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31.10.2011 11:50, gumenuk

More pililshchik
Moscow region, Ramenskiyts district, Khripan, glade under the power line
Date in the file name

Thank you - dispelled my doubts

31.10.2011 11:52, gumenuk

Wasp-shaped sawfly ?
Moscow region, Ramenskiy district, Khripan, glade under power lines, about 10 mm.
Date in the file name.

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31.10.2011 12:23, Liparus

Don't be surprised by Cimbex femoratus, only female wink.gif

Please tell me who it is:
http://barry.fotopage.ru/gallery/show_imag...p?imageid=18974

Neudevlyusya if also a female Cimbex femoratus
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01.11.2011 0:09, John-ST

Don't be surprised by Cimbex femoratus, only female wink.gif

Can't it be Trichiosoma?
Clippings with a tight white membrane, clearly visible in the previous photo, are invisibleconfused.gif, and the belly seems to me too hairy
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01.11.2011 1:56, Guest

Can't it be Trichiosoma?
The clippings are covered with a white membrane, clearly visible in the previous photo, invisibleconfused.gif, and the belly seems to me too hairy


Of course, this is Trichiosoma.
OEV, you are so peremptory in your verdicts that you can't help but give the impression that you are an expert on this group. But this is not so.
And how can you be so sure that Cimbex is femorata ? If I were you, I would be wary of making such statements without sufficient justification.
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01.11.2011 8:32, OEV

More pililshchik
Moscow region, Ramenskiyts district, Khripan, glade under the power line
Date in the file name


Dear comrade gumenuk, I apologize for the hastily incorrect "definition" wall.gifof Really a sawfly from Trichiosoma shuffle.gif
PS: to the above said answer. Thanks for fixing it again. All I'm writing is assumptions (possibly erroneous) two.

01.11.2011 8:43, gumenuk

Wasp-shaped sawfly ?
Moscow region, Ramenskiy district, Khripan, glade under power lines, about 10 mm.
Date in the file name.

Upper - Clover tenthredo (Tenthredo schaefferi)?
And the lower one?

01.11.2011 8:48, gumenuk

Dear comrade gumenuk, I apologize for the hastily incorrect "definition" wall.gifof Really a sawfly from Trichiosoma shuffle.gif
PS: to the above said answer. Thanks for fixing it again. All I'm writing is assumptions (possibly erroneous) two.

No big deal - after all, the truth had been established. It's worse when they don't respond to the image at all. smile.gif
I'm trying to double-check all the assumptions. And if someone is wrong, then I am still grateful to the person who answered, since often even by assumption it is possible to get to the truth.
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01.11.2011 8:55, John-ST

Upper - Clover tenthredo (Tenthredo schaefferi)?
And the lower one?

Clover tentredo-mdya, an enchanting name, if you really want to use Russian names, then follow the elementary logic:
if Tenthredinidae = true sawflies, then Tenthredo = sawfly (well, or a real sawfly).
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01.11.2011 8:57, John-ST

A hundred bumblebees?

well, yes, and what is surprising here, bumblebees are also bees, only fat
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01.11.2011 8:58, OEV

Upper - Clover tenthredo (Tenthredo schaefferi)?
And the lower one?


It seems to me that the same ge

01.11.2011 9:07, gumenuk

I think they both have the same image

On Tenthredo schaefferi, I came out checking your answer about Birch cimbex, So errors sometimes benefit smile.gif

01.11.2011 9:09, gumenuk

well, yes, and what is surprising here, bumblebees are also bees, only fat

I can distinguish them that way, but sometimes I also want to determine the view, at least of what is in the image next to the honeycomb smile.gif

01.11.2011 9:19, gumenuk

the sawyer ?
Moscow region, Ramenskiy district, Khripan, glade under power lines, about 10 mm.
Date in the file name.

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01.11.2011 9:42, John-ST

I can tell them apart, but sometimes I also want to determine the view, at least of what is in the image next to the honeycomb smile.gif

Bumblebees from the photo, almost impossible.
Apparently, someone has ruined the bumblebee nest, next time take such combs with you. There is a fairly high probability that some bumblebee parasites can hatch, get valuable experience and possibly a valuable frame. Bumblebees do not build nests themselves, but most often occupy the nests of mice and birds, so a ruined nest is almost one hundred percent likely to die, they will not be able to hide the honeycombs from external influences and they will die at least from dehydration or vice versa from dampness.
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01.11.2011 10:05, John-ST

Dear comrade gumenuk, I apologize for the hastily incorrect "definition" wall.gifof Really a sawfly from Trichiosoma shuffle.gif
PS: to the above said answer. Thanks for fixing it again. All I'm writing is assumptions (possibly erroneous) two.

