Soaking insects

Colleagues, I know that when straightening soaked dried grass (butterflies), in particularly difficult cases, they somehow cut the veins from the abdomen so that the wings move better, but I don't know how this is done. Can someone tell me the methodology, I would not like to spoil the material.

I cut off the front wings of the pigeons with a blade,where the wing is attached to the body,or maybe I was teasing with a needle...it is necessary to practice on the usual ones, but in general I know that there is a special liquid for soaking in the desiccator dripping it...

I cut off the front wings of the pigeons with a blade,where the wing is attached to the body,or maybe I was teasing with a needle...it is necessary to practice on the usual ones, but in general I know that there is a special liquid for soaking in the desiccator dripping it...

And what kind of liquid is so special for softening? This is the first time I've heard about the existence of such a system.

And what kind of liquid is so special for softening? This is the first time I've heard about the existence of such a system.

There are tako

There is such a thing

What's it called? Where? How much? The first tank is mine!

And this liquid is called alcohol. And you need to soak not in plastic but in a normal desiccator.which is available for sale at a price from 600 rubles to 800 rubles. And there won't be any problems.Nothing needs to be pruned and muddled. I have been working professionally on unpacking for 20 years ,and I have recently discovered this method for money and am very happy with it.

And this liquid is called alcohol. And you need to soak not in plastic but in a normal desiccator.which is available for sale at a price from 600 rubles to 800 rubles. And there won't be any problems.Nothing needs to be pruned and muddled. I have been working professionally on unpacking for 20 years ,and I have recently discovered this method for money and am very happy with it.

What alcohol, what concentration?

Guest! They said "A"... Let's see the methodology in detail! I promise-the spread is only for yourself!

What alcohol!! Medical. Pour into the desiccator to the ceramic platform.Lay out insects on the platform in a horizontal position, only on filter paper, of course, at least in several layers.I usually have 10 layers .Well, it depends on the quantity.which you need to spread out at a time and from the size of the insect, Keep a large piece of 2-3 days a trifle one night.That's all.What can be the methodology here?Everything is very simple.

What alcohol!! Medical. Pour into the desiccator to the ceramic platform.Lay out insects on the platform in a horizontal position, only on filter paper, of course, at least in several layers.I usually have 10 layers .Well, it depends on the quantity.which you need to spread out at a time and from the size of the insect, Keep a large piece of 2-3 days a trifle one night.That's all.What can be the methodology here?Everything is very simple.

What is the concentration? 96%, 75%, 40%

What alcohol!! Medical. Pour into the desiccator to the ceramic platform.Lay out insects on the platform in a horizontal position, only on filter paper, of course, at least in several layers.I usually have 10 layers .Well, it depends on the quantity.which you need to spread out at a time and from the size of the insect, Keep a large piece of 2-3 days a trifle one night.That's all.What can be the methodology here?Everything is very simple.

Yes - a simple technique.
1. Do insects become more brittle after drying than when soaked with water?
2. Do they change the color? Especially butterflies?

No. they do not become brittle or change color.Moreover, they can withstand long-term storage at temperatures up to -40 degrees and are not "kept" when transferred to heat.

Last. Do I understand correctly that alcohol does not come into contact with the filter press?

Yes, of course.The paper is placed on a ceramic platform,and the liquid is placed under the platform. Distance from 1 cm to 3 cm between the liquid and the platform. But this is not essential.It is also important that you always need a lot of alcohol,but this is already a problem. Therefore, I also recommend using "singe vodka".If you can get it now, of course.Now the problem has already become.But maybe there are some in the regions.However, not all the "singe" in this case is relevant.Many are simply harmful to both health from fumes and insects.I once had a recipe for making it,but now I can hardly find it.

does anyone have a problem with regular water? 0_o
Here I take a plastic container, put cotton wool on the bottom, fill it with water, but push it so as not to push it too much, and put ordinary paper on top. Beetles are soaked from 15 minutes to several hours. Some of them sometimes have to be held for a day or two. but this is very rare.
I put butterflies in almost the same way, only instead of a sheet of paper on the bottom I put it with the letter M, and in the "letter M" I put the butterflies themselves ( if they are not impaled ). from an hour to 1 day and can be straightened.
For butterflies on a pin, I put a lot of cotton wool on the bottom and pee well, and pins with butterflies in the cotton wool, but so that the butterflies themselves do not touch the cotton wool. Large butterflies are usually soaked for 1 night.
In general, no problems and tricks..

Yes, of course.The paper is placed on a ceramic platform...
It is also important that you always need a lot of alcohol,but this is already a problem...
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Thanks! I will definitely try your method.
And alcohol is just not a problem...

This post was edited by Papaver - 11/25/2009 03: 54

does anyone have a problem with regular water? 0_o
Here I take a plastic container...
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In general, no problems and tricks..

Brother Ripper! Why not try a new method? Especially since you, a colleague, yourself complained about what happened. groups don't crack down very well... In addition, alcohol eliminates the other problem-mold.

This post was edited by Papaver - 11/25/2009 03: 52

Brother Ripper! Why not try a new method? Especially since you, a colleague, yourself complained about what happened. groups don't crack down very well... In addition, alcohol eliminates the other problem-mold.

This method is far from new. Ask Omar,a and see the posts here from as early as 2007.

And what happens to the green color of butterflies in alcohol vapors ?

Yes, Omar has long recommended this method.
The fact is that where there are no problems with water - why spend money on vodka or alcohol?
And where there are problems - with thick heads, hardly anything will help, but it's worth checking ))

The guest reminded me of Irina.
Yes, there will be no mold in alcohol, that's for sure.I tried this experiment once.But some of the butterflies are "numb".Some showed fragility of the abdomen.
After that, I give preference to water.Sand or cotton wool-it doesn't matter.

