Identification of Orthoptera (grasshoppers, crickets, etc.)

The first one may be some kind of Platycleis affinis, but I'm not sure.

And no one knows my watermen?

I'm a noob in the locusts. Especially in tetrixes.

This post was edited by DanMar - 05/22/2012 14: 34

...Especially in tetrixes.

That's something...

South of the Orenburg region, near the village. Troitsk, 19.05.2012. Copies are collected.

Is there really a glyphonotus? Or something from this tribe?
You see, there is something like this in Russia!

This post was edited by DanMar - 03.09.2015 18: 49

This is amazing!!! botanque, if I were you, I would already be preparing an article - a new species, genus and subfamily for the fauna of Russia.
Based on the photo, this may be a species from the Glyphonotus thoracicus group, but for accurate determination, photos of the end of the abdomen are needed from above and below.
But ten days ago, we only discussed the possibility of finding glyphonotus in Russia in the topic about straight-winged birds in the CC...

This post was edited by Dracus - 27.05.2012 22: 34

Honestly, I didn't expect that such an interesting find If it weren't for Andrey Shapovalov, I wouldn't have paid much attention to the blacksmith, because I don't understand much about them. The pickled copies are kept by Andrey. I'll ask you to take the necessary photos or send the grasshoppers themselves for identification. Hopefully not the only surprise of this hot year.

This post was edited by botanque - 05/27/2012 22: 57

In general, it is strange that such a new find is straight, based on this map

http://orthoptera.speciesfile.org/Common/e...axonNameID=1419

I understand that the map from the Russian side repeats the borders of Kazakhstan, and the administrative borders as the borders of areas-always look suspicious )))

Hierophis

oh, believe me, area maps on OSF, especially for the former USSR-this is such a lol that Even in Kazakhstan, as far as I know, glyphonotus finds tend to the south.

I would like to see live animals from this tribe, I thought in the future to go even to the south, but here it turns out that you can find such animals in Russia, where it's not so difficult to get!

Dracus, I'm just saying that it's unlikely that this is due to the so-called global warming, or any other reasons why this species suddenly appeared there.

It seems to me that everything is not so simple here, as well as with mantises that have been found north of their range, too. In my opinion, these are not natives of the south, but an expansion of the population in the already nearby foci, because such species do not seem to be characterized by long-distance migration, they should move at the expense of surviving offspring at the edge of the range, and this is a long process in theory... Here, a comparative analysis of the indigenous population and the individuals found would probably help, a genetic one, ideally, can we determine how long the migration took?

Here is the correct link to the map, otherwise I edited it and lost it
http://orthoptera.speciesfile.org/Common/e...axonNameID=1419

Dracus, I'm just saying that it's unlikely that this is due to the so-called global warming, or any other reasons why this species suddenly appeared there.

I'm not saying that he appeared there suddenly, the area is not so much explored in terms of straight-winged animals. It may well be a local refugium. On the other hand...

By the way, I wonder what the phenology of glyphonotus is - do they overwinter with larvae? In principle, this is not the first case of unexpected and new finds of straight-winged birds that occur during the collection of "wrong season". I remember that some long - standing works on the biology of Central Asian glyphonotus were published-either by Pravdin, or by Miram, or both.

Honestly, I didn't expect that such an interesting find If it weren't for Andrey Shapovalov, I wouldn't have paid much attention to the blacksmith, because I don't understand much about them. The pickled copies are kept by Andrey. I'll ask you to take the necessary photos or send the grasshoppers themselves for identification. Hopefully not the only surprise of this hot year.

It's nice, damn it, that we thought to grab these copies))) the fact that the thing is very peculiar was immediately clear, and for the Orenburg region nothing like this is known, but what is new for Russia, I certainly did not expect there is the Lower Volga region, it is strange that such animals were not found there...
Photos of the end of the abdomen how large do you need? I'll try to do it before the next departure by the end of the week.

the vicinity of Troitsk is generally a very peculiar place with chalk outcrops and very southern fauna and flora. these grasshoppers were found on the slopes of chalk hills in the thickets of the Cossack cornflower.

the vicinity of Troitsk is generally a very peculiar place with chalk outcrops and very southern fauna and flora. these grasshoppers were found on the slopes of chalk hills in the thickets of the Cossack cornflower.

