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The season of hunting for butterflies in the Moscow region has begun

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02.04.2008 17:55, NicoSander

Today I found a male Lycia, it will dry out, I'll post a photo jump.gif

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03.04.2008 20:06, Tyomochkin

Late photos)

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13.04.2008 18:56, Tyomochkin

On the night of April 11-12, I went night fishing in the suburban dacha village of Korostelevo. I'll tell you right away-I went for years. In general, I caught 7 scoops, but I saw only 14 types of scoops, and 2 moths (I may be wrong). It's made of butterflies. The beetles were dung beetles and may beetles, and they just attacked... I think there will be hawkmoth at the end of April...
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13.04.2008 19:00, Zhuk

May beetles?! eek.gif Nitsche how early!

13.04.2008 19:05, Tyomochkin

One is still alive here... I decided to take him home as a miracle)

13.04.2008 19:13, Victor Titov

Yes, May beetles are clearly not in the topic, it's a little early. They also have no additional food to pass through - the trees are only a few with sprouted leaves...

17.04.2008 19:46, А.Й.Элез

Yesterday's little things from a mobile phone (Serpukhov district, the weather is overcast almost all day).

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17.04.2008 21:38, mikee

Yes, May beetles are clearly not in the topic, it's a little early. They also have no additional food to pass through - the trees are only a few with sprouted leaves...

April 13, but caught in the evening of the 11th smile.gifAnd there were already quite a lot of them.
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18.04.2008 9:39, amara

18.04.2008 10:18, Bad Den

I'm wondering what is the resolution of your camera?
Quite good cameras began to be put in phones, judging by these pictures.

This is a SonyEricsson K750i, Camera 2 Mp
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30.04.2008 11:57, А.Й.Элез

Small things from your mobile phone. 23.04.2008, Serpukhov district Transl. cloudy weather, windy.

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30.04.2008 12:12, Tyomochkin

Need some advice! So I decide whether to go to the Moscow region for night fishing, or not! What do you say? I wonder if the hawk moth hasn't appeared yet!? ... Do you think it's worth going at all?

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30.04.2008 12:30, Nozer

Need some advice! So I decide whether to go to the Moscow region for night fishing, or not! What do you say? I wonder if the hawk moth hasn't appeared yet!? ... Do you think it's worth going at all?

It's a good ideasmile.gif, I'm sorry I have the flu, otherwise I would have gotten out myself. Only now, except for moths and shovels, nothing flies, maybe silkworms only. Hawk moth probably isn't here yet. In general, the night is still only + 10 (too cold)

30.04.2008 12:51, Tyomochkin

Did anyone happen to go fishing in the past few days?

06.05.2008 17:10, Sergey Didenko

I catch every night on a lamp on the outskirts of Moscow, the years are almost zero, and last warm night (at one o'clock in the morning plus 15) nothing flew at all!!!
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15.05.2008 20:09, Tyomochkin

The Hawkmoth didn't show up?

15.05.2008 20:22, AntSkr

The Hawkmoth didn't show up?

See fishing reports.

23.05.2008 17:13, Ilia Ustiantcev

People! Please tell me how many more days there will be in the MO years of Egeria. Does anyone know the station in the Belarusian direction no further than Kubinka, near which it would fly in not very small numbers?

26.05.2008 18:35, А.Й.Элез

For example, in the vicinity of platf. Skorotovo lives (Zvenigorodskaya branch of the Belorusskaya railway), along a clearing from the railway in the direction of Raevo (although I haven't been there in recent years; they say they cut wood along the clearing; but the population is not a point, so you can find it. I have no information about the dates for this year. In general, on this side of the railway to Raevo there are also less significant clearings, clearings in the forest, I have also been there.
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26.05.2008 18:44, Ilia Ustiantcev

Thank you, I've already been advised by Morozzz on the platform before! smile.gif

27.05.2008 23:21, А.Й.Элез

A snapshot from your mobile phone.
Parnassius apollo L.
Moscow, Kutuzovsky Prospekt, 2/1.
Indoor.
Night of May 27-28, 2008

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28.05.2008 14:03, Andylog

Wow! In Moscow, Apollo is already flying indoors! And it's a little early for summer..

