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Pavel Morozov, 12.02.2006 21:34

People, help, please, where can I (exactly) get an ultraviolet lamp for 250 W (exactly for 250!)?
maybe someone will sell it or tell you where or from whom it is sold.
it is Uv that is needed, and not any other. Halogen will not roll, DRL/DRV too (especially DRL, as you do not want to mess with the connection, create a circuit, alternative throttle, bale the flask, etc.)

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13.02.2006 12:36, Bad Den

http://www.vashdom.ru/goodsbr347-2-aprice-0.htm " Here's what I found

http://www.blv.ru/www.blv-licht.de/redsys/...Wcf19ec7dac.htm

In general Yandex gave out a lot of links
http://www.yandex.ru/yandsearch?rpt=rad&te...F%E0+250+%C2%F2

This post was edited by Bad Den - 02/13/2006 12: 57
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18.02.2006 11:36, Pavel Morozov

One more question. friends.
Is there any data on the use of an infrared lamp to attract nocturnal insects?

23.02.2006 13:58, Aleksandr Ermakov

There was something in the Entomological Review. About long-whiskered diptera.
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11.04.2006 14:30, Vadim Yakubovich

Colleagues, can you tell me who used germicidal lamps to catch the thread (from the hospital), and if so, how successfully. In general, is it worth contacting them?

11.04.2006 14:46, RippeR

Definitely not worth it.. The lamp does not just need ultraviolet light, but also attracts, which many lamps do not give, and bactericidal ones are designed to kill, not lure..

And I have such a question, where can I get a UV lamp that can be connected to some source in the field (there are no sockets in the fields and forests..)
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11.04.2006 23:32, Guest

To be honest, the same DRL, i.e. giblets from it are very harmful in terms of batericidity and set fire to something around you, such as a casing, if it is not made of metal. Actually, I also have a 20 W lamp, because it would be much easier to feed it in the field. And who knows the spectrum-the wavelength that is most attractive to insects?

11.04.2006 23:35, Vadim Yakubovich

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12.04.2006 17:40, Pavel Morozov

Here, by the way, in just field conditions, in the absence of visible light sources within a radius of several kilometers, any lamp, including 20W, will do. Even the DRL flask does not need to be pricked. If you do not want to drag and connect the throttle, then there is a throttle-free DRV for this (although if you split it, the arc will cover). If there are lanterns nearby, and "windows have an unquenchable light", then only UV or split DRL with all precautions taken.

As for the wavelength, you need to search, but about the power, it is known for sure that the most attractive power of a UV source is 250 watts. Gornostaev has something about it somewhere.
However, you can catch and so (in a completely wild area): use two DRL/DRV lamps of different power (for example, 150 and 300 W), turn them on alternately, first the more powerful one, then the less powerful one. The principle of the method is as follows: some insects rush directly to the light source, some-sit down a little further away. When you turn on another lamp, they fly to the screen. I used it myself, the method is effective and well described.
As for the sale of lamps that do not require a fixed connection, you can dig through sites with entomological equipment or find special fluorescent lamps in specialized stores.
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13.04.2006 0:24, Vadim Yakubovich

I wanted to cheat, take a one-and-a-half-kilowatt uninterruptible power supply in the field and connect a lamp with electronic ballast (without a throttle). Electricity is only from the generator, and the generator is at night...it gets boring.
2 Morozzz: about the technique with two lamps, where can I read in more detail?

13.04.2006 19:59, Pavel Morozov

to Sergey: I don't know exactly where you can read it, but V. Sinyaev suggested the method to me, so it catches it like this. Alternate turning on the lights every 20 to 30 minutes. But the noise of the generator is an unavoidable cost. But if with a generator, but somewhere in the middle of nowhere, then all the butterflies are ours.
Although, in order not to bother with two lamps, it is easier to split the DRL-250 and catch it in hard ultraviolet light. At least in the Moscow region, this is the most effective way.

13.04.2006 22:36, RippeR

Please describe in detail how to split (and what do you mean by this concept) drl, what source can be connected (what it is, what it eats, how much it costs approximately..). Otherwise, I will not succeed frown.gif

14.04.2006 0:59, Vadim Yakubovich

The DRL lamp itself looks like a large bulb with a cartridge. The light source is a gas-discharge burner (mercury-tungsten), which, together with ballast resistors, is hidden in a flask covered with phosphor and filled with argon, this flask, i.e. the outer shell of the lamp needs to be broken. The lamp is taken, wrapped in a rag in several turns, placed on a hard one and on top with a hammer. Just carefully, so as not to break or bend the filling. Next, the burner is connected to the ballast so that it can be turned on in 220V, usually chokes from fluorescent lamps are used as ballast, pcs 4-6-8 depending on the lamp power. I'll send you the activation diagram a little later. Yes, a 250-watt lamp costs 160 rubles. (Khabarovsk)

14.04.2006 13:14, Bad Den

And how do you protect your eyes?
In welding glasses? So after all invisibly nifiga will be...

