Identification of Lepidoptera (Butterflies and Moths)

A few moths don't give up. Maybe familiar to someone...
And yet, who can say: how to distinguish between Lythria purpuraria and Lythria rotaria (=cruentaria)?

1: 29.06 - Orenburg region, Guberninskie Gory


2: 23.08-Orenburg region, Ural River valley near Donskoye village


3: 28.06 - Mugojary


4. This one was assumed to be Pseudoterpna pruinata, but I'm not sure...


5. Chelyabinsk region, Dogwood, August


6. Well, this is probably quite difficult... Mugojary

3-I. sericeata-like
About Lythria try it here
http://www.lepiforum.de/cgi-bin/lepiwiki.p...hria_Cruentaria

A few moths don't give up. Maybe familiar to someone...
And yet, who can say: how to distinguish between Lythria purpuraria and Lythria rotaria (=cruentaria)?

1 - unknown to me ognevka.
2 - ?Aspitates gilvaria
3-Yes, Idaea sericeata
4-Yes, Pseudoterpna pruinata
5 - Scopula rubiginata
6-somewhat similar to Eupithecia gratiosata, but not it. There is a Chief Specialist in Russia on these "flower motes" - V. G. Mironov from ZIN.

And what is this synonym -- Lythria rotaria (=cruentaria)?
Why is rotaria used as a valid name? Something new?
Because L. cruentaria has always been mentioned recently for Russia - and L. rotaria, like, is a Southern European species...
I caught only the second generation of both (Moscow and Ryazan regions) - the purpuraria on krl Lane has two thin pink stripes (and this is a southern species), and the kruentaria has a thick V-(or Y -) shaped stripe.

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 10/22/2007 15: 51

purpurata L,1761=rotaria F,1798=cruentaria Hfn,1767

This post was edited by svm2 - 10/22/2007 15: 39

purpurata L,1761=rotaria F,1798=cruentaria Hfn,1767

In all modern works, it is listed as cruentaria Hufnagel, 1767
. Here is a synonym for it from [Karsholt & Razowski, 1996]: Junior synonym: rotaria (Fabricius, 1798). Homonym: Phalaena purpurata Linnaeus, 1761, nec Linnaeus, 1758.

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 10/22/2007 15: 49

1 - unknown to me ognevka.
2 - ?Aspitates gilvaria
3-Yes, Idaea sericeata
4-Yes, Pseudoterpna pruinata
5 - Scopula rubiginata
6-somewhat similar to Eupithecia gratiosata, but not it. There is a Chief Specialist in Russia on these "flower motes" - V. G. Mironov from ZIN.

And what is this synonym -- Lythria rotaria (=cruentaria)?
Why is rotaria used as a valid name? Something new?
Because L. cruentaria has always been mentioned recently for Russia - and L. rotaria, like, is a Southern European species...
I caught only the second generation of both (Moscow and Ryazan regions) - the purpuraria on krl Lane has two thin pink stripes (and this is a southern species), and the kruentaria has a thick V-(or Y -) shaped stripe.

Thank you for your help! Ognevka - it's interesting!
I didn't think about synonymy. Don't take it too seriously. Just on the sites I met both names, and more often, as it seemed to me, rotaria than cruentaria... How do I know the details of these taxa, if for me only today it was a discovery that there are two species of Lythria in the Urals, what would they do?..

About ognevki-there is also such a butterfly... http://www.leps.it/images/Geometridae/InLeGeGyReA0001.jpg

About ognevki-there is also such a butterfly... http://www.leps.it/images/Geometridae/InLeGeGyReA0001.jpg

That's right, it's her! Gypsochroa renitidata, Southern Urals is well within its distribution zone.

Vladivostok, October: flew into the entrance of the house, fleeing from the cold.

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Vladivostok, October: flew into the entrance of the house, fleeing from the cold.

Something like Mythimna (Pseudaletia) unipuncta, but it doesn't seem to be her. Or maybe she is...

About ognevki-there is also such a butterfly... http://www.leps.it/images/Geometridae/InLeGeGyReA0001.jpg

Thank you, Ilya! Saved the honor of the moth!:)

"Vladivostok, October: flew into the entrance of the house, fleeing from the cold."

It seems to me that this is Pseudaletia separata Walker, 1865-autumn fauna of the DV

P.S. kotbegemot is also right, both names are synonymized. There are also consimilis and luteomacutala, and all this in Russian-eastern meadow scoop

This post was edited by cajarc - 10/25/2007 09: 30

October, south of Primorye

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Tell me who knows what kind of butterfly, the picture is certainly terrible.

Mid-September, Udmurtia, Izhevsk.

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Tell me who knows what kind of butterfly, the picture is certainly terrible.

Mid-September, Udmurtia, Izhevsk.

Autographa gamma

From Juglans: "October, South of Primorye"
Is a Telorta edentata, flying in September-October in the south of Khabarovsk Krai and in Primorye

Can you help me with this moth? Pskov region, August. Shabby of course, but what if?

Autumn (October), incomprehensible, from Orenburg region (chalk on the border with Kazakhstan)

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Autumn (October), incomprehensible, from Orenburg region (chalk on the border with Kazakhstan)

In my opinion, this is a moth of Ithysia pravata.