28.05.2008 15:01, omar

Yes, go, after the rains on the city lawns, the pupae got wet, and it was not easy wink.gif

28.05.2008 15:22, Sergey Didenko

If every forum participant living in Moscow plants a purge bush and plants a pair of Apollo caterpillars on it, they will breed and fly like whiteflies. smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

28.05.2008 15:32, AntSkr

I am interested in the question, when they wanted to restore the Apollo population near the PTZ, why did nothing work out? Was the population imported too small or some other factors?

28.05.2008 15:50, Pavel Morozov

An attempt to reintroduce apollo was made in 1989. Most likely, a complex of factors played a role - perhaps too few butterflies and the rapid degeneration of the population, but rather an anthropogenic factor.

28.05.2008 21:09, mikee

More recently, about 3-4 years ago, a certain Ryazan entrepreneur tried to restore the apollo population in the area of the Oka Nature Reserve (read in a local newspaper) and nothing happened. At the same time, just 50 km away, the Apollons fly right on the bank of the Oka River. So understand what they are missing.

28.05.2008 22:21, Dantist

About the Apollo reintroduction http://voronezh.rfn.ru/rnews.html?id=26343

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29.05.2008 3:15, А.Й.Элез

I am interested in the question, when they wanted to restore the Apollo population near the PTZ, why did nothing work out? Was the population imported too small or some other factors?

First, the person who carried out the reintroduction believes that the fact is that the main clearing (where in 1992 butterflies flew at least 12 in the field of view) was mowed down by a huntsman from the nearest cordon. It was indeed mowed down for hay, despite the forbidding decision of the reserve's management. However, it should be pointed out at once that the apollo caterpillar pupates at approximately the same time as the mnemosyne imago leaves, i.e., in the main mass, the apollo should have time to pupate before mowing.
Secondly, the only time I noticed a butterfly (male) emerging from the pupa was at the end of June 1992, just outside the reserve. The fatal mown clearing is by no means richer in cleaning than a number of sites, primarily located just outside the protected area.
Third, my personal observations in 1992 show a very large bias in the sex ratio in favor of males, while in 1991, for example, such a bias was not observed. However, the responsible person does not confirm my observations for 1992 and claims that there was no distortion this year either, but it was after the clearing was mowed down that the number of butterflies began to fall sharply and the last (7 individuals) were seen, I think, in 1994.
Fourth, we can refer to the general poverty of the territory of cleaning, especially after the occupation of the field between the highway to Luzhki and the edge (at the beginning of the village for cottages), but this is the least significant factor. In other areas of the species ' habitat (for example, the same Lighthouse), you can't find even one and a half tails for a whole clearing, and there are enough butterflies there, they have enough of that cleaning, and they find it better than we do. In other places, there is more than enough cleaning (as in the vicinity of the PTZ, for example), but there is no apollo.
Fifth, chemical air pollution in the region as a whole could have played a negative role, as industrial enterprises in the city of Serpukhov (also along the river) are located in the city of Serpukhov. Oka lying above the reserve) and still function. In particular, as far as we know, there is a reinforced concrete plant.
Sixth (this is due to the third and fifth points), it is possible that the stonecrop, which is like a succulent, a reservoir of liquid, is able to actively collect all their chemical trash with precipitation and turn from feed into poison. The degree of this ability and the degree of sensitivity of apollo caterpillars to such changes in plant chemistry have yet to be determined by science, but in principle we believe this connection is very possible. If this is true, then the question of the fundamental possibility of reintroduction of apollo is greatly complicated; if the cause of the extinction of the species somewhere is not a violation of the biotope, in particular, which led to the destruction of a forage plant, and not some nonsense like "collector's catch" and other bread horror stories invented by legislators, then the reason is such ecological changes, which, if irreversible, make the extinction of apollo in this place irreversible.
Seventh (the obvious but least influential factor): some very experienced caterpillar caregivers (including apollo) he told me that even in the conditions of partially open balcony rearing, riders hit caterpillars with a violation of the sexual proportion, as a result of which females (if all other causes of mortality are completely eliminated) are born less than males. This was observed not only for apollo, but also for other species, especially those where females are on average noticeably larger than males. Obviously, the rider in these cases has no actual sexual preferences, but has in instinct a program for laying eggs on a caterpillar (and the ability to identify such a caterpillar), which has great prospects for growing fat and, accordingly, as a host for the rider larva is more profitable. With a small population size, this, of course, can also play a certain role in its final fate.
Eighth, the main purely natural factor in the Apollo extinction is the afforestation of open areas. That's why they are successions, so that one thing replaces the other. This is how, if I'm not mistaken, the last population in the Darwin Nature Reserve was destroyed. The trouble is that previously the territories were "opened" by fires, but now no one will allow forest fires, no matter how "reserved" the regime is. As a result, this exclusion from the "reserve" allows the forest, with the slightest distortion of the season in the direction of humidity, to flood even yesterday's still settled area. The nature reserve, which excludes both fires and continuous logging, one way or another inevitably leads to the extinction of Apollo. Therefore, where the species is preserved in the conditions of the industrial era, it is confined (with the exception of meadows along the banks of rivers or lakes, as a rule-along pine banks!) just in time for the places of anthropogenic impact, no matter what the women from science say. It is confined either to areas of continuous deforestation (such are huge areas in the Lighthouse), or to roads and railways, especially abandoned ones, or to the clearings of gas pipelines and high-voltage lines, which are regularly visited by departmental axmen do not allow to become overgrown with forest. This does not negate the most important conditions of the biotope (including the forage plant, the general ecological situation, climatic conditions, etc.) and applies only to lowland subspecies (the mountains of, say, the Caucasus and Central Asia are a completely different matter).