14.04.2006 18:30, Pavel Morozov

For those who prefer to protect their eyes, there are sunglasses. Well, of course, I don't think you should look at it directly.
In Moscow, there are also 113p (of our production), but a little more expensive. Throttle (for DRL-250, right there it is special and sold) - no more than 500 rubles. The connection diagram on the throttle is usually drawn. We connect sequentially and no problems.
As a doctor, I must once again warn you that careless handling of a hard source of ultraviolet light can lead to photodermatitis, hyperpigmentation and, worst of all, to melanoma (discovered America, of course). But this is not so bad if you are not constantly in close proximity to the lamp and if you do not have too white skin (types I-II of photosensitivity). In strictly dosed amounts, UV is even useful.
By the way, I work in a country clinic and recently, while staying on duty right from the office (my window looks out on the forest), I caught some lovely spring moth and a scoop (Phigalia pilosaria, Agriopis marginaria, Lycia hirtarius, Biston stratarius, Eupsilia transversa, Lithophane hepatica, Lithophane consocia).

14.04.2006 18:30, Pavel Morozov

to Sergey: Have you ever fished in Primorye?

14.04.2006 18:32, Pavel Morozov

to RippeR: do not forget to get the E40 ceramic cartridge to the DRL. Wire at least 0.75.

14.04.2006 22:22, RippeR

Thank You

15.04.2006 2:01, Vadim Yakubovich

2 Morozzz: Were you referring to the lamp at night? Then no, and so there were several sorties in Primorye. At the end of May I will go to Bikin and then down the Ussuri River. Almost north of Primorye. I'll try fishing. By the way, in order not to spend 500r, you can take 4 pcs. chokes from lamps for 40W fluorescent lamps, turn them on in parallel, and all this fraternity in series with the DRL. Verified. As for glasses, they need to be checked for the effectiveness of UV delay, usually there are such devices in opticians. I wonder how many doctors are there among entomologists and entomologists among doctors? By the way, I am also a doctor.
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15.04.2006 7:19, Pavel Morozov

2 Sergeich: We want to go to the Khasansky district with our wife, somewhere in Andreevka, Well, of course, we'll grab a light bulb. There are a lot of questions. Is it okay if I send you an e-mail?
By the way, I'm also Sergeich. smile.gif
I will try a method with such chokes.

15.04.2006 7:25, Pavel Morozov

By the way, I opened this topic in order to find out where you can get a UV lamp, "so as not to mess with the DRL".
Now the opinion is unequivocal - it's better DRL than an expensive UV lamp from medical equipment, which is also not as easy to get as we would like.
Based on your experience.

15.04.2006 14:34, Vadim Yakubovich

2 Morozzz: Write what I can, I'll tell you (Presid_11собакаmail.ru). And what kind of lamp from medical equipment? Actually, I am also puzzled by the reduction in weight-gluttony-danger of UV lamps. That's why I asked about the germicidal lamp. El. it is easy to make ballast for her, she eats little, she doesn't try to set fire to anything around her.
2 All: Messages about flashlights with UV light-emitting diodes (from keychains-children) skip through. currencies). Who-thread made similar lanterns? what are the results? I couldn't get such LEDs myself, we don't sell key chains, and suppliers of radio components don't have such jokes in their warehouses. The directories have them, but.... I tried to use lamps from bank children. currency, somehow not very, maybe someone has thoughts about this.

15.04.2006 15:20, Pavel Morozov

http://ecology-21.ru/catalogue/oblutchateliilampy/ - this is a link to the lamp icon. In terms of cost and size, they still lose.

15.04.2006 21:52, RippeR

Honey lamps, but do they even attract cockroaches?! smile.gif
Once, when they came for lamps, they looked at the catalog, and there most of the lamps did not have the characteristics that it attracts insects!

15.04.2006 23:10, Pavel Morozov

2 RippeR: And what do you think, will it be written in the characteristics of a MEDICAL device about attracting insects?
If not less than 150 watts, then still attract.

footnote: if, for example, the head of the physical therapy department makes a purchase of the same lamps, he will be purple, sorry, it attracts insects or not. Do not try to ask a question about this when buying such a lamp.
When I went shopping for medical equipment to get a light bulb, I was persistently asked what the lamp was for.
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16.04.2006 4:02, Vadim Yakubovich

And what will be the head of the department who bought lamps that attract insects, when all the cockroaches from the departments will come running to the light in his department wink.gif?