Here it is somewhere around here

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Photos of the end of the abdomen how large do you need? I'll get it done before the next departure by the end of the week.

Thanks! The bigger the better. The main thing is that the last sternite and the genital plate are visible from below, and the anal plate and cerci are visible from above (they should be separated as widely as possible so that the anal plate does not cover them).

Dracus, well, yes, with a tendency to migrate, even snails settle quickly, although for flightless animals, many barriers become a problem.
After all, the character of migrations for a particular species is also just as important in general: individuals can fly well, but they may not be inclined to migrate.

I didn't know about the fact that mantises lived to the north 200 years ago, it's interesting, but again, it can also speak in favor of the preserved populations.
After all, the nature of the findings does not axiomatically prove exactly the distribution of the species from south to north, it is possible that some micropopulations were preserved, the number and vastness of which decreased from south to north, these populations were small, so while the general conditions for the species were negative, the species was not registered in the vicinity of these populations, and as soon as conditions improved, the population began to grow, and finds became more frequent.
That is, it's just a guess, I hope I made it clear

So with this species(glyphonotus), I made the assumption that this is something more than just its appearance in recent times, and you even more boldly voiced this assumption - that it may even be a new species, or subspecies.
Therefore, it would be interesting to study this find in detail by specialists

By the way, in passing I will tell and here - at us in the south of the Nikolaev area improbable flash of number of a dybka is observed. There are very, very many of them. I mean, if this is the case everywhere, then it's a good time to search for dybok and for new finds.

So make up lists for the Red Book of the Russian Federation after this, because it would clearly be necessary to drive this glyphonotus straight there. The Glyphonotini tribe is generally very obscure from the point of view of taxonomy and (if my memory serves me correctly) was considered strictly Central Asian until now.

I looked somewhere, the tribe Glyphonotini is generally classified as a subfamily (Glyphonotinae Tarbinsky 1932). They also write this: "In Glyphonotinae, they find similarities with both Saginae and Conocephalinae...".


This post was edited by DanMar - 05/29/2012 12: 33

Well, one of the photos shows an explicit datonymph. So, apparently, larvae can also spend the winter, but as for the imago, this is still a question for this find: the second grasshopper could have had time to shed on the imago in the spring.

I haven't taken any photos yet, but I have some questions.
Does anyone have data on Glyphonotus finds closest to Russia or articles on this genus?
Glyphonotinae, apparently, is a fairly designated subfamily?
I have 2 larvae (male and female) and two imagos (male and female) of this animal. The imago and larvae are almost the same size, and no doubt the imago was molted recently. I don't really believe in the settlement - they probably always lived there (within reasonable limits, of course). Perhaps in a week or a week and a half I will have the opportunity to go to the same place again. What is the best way to save instances? Also pickle it, or put it on cotton wool? Do I need to gut and stuff?

PVOzerski, you think that if we are talking about the north of Russia, the fact that there are already imagos at the moment does not mean that the larvae winter, it is already quite warm in the climate, and even this year it is abnormally warm from mid-spring.

As for the preservation, I think only alcoholization is suitable, not for nothing grasshoppers "for glamor" are not collected, they dry out in a special way-they become super-brittle, turn black, and shrivel. Maybe there are some plasticizers, of course..

PVOzerski, you think that if we are talking about the north of Russia, the fact that there are already imagos at the moment does not mean that the larvae hibernate, it is already quite warm in the climate, and even this year it is abnormally warm from mid-spring.

indeed, we now have tettigonia in about the same state. With this spring, you don't even understand whether it was spring this year, in addition, in Troitsk, according to phenology, it's already quite summer - cornflowers from the Centaurea ruthenica group are blooming, and for example, last year in the northern part of the Orenburg region, they bloomed no earlier than June 15-20, i.e. a month later!