"All I write is speculation (possibly erroneous)"
At the same time, you make them out as true statements, which mislead others.

01.11.2011 10:56, gumenuk

"All I write is speculation (possibly erroneous)"
At the same time, you make them out as true statements, which mislead others.

Why did you decide that? I try to double-check any definition, and it is not necessary that I agree with the proposed definition (regardless of what was written: probably, presumably, or exactly). Final definition (sometimes with reference to possible inaccuracies) I write in the file name and description of the file being placed in MY archive. Of course, mistakes are possible, but I try to mimic them.

01.11.2011 11:01, John-ST

Upper - Clover tenthredo (Tenthredo schaefferi)?
And the lower one?

Most likely, both photos show the same species of the genus Tenthredo, I can't say which one.
Regarding Tenthredo schaefferi: according to the" green "Tenthredo schaefferi is a synonym for Tenthredo arcuata, but there is also a reference that usually the species Tenthredo arcuata is divided into several species, for the ECR of the USSR it is Tenthredo schaefferi, T. notha (perkinsi) and T. arcuata; according to the "fauna" these are three separate species, as they differ in different species. I don't have any information, all these species eat clover.
In general, the membranes are a rather muddy group, so it is impossible to determine the majority of this genus from a photo, especially from one angle frown.gif, so accept it.
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01.11.2011 11:25, gumenuk

Most likely, both photos show the same species of the genus Tenthredo, I can't say which one.
Regarding Tenthredo schaefferi: according to the" green "Tenthredo schaefferi is a synonym for Tenthredo arcuata, but there is also a reference that usually the species Tenthredo arcuata is divided into several species, for the ECR of the USSR it is Tenthredo schaefferi, T. notha (perkinsi) and T. arcuata; according to the "fauna" these are three separate species, as they differ in different species. I don't have any information, all these species eat clover.
In general, the membranes are a rather muddy group, so it is impossible to determine the majority of this genus from a photo, especially from one angle frown.gif, so accept it.

I've been resigned for a long time frown.gif
I have about 800 pictures of sawflies, and only 200 pieces that are more or less accurately defined (up to the genus and deeper) weep.gifare difficult to identify both larvae and adult insects.

01.11.2011 11:45, John-ST

I try to double-check any definition

How, if the images are in the Net, then this is complete nonsense. So, probably, you can detect an error only if you are poked at the white house by an admiral (I'm exaggerating a little, of course). Many insects cannot be identified from photos in nature, not only because many species are similar, but also because the available images simply do not show any systematic features.

01.11.2011 11:53, gumenuk

How, if the images are in the Net, then this is complete nonsense. So, probably, you can detect an error only if you are poked at the white house by an admiral (I'm exaggerating a little, of course). Many insects cannot be identified from photos in nature, not only because many species are similar, but also because the available images simply do not show any systematic features.

I act within the limits of what is possible and acceptable smile.gif

01.11.2011 17:01, OEV

"All I write is speculation (possibly erroneous)"
At the same time, you make them out as true statements, which mislead others.


Dear John-ST, what makes YOU think that I am CLAIMING, and even TRUEeek.gif, and how do you formalize assumptions? Kytai eroglyphs tongue.gif

02.11.2011 1:03, John-ST

Dear John-ST, what makes YOU think that I am CLAIMING, and even TRUEeek.gif, and how do you formalize assumptions? Kytay eroglyphs tongue.gif

If I am sure that it is Cimbex, I write that it is cimbex and I can always explain why I made this conclusion. If I'm not sure, then I write: "maybe cymbals" or "I think it's cymbals", and I can also explain why I assume it's cymbals and why I'm not sure it's him, and I don't excuse myself that " all I write is assumptions (possibly erroneous)", why then write at all. Still on the forum we are trying to determine the animal, and from not to participate in a mug of divination on coffee grounds.