I would like to hear opinions about the species of these butterflies. All three are Crimea. The wingspan is
Pyrgus sp. = 25мм
Carcharodus sp. =25мм
Colias sp. = 44mm

This post was edited by okoem - 14.11.2010 23: 10

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Budashkin told me that Ithysia pravata flies in early spring. So it's wintering?

update:
I would like to hear the opinions of respected forum members about the species of these butterflies. All three are Crimea. The wingspan is
Pyrgus sp. = 25мм
Carcharodus sp. =25мм
Colias sp. = 44mm

Actually, yes, a spring look...

On butterflies, my opinion is:
Colias crocea x erate
Pyrgus serratulae
Carcharodus lavatherae or orange erate.

Personally, carcharodus reminds me more of Alce. Lavater didn't think he'd ever seen one with such a hood and such narrow windows. When is it assembled? Better to cook it. Just like pyrgus.
With jaundice-I agree.

Volodya, zheltushka-crocea.

Carcharodus has been assembled since September of this year. The windows are small I think because this year there is a severe drought and many butterflies are very small - hyperanthes came across the size of pamphylia and Argusov saw smaller than other cupid minimus.

update:
For several years now I have been actively catching jaundice, but as far as I have seen rabbits, there is always only one yellow spot on the black one in the anal corner of the front wing. And this one has two. In fact, there was no one else like this one. Erath hasn't seen much, but I think they usually have one spot, too. And two are always at hyale and chrysotheme. IMHO the yolk is quite similar to the chrysotemums that are depicted here -
http://www.pieris.ch/diagnostik/s_chrysotheme_01.html
In my opinion, the choice of three options-erata, chrysotheme or some kind of hybrid.
By the way, does chrysotheme give hybrids with erata, crocea or hyale?

This post was edited by okoem - 01.11.2007 15: 44

Carcharodus has been assembled since September of this year. The windows are small I think because this year there is a severe drought and many butterflies are very small - hyperanthes came across the size of pamphylia and Argusov saw smaller than other cupid minimus.

If in September, then Carcharodus alceae, the second (or even third) generation. C. lavatherae seems to have only one generation in the first half of summer.
Not, with the jaundice I doubt, wrong... Maybe croceus, or maybe chrysotheme. The large spot on the border of the Cu1 cr is more likely to bring it closer to these species.

This post was edited by PG18-01.11.2007 15: 57

In the Crimea, C. lavatherae has two generations. Here is last year's September snapshot -
http://babochki-kryma.narod.ru/1_Hesperiid..._lavatherae.htm

Definitely not Erate. There is a similarity with chrysotheme, if the wings were longer. (If there is only one such rabbit among 50 rabbits, it is not terrible, but if it is caught among chrysothemes, it is another matter)

There is still one subtlety, since this is a Crimean, and especially if the autumn specimen, and the crocea is a migratory one, then it is likely to fly from the south, and in Turland similar ones are found.

Caught on September 14, 2005, in the vicinity of Simferopol. Yolks then flew singly. Crocuses or something else-I don't remember how old it was. It is interesting that in the 80-ies approximately in the same area Efetov caught chrysotemum.

Characarodus is definitely not alce, definitely not flociferus. Only lavatere and Orientalis remain. For me, so orientalis, as lavatere is lighter on top, has larger, and generally more white spots. The bottom is also usually lighter.

Let me remind you, chrysotheme under the Simph was caught in June, its summer time, the females there were greenish by the way, I remember.

Please note that there are androconial "pads" on the underside of the forewings at the base, which means definitely not Carcharodus alceae or C. lavatherae. And to reliably distinguish C. flocciferus from C. orientalis, you need to cook the genitals.

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Carcharodus.jpg — (45.8к)

orintalis then my verdict! and no need to cook anything!
flociferus has a pronounced white stripe on the bottom, there is no zigzag white stripe at the edge.

Most likely, of course, C. orientalis. But for this pair of C. orientalis-C. flocciferus, just the same, it is necessary to cook, because, according to their habit, they are very variable and these two species overlap completely (and here another instance is not the first freshness). Moreover, both types are shown for the Crimea.
They differ only in terms of valvae.

It is enough just to take a bunch of images from different sites - differences on the oitsoeven on such an ex and in color, and in drawing, etc.

It is enough to take a decent series not from sites, but from nature and the differences disappear both in color and in drawing. Now I'll take a picture and post it. And on websites and in books they give mostly the most characteristic copies.

I present extreme variants of the C. orientalis series (for doubters: the definition of butterflies in this series is confirmed by Devyatkin) in comparison with C. flocciferus from the Chelyabinsk region (C. orientalis does not live there)

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The definition of the same genitals of errors practically does not give. Pay attention to the shape and length of the valva process. The genitals are taken from the above butterflies.

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According to Yu. I. Budashkin, C. flocciferus is absent in the Crimea. If so, that leaves C. orientalis.

Well, then Y. P. Nekrutenko was wrong, and the solution to your question becomes more unambiguous. But then I'd like to boil my genitals. What if C. flocciferus.