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Identification of Lepidoptera (Butterflies and Moths)

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03.07.2007 17:50, lepidopterolog

In my opinion, both are L. maera: in the first photo, the background of the wings is light and the transverse wavy lines are less contrasting, and the eyes are larger than in petrovitana. Photo 2-there are only 2 eyes and 1 spot on the rear wing (the petrovitana usually has 3 eyes). In general, for an accurate definition, it is best to compare the series of these butterflies, then it is better to see what is a sign, and what is individual variability. It often happens that signs of maera can be found in petrovitana and vice versa (as with many other species), so for 100% confidence it is better to determine by genitals. By the way, maera and petrovitana differ in their biotopic location: petrovitana is found in pine forests on the edges and clearings, often on the edges of swamps, while maera prefers deciduous forests.
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03.07.2007 18:49, Dinusik

Please help me determine smile.gif

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03.07.2007 18:58, Zhuk

Please help me determine smile.gif

1-Melitaea diamina
2-scoops. Something from Catocalinae
3-Lopinga achine
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03.07.2007 19:55, omar

H. euphorbiae comes across in my area, but I have never found caterpillars on milkweed, although I looked carefully.

03.07.2007 20:36, omar

The rarest migrant hawk moth is H. livornica.
And the big wine shop? wink.gif

03.07.2007 21:02, Vlad Proklov

The rarest migrant hawk moth is H. livornica.
And the big wine shop? wink.gif

And who ever caught it in the Moscow region at all? At least, in the twentieth century, it seems that there were no finds at all...
Like oleander.

03.07.2007 21:10, Vlad Proklov

Please help me determine smile.gif

The scooper is probably Chrysorithrum sp., most likely Ch. amata (Erebidae: Catocalinae).
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03.07.2007 21:53, omar

I think I know an adequate person who caught it. 1 copy, essno.

03.07.2007 22:01, Vlad Proklov

I think I know an adequate person who caught it. 1 copy, essno.

Wow! It would be interesting to know when and where -- point on the map to slap smile.gif

03.07.2007 22:14, mikee

Yes, Daphne is a good find, unless it's really skidding. This confirms the theory about the expansion of the western border of the species ' range in the Moscow region in the last few years.

Is this brenthisdaphne ? [attachmentid()=23289]
Then it is not clear what is its rarity? Meeting place-Zheleznodorozhny, 9 km east of the Moscow Ring Road, 1991 And there were plenty of them.

03.07.2007 22:38, mikee

Hell knows smile.gifI didn't catch her, so I can't sneak her in. Okay, if there's time in the evening, I'll put one non-standard checker on the definition... It's been bothering me for a long time.

Time found smile.gifPhotos, alas, not of the best quality, and the material, unfortunately, suffered from kozheedov. However, there are three puzzles (I don't name the region smile.gif). Who is it:
Draughtsman #1, vaguely similar to Euphydryas maturna:
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Checker ? №2: [attachmentid()=23293][attachmentid()=23294]
Mother-of-pearl: [attachmentid ()=23295]

And one more question, since there is still room for images. Is it Melitaea phoebe (>45mm)?
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03.07.2007 22:42, lepidopterolog

Is this brenthisdaphne ? [attachmentid()=23289]
Then it is not clear what is its rarity? Meeting place-Zheleznodorozhny, 9 km east of the Moscow Ring Road, 1991 And there were plenty of them.
This is Argyronome laodice, a fairly common but local type of mother-of-pearl.
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03.07.2007 22:51, lepidopterolog

1 - Euphydryas iduna
2 - Melitaea sp.
3-Boloria sp.
4-Melitaea phoebe
Where did the first 3 specimens come from?

This post was edited by lepidopterolog - 03.07.2007 23: 20
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03.07.2007 23:03, mikee

1 - Euphydrias iduna
2 - Melitaea sp.
3-Boloria sp.
4-Melitaea phoebe
Where did the first 3 specimens come from?