03.11.2011 0:12, Кархарот

I apologize in advance, as I'm new to this forum. I can skip it if someone has already answered.
This is Symmorphus I'm leaning towards crassicornis female, though as a variant of murarius (nothing to compare the pits behind the ocelli with). 15-16 mm. Indeed, a longitudinal depression is visible on the first tergite. Behind the eyes are depressions with hairs. The top of the chest is covered with long hairs, just like on the head. The parietal fossa is located close to each other. The sides will break. segments in irregular folds, some raised. The lower legs are mostly yellow. 1st tergite in rough, rather thick dotted line. On the top of 2-3 tergites, the points are rougher than on the rest. There is a roller on the fold of the first tergite, but it doesn't really stand out all the way. There are no yellow spots on the chest, only on the pronotum. The handle of the mustache is yellow-red at the bottom.
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This is clearly Symmorphus murarius.
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03.11.2011 0:19, Кархарот

Please help me determine the type.
Thank you in advance!

Delta sp.
Body length-26 mm.
20. VIII. 2011

S Ukraine, CRIMEA A.R.,Sakskiy distr., 17 km W from Eupatoria, outsk. of Vitino vill.Leg. Shehovcov A. A. (Sea coast)


It is neither Delta, nor Katamenes arbustorum, nor Katamenes flavigularis.
This species is still called Katamenes tauricus de Saussure, but it is necessary to take into account the unresolved taxonomic problems between this species, which is actually absent in the Crimea (i.e., in the type locality). taxon, and the species Katamenes dimidiatus that actually lives there.

03.11.2011 18:15, gstalker

Wasps from Germany

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03.11.2011 22:28, Кархарот

Something from Ancistrocerus, I think it is ichneumonideus male, although possibly trifasciatus.
Propodeum leathery, slaboblestyaschiy.9-10 mm. . The 2nd sternite is uniformly convex.The ridges on the basal transverse sulcus are longer in the center than on the sides. The back of the box has no yellow pattern. There are 3 yellow bandages on the abdomen. The bottom of the main part of the mustache is brown. On the ext.on the side of the eyes along the yellow stroke, not reaching the eye socket. It is difficult to understand, the ratio of length and width of the architrave seems square. The dots are quite large, but not deep. Zhg. sawyere from the bottom is almost completely red, darkened in the middle.
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Very similar to trifasciatus, but still it would not hurt to take a photo of the head "en face" for confirmation.
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03.11.2011 22:35, Кархарот

According to the DV determinant, I go to the female Ancistrocerus parietinus.. 10-11 mm. The 2nd sternite is uniformly convex. The color of the legs is rusty-red. The flagellum of the mustache is rusty-red on the lower segments and upper 3 parts, the middle parts seem to be completely black. On the tergites there are 4 bandages, on the 5th tergite there is a yellow spot in the middle of the apex, on the last tergite there are also small two spots. On the head there are rather long hairs, the first tergite with raised hairs. At the inner edge of the eyes, there is a single red spot on the platypus.
The platypus is quite wide, tapering to the top, not elongated. Full yellow baldric on the second sternum and with a thin strip on the 3rd with extensions on the sides. The middle and hind legs are light. On the shield and on the sides of the chest there is a small yellow-red spot.
although possible ichneumonides or trifasciatus.... confused.gif

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Most likely A. parietinus, although it is difficult to tell exactly from the photo.

03.11.2011 22:37, Кархарот

And me, and me... also (tell me PLZ) Ancistrocerus'a ("2nd terg. br. at the base with mn. short longitudinal ribs forming a series of closed yaks.").
N-sk, 17.08.10.

This is the genus Symmorphus. The view is not familiar to me, but there is nothing to compare it with right now.
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03.11.2011 22:38, Кархарот

24. July. The outskirts of Kharkiv, the edge of a pine forest.
[b]What do the specialists say? / b]

Isn't that Scolia dejeani [sensu Steinberg]?

03.11.2011 22:39, Кархарот

1st - Saratov region, pos. Forest, I assume that Ancistrocerus ?
2nd-Saratov region, Burkin Buerak village, a huge thing, probably 20 mm at least, no idea even what family confused.gif

The first is Euodynerus dantici.

