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15.12.2008 19:35, Victor Titov

I don't know. If so, I have a convent in my box... confused.gif

Actually, I didn't come across any dark-winged birds either... confused.gifI trusted the respected Pygidius and K. V. Makarov... shuffle.gif

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 12/15/2008 19: 37

15.12.2008 19:39, пигидий

I haven't seen any dark wings either

and I've never caught anyone like that before-there were aunts here too. they seem to have the same sex ratio as horseflies...
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15.12.2008 20:14, Fornax13

I just downloaded a photo of this muzzled "man" - this is some kind of CRAP! Just like the beetle from the collections of the respected Liparus. This is really not a dissoleucas-there are no cones on the ndkr. no, the color is different, the pronotum with the head is broad, the keel of the pronotum is arched, and not straight like in Dissoleucas. Thank you to dear Dmitrich for the tip!
I specifically looked at the Polish keys - they don't say anything about dimorphism.
The exception method fails smile.gif
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15.12.2008 20:46, пигидий

This is bullshit!

but Makarov's picture on the zinsite is the same as Liparus's, isn't it? one to one dump. so it's also a mess with opr-em...
what kind of animal is this? voronezh-Kharkiv - so, clearly not random finds, a logical picture. I'll try to find out from Makarov who determined it.
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15.12.2008 21:11, Fornax13

Yes, I would also say that they are the same. I wrote you a letter. I think, just like me, they determined by the exclusion method - well, there should not be such beetles on the ETR.
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15.12.2008 22:21, Liparus

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15.12.2008 22:49, RippeR

barry: Allosterna tabacicolor
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15.12.2008 23:12, Fornax13

2 Liparus:
Can you describe the biotope in more detail?

15.12.2008 23:28, Fornax13

And what does polydrusus have to do with it? smile.gif

16.12.2008 0:09, Liparus

2 Liparus:
Can you describe the biotope in more detail?


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6.06.08 - I caught the first one on the road on clay soil(such a road as a hill was bulldozed by a bulldozer,) near the pine forest, this road prozodila on the edge of the forest, all around some acacia trees, the first thing that came to godova-yes, this is a false layer, I've only seen them on the Internet...Thought the pier fell from the acacia tree.But now it seems to me that I climbed out of the grass onto that road.

14.07.08-The second biotope I throw off a similar photo not far from the place where they were caught, the vegetation is exactly the same as at the place of capture.
teapot.gif Ugh I had to sweat in the field under the scorching sun.
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16.12.2008 0:12, Liparus

2 Liparus:
Can you describe the biotope in more detail?


here's a little bigger picture.
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16.12.2008 0:14, Fornax13

Acacias - Robinia or Caragana? white or yellow? smile.gif
And besides acacias, was there anything else from trees/shrubs?

This post was edited by Fornax13-12/16/2008 00: 16

16.12.2008 0:27, Fornax13

And what kind of maples? This is quite interesting...
And where there were no acacias, there were maples?

This post was edited by Fornax13-12/16/2008 00: 28

16.12.2008 12:18, Liparus

Acacias - Robinia or Caragana? white or yellow? smile.gif
And besides acacias, was there anything else from trees/shrubs?


2.jpg I entered on one side of Robinia (thickets), on the opposite side of the road-ash-leaved maple (Acer negundo), near a pine forest.

1.jpg Second place no maples and acacias,just a field, near an oak forest and a stream floodplain.

This post was edited by Liparus - 12/16/2008 12: 25
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16.12.2008 20:34, Necrocephalus

IMHO, Liparus ' false elephant (like the beetle in Makarov's photo) is something from the East Palaearctic fraternity, M. B. Exechesops (=Zygaenodes) elenae Egorov - according to the description and pictures, it seems to be similar. This species develops at the expense of maple seeds, by the way. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any photos on the Internet.
After all, there were cases when a species was described first from the Far East, and only then it was found in the ETR - this was the case with someone from the Melandyidae described by Nikitsky, for example.
Perhaps this is an introduction.
In general, the situation with false elephants is not entirely clear. For example, the absence of such generally frequent species as Rhaphitropis marchicus and Allandrus undulatus in the notorious "green" is surprising.
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16.12.2008 20:41, Fornax13

Yes, thank you, Yakov, that's what we decided too... But they are very healthy for this E. elenae, and so-very similar. But it's better to show it to a specialist.
This is probably about Serropalpus marseuli. There is still a slightly different situation there - it is still easier to import logs than with maple seeds.
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16.12.2008 20:46, Necrocephalus

Well, about the introduction-this is only a guess smile.gif
It is clear that it is difficult to import - but then how to explain the fact that this species (and the genus) was not caught anywhere in Europe before (I specifically looked at faunaeur), and now they have become? An increase in the population of a once megaredid species? smile.gif