As for the preservation, I think only alcoholization is suitable, not for nothing grasshoppers "for glamor" are not collected, they dry out in a special way-they become super-brittle, turn black, and shrivel. Maybe there are some plasticizers, of course..

mda, well, then I will spiritualize you that...

Cerambyx, and you will bring them alive

As for the phenology, everything also shifted by about a month, the amounts of eff. temperatures were accumulated very quickly, the linden tree bloomed almost a month earlier.

Cerambyx

I haven't taken any photos yet, but I have some questions.
Does anyone have data on Glyphonotus finds closest to Russia or articles on this genus?

Miram articles with descriptions and localities:
1925
1935
There is also an article by Pravdin in Entomological Review, 1969, 48: 589 (volume unknown), I ask all readers to scan it on occasion, OK? I just don't know when I'll be able to do it myself.

  Cerambyx

That's great! If possible, you can and should put a couple of imagos on the mattresses to preserve the color and the ability to spread them freely.

What for? The color of green grasshoppers is not preserved in any case, and working with dry material is much more difficult.

I'll try to see Pravdin's article.

This post was edited by Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg - 05/30/2012 11: 59

Pravdina's article

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  Cerambyx

There are small discrepancies with the supergeneric taxonomy. In the Russian literature, there is a separate subfamily Glyphonotinae Tarbinsky, 1932 with a single genus, in the OSF catalog it is also = tribe Glyphonotini in Tettigoniinae with a bunch of added genera from the USA, North Africa, and even Australia. In this case, I would definitely believe Gorokhov and our other orthopterologists (the first option), and not Otti.

That's great! If possible, you can and should put a couple of imagos on the mattresses to preserve the color and the ability to spread them freely. Evisceration, I think, is not necessary (as for tettigonias, for example), but you know better on the spot. I would be very grateful if you would send me, if possible, one or two copies for dissecting the male's genitals and comparing them with the collection material.
By the way, for the living, too, M. B., it is worth watching in the cage-the Central Asians, at least, have a delightful pose of threat with open wings, here in the topic somewhere even a video was posted.

Thank you so much for your articles! About OSF, I thought so, they just have some kind of porridge there, especially since our experts write that Tettigoniidae is most likely a combined group...
Copies of course I will pass can and live will be able to hold. how long do adults live?

I understand that it's pathetic, but so far only at home on the scanner can be done... if this is not enough , I will come up with something else with photography

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What for? The color of green grasshoppers is not preserved in any case, and working with dry material is much more difficult.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree on a single point. The color is preserved, sometimes even completely, if accurately dried. As opposed to alcohol, where it fades pretty quickly anyway, especially the wings. You can also not straighten the alcohol material as you want, for convenient and quick verification of signs, and in general, over time, it becomes more and more difficult to manipulate it. I think both forms of storage have their advantages and disadvantages.
Thank you so much for the article!

Miram really has one of these jobs.
Here it is: http://www.landesmuseum.at/pdf_frei_remote...4_0256-0267.pdf

about glyphonotuses:
http://ecat-dev.gbif.org/usage/103358149
http://innature.kz/photogallery.php?photo_id=13545

According to M. G. Sergeev (Sergeev, 1986), Gl. sinensis is endemic to the Eastern Tien Shan, and it is even possible that it is a subspecies of Gl. thoracicus
Gl. coniciplicus (=uvarovi) - Central Kazakhstan

As for the photos - alas, I can't understand anything yet beyond what I have already said, I won't say that this is G. thoracicus, although it looks more like it. It should be compared with collectible animals.

As far as I understand, the closest (in geographical and morphological terms) name for our grasshoppers is still G. thoracicus, and if this is not it, then something new... If it helps, I'll try to photograph individual parts in more detail - just tell me which ones you need. In any case, I will transfer instances.
By the way, as it turned out, this animal was caught in our area of Troitsk earlier - in 2003 (identified from the photo), although a few kilometers north-west, but the material was on cotton wool and whether it was preserved or not is unclear. So it's a constant population.

Please define it. Taken on 02.06.12 on Beglitskaya spit. Rostov region.

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