Identification of Lepidoptera (Butterflies and Moths)

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08.04.2017 8:45, Prolybitherium

From a scientific point of view, there are no clear rules governing the national names of insects. There are traditions, nothing more. The system of Russian names was introduced by N. Kholodkovsky in the beginning. Since then, they have changed many times, were used in Soviet times even in academic literature, and in the Red Books they are often used even now, and God only knows what authors invented them there. Disputes about the need to somehow streamline the rules for Russian names periodically arise and subside. For the American fauna, in general, we did not invent anything special, except for bright and popular butterflies (sailboat so-and-so, birdwing so-and-so, etc.). There are no special rules for translation and use. And "shashechnitsa" is often used for rhyodinids, I have met this for a long time repeatedly.

I once saw an attempt to bring Russian names for cichlid fish to a common denominator. But that almanac was never reprinted, having safely rested in the 90s. But the idea itself is not bad - real verbal freaks appear in popular aquarium books. As for the problematic butterfly, the word "riodinida" is better suited for translating the name "metalmark", since this word is a common name for representatives of this family in English. Then, perhaps, you can call it in Russian "riodinida Lange", or a transliteration of the name "apodemia Lange". Your opinion?
For myself, I wonder-who is this Lange?

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08.04.2017 10:34, Andrey Bezborodkin

I once saw an attempt to bring Russian names for cichlid fish to a common denominator. But that almanac was never reprinted, having safely rested in the 90s. But the idea itself is not bad - real verbal freaks appear in popular aquarium books. As for the problematic butterfly, the word "riodinida" is better suited for translating the name "metalmark", since this word is a common name for representatives of this family in English. Then, perhaps, you can call it in Russian "riodinida Lange", or a transliteration of the name "apodemia Lange". Your opinion?
For myself, I wonder-who is this Lange?

I don't know for sure, but maybe this is his descendant:
http://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/_...wharrylange.htm
The fact is that often when describing new taxa of insects, they give the name or surname of a friend who was nearby and is not particularly known to anyone. In this case, however, we are probably talking about a scientist.
In my opinion, both of your suggested name options are acceptable. Probably, the transliteration of the genus will be even better. We often find similar names in lit. sources.

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11.04.2017 4:42, akulich-sibiria

Depressariidae: Ethmiinae
Elachistidae

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and what are they guided by, what do they adhere to in their later works?
In the same-annotated catalog of insects DV 2016 vol. 2 lepidoptera and catalog of lepidoptera of Russia Sinev 2008, where three families are listed separately. As I understood this distribution according to Nieukerken (2011).
And on sites http://insecta.pro and http://www.lepiforum.de everything is combined into one family. I don't quite understand what they were guided by in this case?

Help me understand more about the question microchesoptera and moth-like lepidoptera are they the same thing? Is it possible to distinguish a group of superfamilies of the suborder Glossata (according to Nieukerken (2011) up to Tortricidae, without including the latter, and what can they be called?

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13.04.2017 8:21, Alexandr Zhakov

Please tell me if there are any apollons in the Crimea(I will go for the summer, and I have long wanted to observe these butterflies in nature and photograph them)?

This is an open question. The subspecies Parnassius apollo breitfussi was described from the Crimea, from several specimens. Many authors question this. Although there are references in the literature about his finds in the Crimea. all this dates back to the beginning of the last century. Over the past decades, several species of diurnal, and not only, butterflies have been found in the Crimea, about which they categorically said that they do not exist in the Crimea. All the Apollo finds in Ukraine are almost mythical. Instructions for the Donetsk Ridge date back to the 30s of the last century. In the Kiev region, it periodically appears once every few decades, and then for many years it is not heard about. I don't know about Polesie, in Podillia on the Dniester, there are more or less permanent places where it is very locally found. but the places are "classified"

In the Carpathians single flights. The Red Data Book of Crimea says about the distribution:"in the Crimea, in the upper part of the northern macroslope of the Main ridge of the Crimean Mountains in the area of Demerdzhi, Chatyrdag or Babugan-yayly"
, See the CC of Crimea:
http://meco.rk.gov.ru/file/Krasnaja_kniga_...votnye_2015.pdf

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13.04.2017 22:56, Гена

in Podillia on the Dniester, there are more or less permanent places where it is very locally found. but the locations are "classified"

I think it is no less mythical here than in Ukraine as a whole. I have heard from several people that somewhere in the mid-80s, there was allegedly a find in the Ternopil region on the Seret River (a tributary of the Dniester), but has anyone ever seen this specimen? I forgot the name of the collector who found it there, but Romanov, as far as I understand, communicated with him personally, and on his own tip was in that place already somewhere in the 90s, of course, to no avail. Well, according to some photos on Popov's missing website, it was possible to judge that he was looking for Apollo in those places, and if he found it, why hide it? Or are there still more reliable "classified" finds?