This post was edited by Necrocephalus - 12/16/2008 20: 48

16.12.2008 20:55, Fornax13

So very rare? Also, maybe there are series among the dissoleukas...)) IMHO, there are no rare cryptobionts at smile.gifall, so that's why I asked about vegetation. And another thing - have you ever caught false hunters in the open field in series? I don't think I've ever done it before...
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16.12.2008 21:07, Necrocephalus

It is possible that they stand with dissoleukas smile.gifAlthough, imho, beetles are similar only at the first cursory glance, morphologically very different.
I never caught false elephants in an open field at smile.gifall)), only on dead trees and in the window.

And these animals, in theory, should have been mowed down when mowing along the crowns of maples, if, of course, Europeans have the same biology.

This post was edited by Necrocephalus - 12/16/2008 21: 08

16.12.2008 21:45, Fornax13

Well, tk-there can't be any new false layers on ET, because there can't be )))
Do you think they would have gone haywire? wink.gif It's easier to deduce, I think. Yes, and I doubt something that the maples are to blame (it is unlikely that they would eat so much on negunda). But if there were any other types of maples there... The Japanese view is not on the styrax at all, so I don't know...

16.12.2008 22:03, Necrocephalus

By the way, about Acer negundo: there is an opinion that none of the European species eats this tree at all. In fact, I had to see a shrinking Acer with clear exit holes of some small insects on bare wood (I sin on grinders), and under the bark of these trees to collect a whole brood of beetles, ranging from Hololepta plana (I even wrote about it on the forum) and ending with silvanus, litargus, etc. smallness.
So I won't be too surprised if it turns out that this species can also develop at the expense of negunda.
In general, of course, you can guess a lot, if only you could get beetles out of the inhabited substrate... smile.gif

16.12.2008 22:08, Liparus

IMHO, Liparus ' false elephant (like the beetle in Makarov's photo) is something from the East Palaearctic fraternity, M. B. Exechesops (=Zygaenodes) elenae Egorov - according to the description and pictures, it seems to be similar. This species develops at the expense of maple seeds, by the way.


Here is one problem-Near the field where I mowed the grass with a net, no maples, no tembolie seeds!
Among the genera:Eusomus, Sitonus, Apion I've got these two elephants!In the photo, I indicated the green area of mowing grass,and two red dots where I found out in the grid of false layers!
In the red region, more types of cereals were encountered!and the grass was partially eaten by cows/goats (most likely Karova somewhere in the city ate a maple seed with an antrib larva inside and a beetle hatched from the manure smile.gifotherwise it can't be wall.gif

And I think that this species lives on cereals, can feed on ants ...there are a lot of ants-some anthills,, next year I'm going to paint the same place, I think 100% that it will come across again.

16.12.2008 22:27, Fornax13

2 Necrocephalus:
But you must admit that these animals don't care about the tree. They are mostly associated with mushrooms and/or those on mushrooms. But who drills holes is really interesting (although M. B. webs). I also collected something banal on negunda...
But that someone specifically ate the maple itself - I have not seen this.

16.12.2008 22:36, Fornax13

2 Liparus:
Well, the false-layer anteater is absolutely tin))
But the fact that some herbaceous plants can be associated (with cereals, too, is very unlikely) is a really interesting idea.
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16.12.2008 22:43, Necrocephalus

In this case, it seems to me that the species may well develop at the expense of maple seeds and not affected by fungi. Among the false elephants, there are such precedents when the beetle develops at the expense of plant seeds, here is a quote from green regarding Araeocerus fasciculatus: "it is often imported with the fruits of various tropical plants, especially harmful to cocoa grains." smile.gif
Although, it is possible that beetles eat only moldy maple seeds.. smile.gif
This question is still waiting for its researcher smile.gif
In general, false elephants have very diverse food preferences: some eat wood with mushrooms, the second-mushrooms (pyrenomycetes, it seems), the third-in general other insects.. smile.gif

16.12.2008 22:47, Necrocephalus

Next year I'm going to paint the same place I think 100% that again will come across.

Not a fact, not a fact... smile.gif
And as for the location of beetles: anything can happen, especially if it was the period of their mass summer and reproduction. But as Fornax 13 already said, the possibility of communication with a herbaceous plant is an interesting thought smile.gif
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16.12.2008 23:02, Necrocephalus

2 Necrocephalus:
But you must admit that these animals don't care about the tree. They are mostly associated with mushrooms and/or those on mushrooms. But who drills holes is really interesting (although M. B. webs). I also collected something banal on negunda...
But that someone specifically ate the maple itself - this I have not seen.