2 and 3-Teberda, 1989, August. 1-whether the same Teberda, or Chita region, caught my nephew in one year, brought all together and this one without a label :- (I wonder what's on www.leps.it M. iduna features photos exclusively from Scandinavia...

03.07.2007 23:19, lepidopterolog

If Teberda - then, without options, Boloria caucasica is endemic. The second draughtsman is something from the didyma group, similar to Melitaea (Didymaeformia) persea. However, I'm not sure if there is one in Teberda.
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04.07.2007 0:05, Vlad Proklov

If Teberda - then, without options, Boloria caucasica is endemic. The second draughtsman is something from the didyma group, similar to Melitaea (Didymaeformia) persea. However, I'm not sure if there is one in Teberda.

This is apparently M. interrupta.
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04.07.2007 7:40, Сергей-Д

I'm in the dustpans again. These 3 copies are: I was listed as Spaelotis ravida, now I looked-which one in the photo is more like Sideridis (? turbida). I caught all of them from under the bark of dry trees in the forest and examined them at home.
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Is this some kind of Mamestra?
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Is this Crambus perlella?
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04.07.2007 13:21, mikee

If Teberda - then, without options, Boloria caucasica is endemic. The second draughtsman is something from the didyma group, similar to Melitaea (Didymaeformia) persea. However, I'm not sure if there is one in Teberda.

In the sense of Boloria pales caucasica [Lederer, 1852]? Or Boloria caucasica petrovi Churkin, 2002? And Iduna, it turns out, is still from Chita...

04.07.2007 13:26, Vlad Proklov

In the sense of Boloria pales caucasica [Lederer, 1852]? Or Boloria caucasica petrovi Churkin, 2002? And Iduna, it turns out, is still from Chita...

Well, it used to be considered as a subspecies of pales, but now it is considered as a species in the complex of pales, so the subspecies was described for it.
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04.07.2007 13:31, Vlad Proklov



Ognevka - yes, S. perlella.
The last scoop ("Mamestra") is something from Apameini.
I won't say anything about the rest yet.

04.07.2007 13:35, mikee

Well, it used to be considered as a subspecies of pales, but now it is considered as a species in the complex of pales, so the subspecies was described for it.

Thanks! What should I write on the label: Boloria caucasica ???

04.07.2007 13:37, mikee

This is probably M. interrupta.

Melitaea interrupta Kolenati, 1846 ?

04.07.2007 13:44, Ilia Ustiantcev

Help plz identify butterflies (from last year).
Lichen
1.2picture: __________2.jpg
.picture: ___________.jpg???
Ognevka
image: _______. jpg
Mother
-of-pearl 1.picture: ___________________.jpgDaphne?
2.picture: ____________________2.jpgNiobe?
3.picture: ___________________.jpgNiobe?
4.picture: ____________________.jpgSelena?

04.07.2007 13:46, Ilia Ustiantcev

Scoops
1.picture: ____________________.jpgMetallovidka
2.picture: ____________________________Parectropis_similaria.jpgA paired scoop???

04.07.2007 14:01, Zhuk

Help plz identify butterflies (from last year).

1 - Eilema sp.
2 - Pelosia muscerda
3 - ?Algedonta luctualis Mother-of-
pearl:
it seems that everything is correct, current 3-A. aglaja in my
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04.07.2007 14:08, Vlad Proklov

Thanks! What should I write on the label: Boloria caucasica ???

Melitaea interrupta Kolenati, 1846 ?

Yes and again yes smile.gif
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04.07.2007 14:11, Zhuk

Scoops
1.picture: ____________________.jpgMetallovidka
2.picture: ____________________________Parectropis_similaria.jpgA paired scoop???

1 - Diachrysia stenochrysis
2 - Parascotia fuliginaria
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04.07.2007 14:15, Vlad Proklov

Help plz identify butterflies (from last year).

Two kopecks to what Zhuk said.
1-Eilema ?griseola
3-Write Algedonia luctualis.