I have a question for the experts.
As you know, many moths attach importance not only to the wings, but also to the bodies.This is especially true for hawkmoth, saturnia, cocoonworms, etc..In many large hawkmoth and saturnia, the abdomen is deformed.I.e., the abdomen becomes flat and dented.Spread out flawlessly, such a belly kills all the aesthetics of the work(especially the female).Maybe someone knows how to straighten and soak such "bellies" without damage (hairs)?

The guest reminded me of Irina.
Yes, there will be no mold in alcohol, that's for sure.I tried this experiment once.But some of the butterflies are "numb".Some showed fragility of the abdomen.
After that, I give preference to water.Sand or cotton wool-it doesn't matter.

Me too. Because I remember very well that alcohol actively absorbs water. In chemistry, there is even a method of drying over an alcohol surface. So, I can't imagine how you can soak a dry butterfly with a drying preparation In the case of using vodka, you can still talk about something, but if you use pure alcohol...

Admit it, guest!

Admit it, guest!

It doesn't seem to be her. Sugercete wrote the word "problem" correctly.

This method is far from new. Ask Omar,a and see the posts here as early as 2007 ... ... ...

And I didn't say that this is absolute know-how. I just haven't tried it personally ---> this is a method not yet used by old Papaver, if anyone doesn't understand.

This post was edited by Papaver - 25.11.2009 20: 01

Please come back to my question.I strongly request!

taler try to blow the abdomen with air through the syringe.

Please come back to my question.I strongly request!

Yes, it is possible, of course, with the straightening nezatyagivat (hawk moth-saturnia), but not the fact that it will dry beautifully (wingless moth)...
However, this is unpredictable, and then it is simply impossible to fix it...

to Taler: Bellies for the perfect look should be prepared from fresh butterflies.Do you need such a hemorrhoid ?With proper drying and transportation, they already come out nothing...
As for soaking in alcohol-definitely dries the butterfly, I think vodka is not much better.

to Taler: Bellies for the perfect look should be prepared from fresh butterflies.Do you need such a hemorrhoid ?With proper drying and transportation, they already come out nothing...
As for soaking in alcohol-definitely dries the butterfly, I think vodka is not much better.

That's not the question..It is clear that it is better to straighten immediately, but in some cases the abdomen shrinks all the same..That's the problem..And maybe someone knows a method to level it at least a little

There is a vasheto method: an intersegmental incision is made at the bottom of hawkmoth and Saturnia, the intestines are wound on a needle with a notch (hook) and then clogged with small cotton balls.. Diarrhea is still the same, but everything is perfect (if the hands and eyes are in place at the preparator) But what about wingless moths?

There is a vasheto method: an intersegmental incision is made at the bottom of hawkmoth and Saturnia, the intestines are wound on a needle with a notch (hook) and then clogged with small cotton balls.. Diarrhea is still the same, but everything is perfect (if the hands and eyes are in place at the preparator) But what about wingless moths?

Exactly about this I unsubscribed.

Men are a problem.The Dynastes tytus beetle is light olive in color, after proper soaking on large pebbles, it pierced the right elytra with a needle,after 10-15 minutes a small dark spot appeared in the area of the needle puncture on the elytra from above.Within 2-3 hours, the spot spread to 1/3 of the elytra.Put the beetle completely in pure alcohol, removing the needle from the beetle.A day later, I took it out and after the alcohol dried out, the beetle was covered with a layer of fat, even its legs.The black spot on the elytra remained the same size.Re-placed in alcohol for three days,then removed, covered with ground pumice crumbs.After 12 hours of fat, the fat visually disappeared from the beetle,but the spot remained after drying on the elytra.Light beetle-a dark spot. Men help mi please-I believe bekauze sorry.Large 68 mm, expensive-what can you recommend in this situation!Thank you in advance!

Guys-just please don't write that throw it out on..........(the color is good)!!!

Instead of alcohol, it is better to use another organic solvent - acetone or chloroform

Guys-just please don't write that throw it out on..........(the color is good)!!!

Dynastes must first be dealt with in flight. Then dip in 700-800 ml of pure (aviation) gasoline. Wait for 2-3 days until the fat turns the gasoline yellow. Then wet the entire mat at a fast pace but carefully. base this copy with filter paper.
There is another way, I used it at my own risk with belofonny goliaths, achieving snow-white and velvety black, but I'm afraid it may not be suitable for dynastes.

This post was edited by Macroglossum-09.01.2010 01: 15

There is another way, I used it at my own risk with belofonny goliaths, achieving snow-white and velvety black, but I'm afraid it may not be suitable for dynastes.

What's the method?

What's the method?

Yes, I just cooked 3-4 hours in two liters of water with the addition of 2 spoons of washing powder of the "Tide" type

Dynastes must first be dealt with in flight. Then dip in 700-800 liters of pure (aviation) gasoline. Wait for 2-3 days until the fat turns the gasoline yellow. Then wet the entire mat at a fast pace but carefully. base this copy with filter paper.
There is another way, I used it at my own risk with belofonny goliaths, achieving snow-white and velvety black, but I'm afraid it may not be suitable for dynastes.

700-800 liters...

700-800 liters...  

Well, it was typoed, now I'll fix it

Put the beetle completely in pure alcohol, removing the needle from the beetle.A day later, I took it out and after the alcohol dried out, the beetle was covered with a layer of fat, even its legs.

Fats, contrary to popular belief, do not dissolve in alcohol, but they are well soluble in gasoline, acetone, ethyl acetate, and other polar solvents.