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17.06.2010 12:42, sergeySVK

Tell me, pliz, who knows where you can buy a normal desiccator ? Entomon doesn't have a damn thing on it. I tried here the other day with a butterfly samopalom - nothing happens.

17.06.2010 12:48, Victor Titov

Personally, I bought it at the Medical Equipment store (there is one in Yaroslavl). It must be available in stores that sell laboratory equipment. In principle, you can easily replace, for example, glassware for microwaves.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 17.06.2010 12: 49

17.06.2010 12:54, Victor Titov

Follow these links to online stores that sell desiccators. You can also "Google" it.
http://www.vnir.ru/catalog.php?binn_rubrik_pl_catelems1=206
http://apexlab.ru/index.php?productID=11194

17.06.2010 14:25, sergeySVK

Thank you so much

21.08.2010 17:10, fayst79

I do the following:I take a temporary needle and prick the butterfly.
I put butterflies in the desiccator on penolast. Water does not come in contact with the foam.I put bags between the rows. These bags
are usually found in shoe boxes.
There were no problems

25.08.2010 11:39, sergeySVK

And how important is the distance in the desiccator from wet sand to butterflies ? I don't have a lot of sand, so the distance is about 5 cm.
It costs a day-hard ones still, even small checkers. Maybe because it's getting colder ? Or do you need a lot of sand ? I had to put the desiccator on a bucket of hot water. I'll see what happens tomorrow.

26.09.2010 14:06, nikita4orlova

And how to soak hawk moth?
I've heard that when soaking them, their abdomen becomes deformed...

16.12.2010 22:23, Сергей71

Good day to all! "Inherited" received a large amount of material (butterflies). The memory of a very good person, I would like to put in order.
Everything is on mattresses, very old from the 70s-80s, but surprisingly in good condition. The desiccator, straighteners, and pins have already been removed from the storeroom. The question is: is there any specificity in soaking such an ancient material? Fundazol, as an anti-moldy drug is suitable? Carbolic acid is nowhere to be found. In parallel, I began to put my youth collection in order, so the question is in pursuit: Who can I get pins from? On the bird how many times I don't go-the pavilion is closed.

17.12.2010 13:00, mikee

In parallel, I began to put my youth collection in order, so the question is in pursuit: Who can I get pins from? I don't go to the bird show for as long as I can - the pavilion is closed.

Go to their website entomon.ru and order it. There are also phones there.

29.03.2011 21:29, nikita4orlova

I apologize not quite in the appropriate topic posted a question
I saw some when spreading lepidoptera use film. I would like to know what is better to use film or tracing paper?.. Thank you.

02.04.2011 3:51, Сергей71

I apologize not quite in the appropriate topic posted a question
I saw some when spreading lepidoptera use film. I would like to know what is better to use film or tracing paper?.. Thank you.

Since my pioneer childhood, I was taught to use transparent cellophane, such as packaging for bouquets. It seems to be working out pretty well. The tape is cut to the width of the wing and forward )
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08.07.2011 22:57, niyaz

After catching the butterflies (glassworms), I put them each in a separate triangular paper envelope, where they dried up, while their bellies flattened. Tell me after soaking the abdomen will take the same rounded shape?

08.07.2011 23:32, Melittia

After catching the butterflies (glassworms), I put them each in a separate triangular paper envelope, where they dried up, while their bellies flattened. Tell me after soaking the abdomen will take the same rounded shape?


No, he won't accept it!
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08.08.2011 14:21, Сергей71

In many places on the forum, I read that you can wash lepidopters with Galoshes, but I didn't understand how. Please tell me the method, and then sushnyak was going to edit here, and the glass panes were catastrophically reconciled and some scoops.

I join the above question.

With beetles, everything is more or less clear - bultykhnul in rectified gasoline and ready. What about straightened butterflies? Bathe in gasoline and spread it out? What does it mean to clean with pumice stone? (I've seen this expression several times.) Thank you in advance for your answers.

08.08.2011 15:24, Sergey Rybalkin

Since my pioneer childhood, I was taught to use transparent cellophane, such as packaging for bouquets. It seems to be working out pretty well. The tape is cut to the width of the wing and forward )

Tselofan is torn, I also practiced it earlier, tracing paper is better, I have been using it for many years...

08.08.2011 16:34, Konung

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08.08.2011 19:29, Коллекционер

I have a male Cossus cossus a few weeks after spreading became like a boudreau wet on the abdomen, what is it? how to get rid of it?

08.08.2011 19:40, vasiliy-feoktistov

I have a male Cossus cossus a few weeks after spreading became like a boudreau wet on the abdomen, what is it? how to get rid of it?

To You here Read this, read that topic.
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08.08.2011 19:59, scarit

Yes, in large butterflies, fat is released from stress after spreading. In this case, you can wrap the abdomen with toilet paper for 5-6 days. Only change the paper more often.

31.08.2011 11:49, Сергей Николаевич

Is it possible to spread the beetle's wings after soaking?

01.09.2011 20:52, Коллекционер

Is it possible to spread the beetle's wings after soaking?

I tried with barbel - but it just fell apart in part

03.09.2011 17:03, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Colleagues, I ask for advice on soaking.

There is an old copy of a poorly preserved small (smaller than blattella) cockroach. Back in time immemorial, it was broken and glued together by no one knows what.
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It is necessary to carefully separate the top of the abdomen for preparation. All soaking options are completely undesirable, because most likely the instance will fall apart.

Apparently, you will have to drip water in a dosed amount (moisten it with a brush?) apply to the abdomen until it is sufficiently softened. I couldn't think of anything better. Maybe someone can advise the best option?

PS. The specimen is not from my collection, otherwise I would not have bothered, but simply converted the insect to alcohol.