I think I understand that you didn't mean the false elephants, but the American maple trifle... smile.gif
Well, yes, in this case - I agree smile.gif

16.12.2008 23:13, Fornax13

2 Necrocephalus:
As for food preferences, you can't take away what you have... ))
But, for example, Tov. Cmoluch writes about areocerus that he eats not only coffee with kakava, but also coconuts (I can't imagine), peanuts, dry corn and ginger roots. So it doesn't even require seeds...
And if you remember (God forgive me!) urodonov, who also seem to be false relatives now... They generally develop larvae on grasses, I can't vouch for all of them, but most of them are in fruits.
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16.12.2008 23:38, Liparus

IMHO, M. B. Exechesops (=Zygaenodes) elenae Egorov - according to the description and pictures, it seems to be similar.


So I can write on the tag - ?Exechesops (=Zygaenodes) elenae Egorov
Or lutshe biotope add, but with the name later?
I was going to throw the third one in the trash can at all,his head is badly turned and there is another one on the plate jump.gif

This post was edited by Liparus - 12/16/2008 23: 40

16.12.2008 23:48, Fornax13

2 Liparus:
O_o o_O Nenenenene, in the tank in any case! Take care of it and don't show it to anyone (about not showing it is a joke, of course). In general, if there are any beetles next season, take them all, we really need such beetles. I wrote a letter in ZIN, maybe someone knows this little animal there.
Let it be Exechesops for now ? elenae A. Egorov - and then we'll see.
If you can find out something about their ecology, it will be great.

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16.12.2008 23:57, Liparus

2 Liparus:
O_o o_O Nenenenene, in the tank in any case! Take care of it and don't show it to anyone (about not showing it is a joke, of course). In general, if there are any beetles next season, take them all, we really need such beetles. I wrote a letter in ZIN, maybe someone knows this little animal there.
Let it be Exechesops for now ? elenae A. Egorov - and then we'll see.


What if you send me an email then? how will they define an animal in Zina?..I'll take the material to Barry so he can take more photos. beer.gif

16.12.2008 23:59, Fornax13

No problem, I'll write smile.gif

17.12.2008 11:00, Victor Titov

I was going to throw the third one in the trash can at all,his head is badly turned and there is another one on the plate jump.gif

Not a damn thing! Is it you who put a bug in the trash can just because of the turn of the head and a non-standard die?! I hope you're joking.
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17.12.2008 11:54, Buzman

Just in time to catch up with the topic. Please tell me what kind of " uhonosik "(in the sense of otiorinhus) smile.gifis this?
West Caucasus, Arkhyz, stand about 2300 m. Body length 0.9 mm, under rocks.

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17.12.2008 13:53, Андреас

-hello! - Be so kind to see these 3 goldsmiths from KMV...
"With respect and appreciation, Andreas."

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17.12.2008 14:11, Victor Titov

-hello! - Be so kind to see these 3 goldsmiths from KMV...
"With respect and appreciation, Andreas."

Photo 1 (pair) - Anthaxia sp.
Photo 2-Coraebus rubi (Linnaeus, 1767).

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17.12.2008 15:03, Buzman

To Andreas: In the lower photo, Palmar (Scintillatrix) (=Lampra, =Lampetis, = Lamprodila, = Ovalisia (Scintillatrix), = Scintillatrix) rutilans (Fabricius, 1776) or decipiens (Gebler, 1847)... or maybe even dives (Guillebeau, 1889). You won't be able to follow this photo any further.

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17.12.2008 20:25, Liparus

Not a damn thing! Is it you who put a bug in the trash can just because of the turn of the head and a non-standard die?! I hope you're joking.

No,I'm not kidding at all, before I joined the entomological Society, I did:without a mustache-in the trash can or for spare parts...how many good things I've already thrown away...(for example, I caught 20 horses, sent 10 of them out, and returned the rest to the ground)...Here at home were 40 kravchikov (razravlenyh) I took and gave them to the society to place in the box nezamali...(and with the same box and gave) rolleyes.gif...

This post was edited by Liparus - 12/17/2008 20: 27

17.12.2008 21:03, Андреас

- Thank you!!! - Then here are 3 more gold coins, the last of this year (they seem to be more difficult) confused.gif smile.gif

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17.12.2008 21:15, пигидий

without a mustache, go to the trash can... I gave it away so that they wouldn't take up any space in the box...(and with the same box)

Generally speaking, I find such high demands on the quality of the material highly commendable... but first you still need to imagine exactly what goes to the trash. but there are a lot of collections that themselves look like garbage dumps and where there is no copy, then a disabled person - in addition, covered with dandruff from the wings that were tormented in the same stain
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