16.04.2006 4:14, Vadim Yakubovich

Interesting option: "UFO-In Electronics", and UV and IR in one bottle, only eats a lot. 2 Morozzz: on the website about lamps logo with a butterfly! Maybe a hint?smile.gif .
2 all: By the way, our craftsmen adapt lamps from UV irradiators for tanning (tanning beds) to make seals (where polymerization occurs under UV irradiation). Can I use them? 20-40 W, similar to luminescent, imported, they hit the eyes decently, like bactericides. Maybe they have the right spectrum?

24.05.2006 23:09, RippeR

Urgently! Tell me pliz specific lamp (the name of the series, preferably Philips), preferably one that is pear-shaped, inserted into the base.. I need to buy food for my trip tomorrow.

25.05.2006 16:47, Pavel Morozov

The same as our DRV - at Philips ML 250W (that is, throttle-free, it turns on directly, the E40 cartridge. Only the flask can not be pricked - it spoils.
If DRL, then Philips, in my opinion, HLV 250W, the cartridge is also E40, the throttle is required. At this lamp, you can split the bulb.
Just hang it 2.5 m above the ground, otherwise, in addition to butterflies, the bunny will fly in.
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28.05.2006 20:39, taler

And I wonder-do daytime butterflies fly to the light of such lamps at night???If they're flying, what are they? teapot.gif
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29.05.2006 9:23, Bad Den

The same as our DRV - at Philips ML 250W (that is, throttle-free, it turns on directly, the E40 cartridge. Only the flask can not be pricked - it spoils.

And why do you need to split the flask? If split, how long will the lamp live?

29.05.2006 18:17, Pavel Morozov

The bulb is covered with phosphor inside. Having split the flask, namely DRL, (carefully, without damaging the arc), you get a reliable and quite durable, protect only from moisture, a source of strong ultraviolet light. In an area where there are already so many lanterns , this is probably the only effective light tool for attracting insects. They fly so fast that you forget about everything! However, it is necessary to hang such a lamp at a height of about 2.5 m, some kind of hat, dark glasses should be taken.
And the screen - you probably know it as well as I do.
Where the nearest light source is many kilometers away, you can catch a whole car on 150 W DRV.
If the question is about splitting the DRV , then she will not live at all after that (at least from personal experience).

to taler: I personally caught a marigold Hipparchia fagi in the Krasnodar Territory.

30.05.2006 10:19, Bad Den

Another question then:
Those. the Philips ML 250W lamp does not need to prick the bulb, it will already emit ultraviolet light, but much less or the same?

30.05.2006 14:43, Vadim Yakubovich

2 Bad Den
Phosphor is needed to convert UV to the visible spectrum, and ordinary glass, in addition, does not pass UV itself, for UV lamps the bulb is made of quartz. So after the double barrier, if ultraviolet light breaks through, it will be in very small amounts.

30.05.2006 16:20, Bad Den

So it turns out that it is better to still buy Philips HLV 250W ?

30.05.2006 16:54, Bad Den

I found these lamps on the Philips website:
Blacklight Blue HPW & MLW

This post was edited by Bad Den-05/30/2006 16: 55

30.05.2006 18:22, Pavel Morozov

Yes, not necessarily Philips. Domestic analogues are also nothing.
The Philips HLV-250 requires an appropriate throttle.

30.05.2006 19:04, Bad Den

By the way, here at these lamps the scope of application explicitly says "insect traps"

30.05.2006 19:49, Pavel Morozov

We saw these actinics and superactinics!
It is good to use them again - where there are no nearby light sources, namely within a radius of several km. And then, no matter who you look at-all lamps like DRL and DRV.
I repeat: I use DRL (HLV) -250 with a split flask. I connect it via the throttle. In the conditions of the Moscow region, they fly even on a moonlit and frosty night. Only, however," bunny " caught on the night of May 14. Barely got home.
I also tried on DRV (ML) -250 (throttle-free, do not prick the flask - it will spoil) the weekend before last. They also flew well, but not so thickly. In addition, in both cases, lanterns with DRL-300 or 400 W lamps shone nearby, but none of them flew a single butterfly. They flew only to mine.
Somewhere in the wild, you should try a good method, I have already described it earlier. It is used in his expeditions by Viktor Sinyaev. Two DRL (or DRV) lamps of different power - 150 and 300 watts are used. We turn them on one by one. The essence of the method in particular of many moths (and not only butterflies) do not fly directly to the light source, but sit down at a distance from it. When you turn off the more powerful one and turn on the less powerful one, those who "landed" further away fly closer.

30.05.2006 20:03, andr_mih

Please tell me the scheme of switching on an arc lamp (DRL-250, -125, -80) through a converter from a low-voltage source. I can't find it on the Internet myself.

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