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29.05.2008 3:29, А.Й.Элез

Just in case, I will add that, as far as I know, 450 tracks were released; the material was taken from the Kaluga and Vladimir regions.
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29.05.2008 12:17, mikee

I can say that in the Ryazan region there is a significant preponderance of males at both stations known to me. Females are solitary when there are up to 10 butterflies in the field of view at the same time. At the same time, females are NOT larger than males, I would even say, mostly smaller. If there is an opportunity, I will check these observations this year.

29.05.2008 14:47, Tyomochkin

Tomorrow I leave for the Moscow region, then to Tambov. What can you catch from hawkmoth now? Reports on fishing for something do not shine with hawks, although they should already be in full force...

29.05.2008 18:27, Ducat

Tomorrow I leave for the Moscow region, then to Tambov. What can you catch from hawkmoth now? Reports on fishing for something do not shine with hawks, although they should already be in full force...

Yes just the weather recently was so to speak not flying smile.gif

29.05.2008 18:34, Ducat

As for the hawk moth, I think you can count on Mimas tiliae, for example. True, the last time I caught it myself was somewhere in late April, mostly various scoops that were banal for spring flew.
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29.05.2008 22:25, Grigory Grigoryev

It seems to me that in June the entire set of" Moscow region " hawkmoth should already fly. Almost all types are June.

29.05.2008 22:29, AntSkr

It seems to me that in June the entire set of" Moscow region " hawkmoth should already fly. Almost all types are June.

More precisely, everything except for migrants flying in July-August.

02.06.2008 18:43, А.Й.Элез

Mobile phone images.
Parnassius apollo L.
Moscow, Kutuzovsky Prospekt, 2/1.
Indoor.
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03.06.2008 11:38, Sergey Didenko

Summer will come to Moscow or where? There are still no moths in the mass. Last night, except for small moth flies and a cloud of mosquitoes, there was nothing at all. If next week and near Tambov the same garbage will be possible to say that the best period has passed by...

03.06.2008 18:36, Pavel Morozov

Yeah, I was at the dacha from Saturday to Sunday TRYING to collect the light.
+3 and nothing, not even a mosquito. The screen is completely blank.

Only the steam from the mouth in the cold light of the DRL dissolved into the frozen darkness, taking on bizarre shapes.

You can't put this result in fishing reports.

03.06.2008 18:48, AntSkr

And I flew a little at +7 ... although this weather is incomparable with last year's June heat...

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