell me if I don't understand the males, Sphex rufocinctus or S. flavipennis?


Both females and males of S. flavipennis Fabricius, 1793 are distinguished by a strong yellow tint of the wings.

Sphex rufocinctus Brullé, 1833 is a junior synonym for Sphex funerarius Gussakovskij, 1934.

Actually, the second species is better known as "S. maxillosus", but with the history of this name, this is a topic that goes beyond the" format " of this forum (as the moderator explained to me).

P.S. Sorry, I forgot about the main thing. Pictured is a male Sphex funerarius Gussakovskij, 1934.

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20.03.2013 19:01, Кархарот

Sphex rufocinctus Brullé, 1833 is a junior synonym for Sphex funerarius Gussakovskij, 1934.

Thanks for the definition!
And I was stuck with something, I just wanted to write S. funerarius, and wrote S. rufocinctus!

20.03.2013 22:32, алекс 2611

  

Actually, the second species is better known as "S. maxillosus", but with the history of this name, this is a topic that goes beyond the" format " of this forum (as the moderator explained to me).

I'd like to hear this story...Can we persuade the moderator?

21.03.2013 9:43, AVA

I'd like to hear this story...Can we persuade the moderator?


You can do without persuasion. Take a look here:

MENKE, A.S., and W.J. PULAWSKI
2000 (27 Oct.). A review of the Sphex flavipennis species group (Hymenoptera: Apoidea: Sphecidae: Sphecini). Journal of Hymenoptera Research, 9 (2): 324-346.
http://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/2858391
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http://www.archive.org/details/journalofhymenop09inte

21.03.2013 9:56, алекс 2611

You can do without persuasion. Take a look here:

MENKE, A.S., and W.J. PULAWSKI
2000 (27 Oct.). A review of the Sphex flavipennis species group (Hymenoptera: Apoidea: Sphecidae: Sphecini). Journal of Hymenoptera Research, 9 (2): 324-346.
http://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/2858391
or
http://www.archive.org/details/journalofhymenop09inte

Thank you for downloading the work. I'll read it tonight.

21.03.2013 10:16, AVA

For AVA.
Good afternoon!
I dealt with Dolichovespula norwegica and Dolichovespula saxonica
, but with the species Dolichovespula adulterina there was a hitch.
I can't understand why you think that this photo is not adulterina?
I don't see anything that doesn't fit the description of this species.


I very much doubt that you have "figured out" D. saxonica.

As for this particular image, it was taken by Tom Murray (Pittsburg, NH, USA), D. adulterina is simply not found in North America.

P.S. Learn the match part... umnik.gif

21.03.2013 12:20, TimK

I very much doubt that you have "figured out" D. saxonica.

As for this particular image, it was taken by Tom Murray (Pittsburg, NH, USA), D. adulterina is simply not found in North America.

P.S. Learn the matcha part... umnik.gif


I found out why you said that the photo shows different views, but I haven't replaced the photos yet.
And about the matchup...
I was just looking at one of the other qualifiers, a Canadian one. So it says that " This is the only one of the obligate social parasites (no caste) of the genus Dolichovespula in North America."
Who should I trust?
See for yourself:
http://www.biology.ualberta.ca/bsc/ejourna...adulterina.html

21.03.2013 12:55, AVA

I found out why you said that the photo shows different views, but I haven't replaced the photos yet.
And about the matchup...
I was just looking at one of the other qualifiers, a Canadian one. So it says that " This is the only one of the obligate social parasites (no caste) of the genus Dolichovespula in North America."
Who should I trust?
See for yourself:
http://www.biology.ualberta.ca/bsc/ejourna...adulterina.html


I know this site. Its creators are also known, but the discussion of personalities goes beyond the format of this forum.
Therefore, I can only say that this site is outdated in 2008. Of the species listed in it, two, including D. adulterina, are listed incorrectly. In addition, another view is missing.

21.03.2013 14:12, TimK

I know this site. Its creators are also known, but the discussion of personalities goes beyond the format of this forum.
Therefore, I can only say that this site is outdated in 2008. Of the species listed in it, two, including D. adulterina, are listed incorrectly. In addition, another view is missing.


And could you clarify where exactly it is written that D. adulterina American and our belong to different species. I only found a suggestion (The Vespinae of North America (Vespidae, Hymenoptera) Lynn S. Kimsey, James M. Carpenter 2012) that these are PROBABLY different species, since they parasitize different species.

21.03.2013 14:21, AVA

And could you clarify where exactly it is written that D. adulterina American and our belong to different species. I only found a suggestion (The Vespinae of North America (Vespidae, Hymenoptera) Lynn S. Kimsey, James M. Carpenter 2012) that these are PROBABLY different species, since they parasitize different species.


Have you not yet realized that we are not interlocutors, but competitors? Why should I reveal my cards before the results of my research are published?
If you want to create your own website, then do it yourself. I even removed all my comments from the forum dedicated to discussing it.
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21.03.2013 14:43, TimK

Have you not yet realized that we are not interlocutors, but competitors? Why should I reveal my cards before the results of my research are published?
If you want to create your own website, then do it yourself. I even removed all my comments from the forum dedicated to discussing it.


NOW I see. That explains a lot. Thank you so much! The fact that YOU consider me and my site to be able to compete with you is the highest praise for me! This is despite the fact that a couple of months ago I could not even distinguish a male polist from a female.... Apparently, I really learn fast! And their comments were removed in vain. I immediately copy all comments to a word file, store them, and gradually correct them. wink.gif

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