Isn't the first mother-of-pearl Titania?
As for the big ones, I also think that both are aglai.
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04.07.2007 14:19, Ilia Ustiantcev

Titania?! Doesn't it have a completely different front wing?
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04.07.2007 15:36, mikee

Yes and again yes smile.gif

So with the Boloria caucasica question marks ??? and write? smile.gif
One more question. While studying this topic on the Internet, I came across in your livejournal Driopa nordmanni Ménétriés in Siemaschko, 1850 and Driopa mnemosyne Linnaeus, 1758 instead of the usual Parnassius xxx with a link to http://www.ecosystema.ru/shop/lysandra/europe2005.htm. Is this a new perversion or a generally accepted modern classification? And when did this start?

04.07.2007 15:41, lepidopterolog

No, it doesn't look like Titania at all, most likely it really is Brenthisonly not daphne, but ino. About Argynnis-the first, in my opinion, is aglaia, the second is niobe.
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04.07.2007 16:23, Vlad Proklov

So with the Boloria caucasica question marks ??? and write? smile.gif
One more question. While studying this topic on the Internet, I came across in your livejournal Driopa nordmanni Ménétriés in Siemaschko, 1850 and Driopa mnemosyne Linnaeus, 1758 instead of the usual Parnassius xxx with a link to http://www.ecosystema.ru/shop/lysandra/europe2005.htm. Is this a new perversion or a generally accepted modern classification? And when did this start?

Sometimes the genus Parnassius is broken up, but now, it seems, it is more mainstream to consider them as a subgenus.

04.07.2007 17:03, lepidopterolog

The genus Parnassius was divided by Korshunov in 1988 into three genera-Parnassius proper, Driopa, and Sachaia. The last two genera include small apollonians without the bright spots characteristic of the genus Parnassius. All three genera are part of the subfamily Parnassiinae. For more information, see Korshunov, "Mace-whiskered lepidoptera of Northern Asia".
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04.07.2007 17:22, mikee

The genus Parnassius was divided by Korshunov in 1988 into three genera-Parnassius proper, Driopa, and Sachaia. The last two genera include small apollonians without the bright spots characteristic of the genus Parnassius. All three genera are part of the subfamily Parnassiinae. For more information, see Korshunov, "Mace-whiskered lepidoptera of Northern Asia".

Thanks! However, judging by the fact that everyone stubbornly continues to write Parnassius, they did not really agree with him... smile.gif

04.07.2007 17:52, lepidopterolog

Some confusion is caused by the fact that different schools of entomologists are supporters of different classifications. In Europe, for example, all Apollonians belong to the genus Parnassius. Here, as far as I have noticed, lepidopterologists from the European part adhere to the old classification of the subfamily Parnassiinae, and from the Eastern part of Russia-proposed by Korshunov. In principle, both points of view are correct.
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05.07.2007 7:33, Сергей-Д

I'm not sure, but in my opinion Ilya's first mother-of-pearl is still Daphne. It's a pity there's no underwear.

This post was edited by Sergey_D-05.07.2007 07: 35
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05.07.2007 19:43, nimu

Help plz determine.
Moscow region Domodedovo district, na svet, 01-04.07.07

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05.07.2007 19:49, lepidopterolog

No. 4-Lymantria monacha, female-sem. Lymantriidae
No. 5-Arctia caja-fam. Arctiidae

This post was edited by lepidopterolog - 05.07.2007 19: 53
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05.07.2007 19:56, Vlad Proklov

Help plz determine.
Moscow region Domodedovo district, na svet, 01-04.07.07

1 - Ectropis crepuscularia (Geometridae)
2 - Xanthorhoe designata (Geometridae)
3 - Xanthorhoe quadrifasciata (Geometridae)
4 - Lymantria monacha (Lymantriidae)
5 - Arctia caja (Arctiidae)
6 - Habrosyne pyritoides (Drepanidae: Thyatirinae)
7 - Clostera curtula (Notodontidae)
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05.07.2007 19:59, Vlad Proklov

No. 4-Lymantria monacha, female-sem. Lymantriidae
No. 5-Arctia caja-fam. Arctiidae

Nun -- samee-ts, there's pipiska mustache what smile.gif
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