03.09.2011 17:59, barko

Colleagues, I ask for advice on soaking.

There is an old copy of a poorly preserved small (smaller than blattella) cockroach. Back in time immemorial, it was broken and glued together by no one knows what.


It is necessary to carefully separate the top of the abdomen for preparation. All soaking options are completely undesirable, because most likely the instance will fall apart.

Apparently, you will have to drip water in a dosed amount (moisten it with a brush?) apply to the abdomen until it is sufficiently softened. I couldn't think of anything better. Maybe someone can advise the best option?

PS. The specimen is not from my collection, otherwise I would not have bothered, but simply converted the insect into alcohol.
Break off the entire abdomen and the whole is short.

03.09.2011 20:12, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Still, you'll have to soak it a little first. In cockroaches, the abdomen is very "likes" to break not where it was planned (the break often goes along the sclerites, they are more fragile and important structures are often located on them).

03.09.2011 20:34, barko

Still, you'll have to soak it a little first. In cockroaches, the abdomen is very "likes" to break not where it was planned (the break often goes along the sclerites, they are more fragile and important structures are often located on them).
Then it is all the more necessary to separate the entire abdomen. First, moisten it and try to separate it from the thorax with a microknife in the first segmet area. At the scoop, I know very well how to do this.

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03.09.2011 20:40, barko

Colleagues, I ask for advice on soaking. ...
Apparently, you will have to drip water in a dosed amount (moisten it with a brush?)...
I have heard that in order to remove a butterfly or beetle from a pin without soaking, you drop ammonia into the puncture site. Allegedly, this is enough to soften the tissues that have dried to the pin and at the same time the wings do not change their position.

03.09.2011 20:49, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Thanks!

So I will do: first soften a little, and then separate the abdomen. I can't think of anything better.

I have also heard about ammonia, it is very tempting, but there is a commandment: never try a new technique on a unique copy.
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06.09.2011 7:29, Maksim M.

A terrible story about the massacre:grasshoppers-Dukes and kristata, decided to soak, 2 pcs each.7 days I pour water+fairy T=80C, 5-6 times a day, and they only have the final joints began to give in to the effort to bend back, some claws fell off on the first day.Question:than self-serving and economical Thai Chukchi poisoned these krasavchegs, the material is not old, there is experience in soaking dry exotics, the physical condition of dry joints initially approached the state of frozen glass!I will continue the operation further than it ends-I will tell you.

06.09.2011 11:26, Bad Den

IMHO-in gasoline kupali
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08.09.2011 8:05, Maksim M.

I tried on the Volga nedosushennyh kr. grasshoppers immediately degrease 95 gasoline, in order to avoid loss of color and yellowing, the result is negative:the animals became inflexible, fragile and lost the richness of green colors,as a result, I did not take all of them, God forgive entomology.

10.09.2011 22:17, John-ST

Is it possible to spread the beetle's wings after soaking?


I tried with barbel - but it just fell apart


You can spread your wings, it all depends on how they were stained, how long the beetle was in the stain, and how they were soaked. Beetles overexposed in EA, the webbing breaks apart when unfolded, even fresh ones, and not just soaked ones. Often, when hot soaking, the beetles also disintegrate.

11.09.2011 12:03, Maksim M.

Continuation of strs. stories.10.09 after posesheniya 5-fair,grasshoppers dealt successfully:the plasticity of the joints appeared along with the flexibility of the long segments of the legs-the lower leg and thigh.The cephalothorax and body remained plastic.When the legs were straightened, the knees and abutments to the body crunched terribly-as if they had broken off.It seems so far everything.

11.09.2011 12:17, vasiliy-feoktistov

Continuation of strs. stories.10.09 after posesheniya 5-fair,grasshoppers dealt successfully:the plasticity of the joints appeared along with the flexibility of the long segments of the legs-the lower leg and thigh.The cephalothorax and body remained plastic.When the legs were straightened, the knees and abutments to the body crunched terribly-as if they had broken off.It seems that's all for now.

I already" Harlequin " (a rather big beetle) spread: yesterday's, from the congress (at 10 pm I put it to soak and already "soaked"). It all depends on how the insect was dried.

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11.09.2011 19:34, Maksim M.

2 female goliatus,2 big horned after the congress, too, were killed and are drying up-strsh. the story was about grasshoppers and ended with minimal losses!

17.09.2011 4:08, Сергей71

Hello everyone Who knows how to preserve the color when soaking yellow-colored butterflies? Previously, I encountered similar discoloration in yellow forms of Melanargia galathea and Melanargia parce. And now the male Anthocharis damone has "bleached" in the desiccator and has become similar to the usual A. cardamines near Moscow eek.gif

17.09.2011 13:06, Nicetas

When soaking (previously they were perfect) green motes, the scales on the veins turned yellow. Has anyone come across a similar one, how to deal with it?

This post was edited by Nicetas - 17.09.2011 13: 07

19.09.2011 15:51, AGG

green moths can not be soaked! there are no such methods yet, just edit right away. you are lucky that only on the veins, and usually they completely turn pale yellow. If, of course, someone knows the way, please share. I am owed wink.gif
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13.10.2011 17:29, rhopalocera.com

Today it dawned on me: soaking in plastic boxes (sealed boxes for milking microwaves) makes the decontamination procedure very simple. 5 minutes in the same microwave-and there are no mushroom spores.

13.10.2011 17:57, lepidopterolog

Mushrooms on butterflies very often settle alas. You mean decontamination of dishes only, don't you? smile.gif

13.10.2011 18:07, rhopalocera.com

Mushrooms on butterflies very often settle alas. You mean decontamination of dishes only, don't you? smile.gif



Yes, the dishes. In order that nothing settles on the butterflies, I add a little potassium permanganate to the soaking liquid.
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