03.11.2011 22:47, Кархарот

Help identify the bees.
S UKRAINE,
A.R.Crimea.,
Simpheropol.,
Distr.Uralskaja street.
Shehovcov A. & Shaporinskiy V.
17.VIII.2011

The first one has only two options: Anthidium manicatum (if the clypeus has a black spot) Anthidium florentinum (if the clypeus is yellow).
On the second bottom is a male Dasypoda, most likely D. spinigera, based on size, and a female Megachile: either maritima or lagopoda.

03.11.2011 22:48, Кархарот

Thank you. What do you think about this Anthidium?
16-20.VIII.2011
S Ukraine,
CRIMEA A.R.,
Sakskiy distr.,
17 km W from Eupatoria,
outsk. of Vitino vill.(Sea coast)

Yes, Anthidium diadema. A new location in Crimea, by the way.

03.11.2011 22:55, Кархарот

These are the eardrums

19.09.2011
Moscow region, Zheleznodorozhny

On goldenrod:

Like female Philanthus triangulum
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Is this a male Philanthus triangulum?
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Together for comparison
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Here is such a beast, also on goldenrod
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And bee on aster
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Aster bee - from the genus Amegilla.

04.11.2011 0:07, Кархарот

But that's just the way it is - all bees are in the same family Apidae. All old families, subfamilies, and tribes are downgraded by one rank. Take a close look at the most recent work:

Melo G.A.R., R.B. Gonçalves
2005. Higher-level bee classifications (Hymenoptera,Apoidea,Apidae sensu lato). Revista Brasileira de Zoologia, 22 (1): 153–159.
http://www.scielo.br/pdf/rbzool/v22n1/a17v22n1.pdf

I know Gabriel de Melo personally - he is a very serious morphologist and taxonomist, who will not just lay out anything without justification.
But, for obvious reasons, many apidologists are guided not by some cladistic calculations of an unknown Brazilian, but by the opinion of their master - Charles Michener and his system of 2000. What they don't know is that Gabriel did his dissertation at Lawrence under the same C. Michener.
But everything flows - everything changes. Here sphecidologists quite calmly accepted the division of "their" family already into 4 independent ones, so it will be apidologists ' turn. By and large, all bees are the same crabronids, but just with vegetarian children. umnik.gif


There is also Engel's system, discussed in an article of the same year - http://digitallibrary.amnh.org/dspace/bits....pdf?sequence=1

But both systems do not take into account the paraphyly of melittids. http://www.pnas.org/content/103/41/15118.full.pdf+html
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04.11.2011 0:10, Кархарот

Wasps from Germany

Not wasps. The first one is a sawfly, I think from the family. Tenthredinidae.
The second is a bee of the genus Sphecodes from the family. Halictidae.

04.11.2011 0:38, Кархарот

The very first wasp on the upper left is most likely from the genus Rhynchium. Zoom in, - one could say for sure.

04.11.2011 9:40, akulich-sibiria

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04.11.2011 10:52, akulich-sibiria

Once I laid out the female Ancistrocerus parietinus L , so it seems to me just her male, was caught approximately in the same place. South of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, Minusinsk.
About 8 mm. The whisker is yellow at the bottom, with yellow spots on the scutellum, tegulae, and posterior scutellum. The 2nd sternite is almost flat, not concave, on top with a yellow sling, on the 3rd sternite there is also a thin sling. There are 5 bandages on the tergites and a yellow spot on the 6th tergite.
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04.11.2011 12:11, Кархарот

More suitable for Coelioxys brevis Eversm male. Caught in the south of the Krasnoyarsk Territory. Minusinsk, Lysukha, sandy slope. 7-8 mm. On the body there are also scales in addition to hairs. Front basins without a spike. 4th sternite of the abdomen without a notch on the top. Question on the color of thorns on the 6th tergite, in general they look black. Flagellum of antennae from the second member. brown from the bottom. The mandibles are brown in the middle. The front of the face is covered with rather thick white hairs. Scales at the lower edge of the eyes with a shiny platform, in front of which is an elevation, in the form of a small clear ridge. On the 6th tergite of white scales at the base there are two white spots, interrupted in the middle.
8 thorns on the 6th tergite, and two on each side on the 5th tergite.
Bandages of white scales on tergites in one row, but sometimes small scales are wedged there, I do not form a complete second row. This is possible ruficaudata...
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I think it really is Coelioxys brevis.

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