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12.10.2014 0:33, Nick444444

Can you help me identify the types of caterpillars??? Thank you in advance!!!
Kharkiv, 2014.
1) IMG_4826.JPG -Photo taken on October 9.
2) IMG_4807.JPG -Photo taken on October 12, was found on the wall of the house.
3) IMG_4793.JPG -The photo was taken on October 9, on poplar.
4) IMG_4782_1.JPG -The photo was taken on October 5, on a nettle tree in the forest.
5) IMG_4782_1.JPG -The photo was taken on October 5, on a nettle tree in the forest.
How to take care of the 1st and 2nd caterpillar, what to feed?

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12.10.2014 8:25, okoem

Can you help me identify the types of caterpillars??? Thank you in advance!!!
Kharkiv, 2014.
1) IMG_4826.JPG -Photo taken on October 9.
2) IMG_4807.JPG -Photo taken on October 12, was found on the wall of the house.
3) IMG_4793.JPG -The photo was taken on October 9, on poplar.
4) IMG_4782_1.JPG -The photo was taken on October 5, on a nettle tree in the forest.
5) IMG_4782_1.JPG -The photo was taken on October 5, on a nettle tree in the forest.
How to take care of the 1st and 2nd caterpillar, what to feed? .

1 Scoop. Some kind of polyvoltine type, most likely.
2. A. rumicis
3.?
4, 5 - something from Crambidae, most likely.

Take care of - try giving sorrel, for starters.

This post was edited by okoem - 12.10.2014 08: 27

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17.10.2014 19:09, TEMPUS

It seems to be even more similar to Arctia villica. It's also shown in the attached photo.

Definitely not Arctia villica.
On your photo Phragmatobia fuliginosa - 100%. In autumn, they crawl in large numbers on roads and other open, well-warmed places. Arctia villica is not suitable in terms of timing (in this case, the beginning of October): in A. villica, the caterpillar of the third age overwinters, in P. fuliginosa - the fifth (it pupates in the spring without taking food). The third-instar caterpillar A. villica is very different in appearance from the fifth-instar caterpillar P. fuliginosa. In addition, the head and false legs of A. villica caterpillars are red, while those of P. fuliginosa are black.

P. fuliginosa in the Moscow region is a very common, often occurring species, while A. villica is very rare, isolated specimens, and not in the entire territory of the Moscow region, the chances of meeting its caterpillar in the Moscow region are scanty.

This post was edited by TEMPUS - 10/17/2014 19: 11

17.10.2014 22:07, vidjl

It seems to be even more similar to Arctia villica. It's also shown in the attached photo.

This is not A. villica, this is definitely Phragmatobia fuliginosa, by the way, if you breed, feed well and keep warm, it can pupate soon. I kept mine together with Arctia caja, those I grow from eggs, they are all warm and well fed, safely pass the third age, and at the fifth age they always pupate without wintering. This time, out of 80 pupae, more than half of the adults have come out, and another 40 caterpillars are preparing to pupate. P. fuliginosa got caught on a forest path, threw it to them, it also pupated two days ago, and this is not the first time with these bears. So feed them well. Bears eat a lot of things, almost everyone loves cabbage, it is always good in stores.

This post was edited by vidjl - 10/17/2014 22: 48

18.10.2014 10:29, RoPro

This is not A. villica, this is definitely Phragmatobia fuliginosa, by the way, if you breed, feed well and keep warm, it can pupate soon. I kept mine together with Arctia caja, those I grow from eggs, they are all warm and well fed, safely pass the third age, and at the fifth age they always pupate without wintering. This time, out of 80 pupae, more than half of the adults have come out, and another 40 caterpillars are preparing to pupate. P. fuliginosa got caught on a forest path, threw it to them, it also pupated two days ago, and this is not the first time with these bears. So feed them well. Bears eat a lot of things, almost everyone loves cabbage, it is always good in stores.

Thank you so much for the detailed explanation. Unfortunately, I didn't adopt the caterpillar. It didn't seem interesting. Now I see what a beautiful butterfly it would make. But if I didn't know what kind of caterpillar it was, what to feed it, and how to keep it in a city apartment, I don't think I would have been able to get a butterfly out of it. And you have a whole farm.

18.10.2014 10:31, RoPro

Definitely not Arctia villica.
On your photo Phragmatobia fuliginosa - 100%. In autumn, they crawl in large numbers on roads and other open, well-warmed places. Arctia villica is not suitable in terms of timing (in this case, the beginning of October): in A. villica, the caterpillar of the third age overwinters, in P. fuliginosa - the fifth (it pupates in the spring without taking food). The third-instar caterpillar A. villica is very different in appearance from the fifth-instar caterpillar P. fuliginosa. In addition, the head and false legs of A. villica caterpillars are red, while those of P. fuliginosa are black.

P. fuliginosa in the Moscow region is a very common, often occurring species, while A. villica is very rare, isolated specimens, and not in the entire territory of the Moscow region, the chances of meeting its caterpillar in the Moscow region are scanty.