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Traps - methods and publications. Barber, tree crown, window ones, etc.

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Black Coleopter, 20.08.2009 17:41

Crown traps - from now on, please go into more detail. Is this by any chance a window trap with a cone for accumulation??? What kind of retainer do you use? Please tell us more about these traps

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13.01.2010 14:02, Трофим

I Crown trap – is an ordinary plastic bottle with a square cutout in the middle.
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To install a crown trap, and as a rule, several of them are installed, you need to have at least 100 m of nylon thread and heavy weights, to which the thread is tied, and then thrown over the tree.
The length of the nylon thread depends on the tasks that the installer sets for himself, as well as on his patience and available time. It can take up to 30 minutes to install a single trap.
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II Bait is a fermented liquid of its own preparation. To do this, you will need: a drunk can of compote with the remaining fruit at the bottom → then 3 liters of water are poured into the jar → 3 tablespoons of sugar are thrown→ the liquid is defended for 4-7 days→ before leaving for nature, 3 tablespoons of salt are poured (so that the beetles rot less in traps).
Attention!!!
1) When salt is poured, there is a violent reaction, so you only need to mix salt with braga in the bathroom, otherwise everything will go on top, like champagne
2) When pouring braga into bottles, you should not forget that the reaction continues, so before using braga as bait, you need to release the air very carefully from the bottle, as if you are opening mineral water, only more slowly and carefully.
Slide # 7
III Setting traps. If you have all the necessary elements, the next step is to install the traps themselves.
1) The first step is to choose the location of the trap installation...
2) Unwinding the required number of threads and unfolding the thread so that it does not catch on grass, branches and other debris
3) taking up a position.. aim.. and throwing the sinker on the necessary branch, the average height of the trap installation is 9-10 m
4) after the transfer, the sinker goes down by releasing the thread
5) when the sinker reaches the ground, it is cut off, the bait is poured into the bottle, the bottle cap is unscrewed, then the thread is inserted there, the lid is twisted, and then the bottle is raised as a flag. and tie the thread to the nearest bush.

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13.01.2010 14:24, Трофим

I don't know what these guys were doing in Kronova. And most importantly, what attracted them more, the braga itself, or insects. Especially interesting is how the mouse climbed a tree to a height of 10 m (well, that's okay), and then climbed into the bottle.

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13.01.2010 14:59, Alexandr Zhakov

I don't know what these guys were doing in Kronova. And most importantly, what attracted them more, the braga itself, or insects. Especially interesting is how the mouse climbed a tree to a height of 10 m (well, that's okay), and then climbed into the bottle.


These guys were looking for cover. I won't talk about the species, the bat catches insects only in flight, but it lives in hollows, so it got into your crown trap, but it couldn't get out. The same story happened with sonya, the second animal is not a mouse, but a dormouse. They live like squirrels in trees, only their way of life is nocturnal, this one could get caught behind insects and braga, but I just explored the "hollow" more chances.
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25.01.2010 18:09, Трофим

To date, the most famous are the soil traps of Barber. There is someone to refer to, there is literature, publications and methods. And here's what about the rest of the popovod. I am primarily interested in crown traps, who is the inventor, and whether there are any publications and techniques. Who knows what please share links, publications. Especially the method is needed and the author (kronovye).

25.01.2010 18:12, Трофим

Here's an example of what I used. What can you say about this?
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=94459&st=50#

28.01.2010 3:24, Black Coleopter

And who knows what is the correct name for a trap in the form of a bottle with sweet bait for hanging on a tree???

28.01.2010 16:19, RippeR

"sweet bug bottle" smile.gif

28.01.2010 20:03, Aleksey Adamov

To date, the most famous are the soil traps of Barber. There is someone to refer to, there is literature, publications and methods. And here's what about the rest of the popovod. I am primarily interested in crown traps, who is the inventor, and whether there are any publications and techniques. Who knows what please share links, publications. Especially the method is needed and the author (kronovye).


Just accounting for Barber traps is one of the most controversial methods.

So publications on this topic will also be useful to many.

01.02.2010 16:45, Трофим

However, so far no offers have been received. As in the diploma I then obozachatsya on popovdu traps? A sweet bottle for beetles is not bad, but I'm afraid they won't understand the humor.
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01.02.2010 17:14, Трофим

I found an interesting job http://www.zin.ru/animalia/Coleoptera/rus/tsurik4.htm

01.02.2010 18:08, Papaver

However, so far no offers have been received. As in the diploma I then obozachatsya on popovdu traps? A sweet bottle for beetles is not bad, but I'm afraid they won't understand the humor.

What are you suffering from? So call it: a crown trap with a fragrant bait.
In the "Materials and Methods" section, specify that the known types of traps did not fully meet your requirements (in detail). As a result, they were modified by you. Well, the description of the trap... It is possible with reminiscences like " Unlike the classic version..."
Good luck!

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02.02.2010 0:23, Black Coleopter

So call it: a crown trap with a fragrant bait.

I don't agree!!! A root trap is a kind of window trap, but only highly suspended. A "sweet bottle for beetles" has nothing to do with crown traps.

02.02.2010 0:49, Papaver

I don't agree!!! A root trap is a kind of window trap, but only highly suspended. A "sweet bottle for beetles" has nothing to do with crown traps.

Yes, do not agree as much as you want! smile.gif
Let's take a look...
I helped a German on the Yenisei to set traps, which are sticky sheets slyly thrown into the crowns. He told me (b / w translator) that this is a CL. Is he right or wrong? I think so: does it work in Krona? That is, we know about at least 3 types of crown traps: window traps, sticky traps, and those with a smelly bait.
Well, in general, the typology of traps, as far as I remember (who knows-will correct), no one was engaged. So maybe it will be correct to call them just by the combination of place and principle of operation?

02.02.2010 1:05, Shofffer

Main principle: zhivolovka or not.

02.02.2010 1:09, Papaver

Shoffer, I agree!
Here is another, or rather the main , characteristic of the trap...
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02.02.2010 21:40, RippeR

I don't agree!!! A root trap is a kind of window trap, but only highly suspended. A "sweet bottle for beetles" has nothing to do with crown traps.


why is it necessarily a kind of windowing? The crown is exactly what is hung in crowns, isn't it? Window - trap with the use of an invisible plane for insects, about which they beat-since they usually take window glass for this, this is probably why it is called window. If you make a light trap and hang it in the crown of a tree, it will also be a crown trap, but a light trap.

So if you write in the work - then you can write something like-I used a crown trap based on a luring substance. The trap itself was made from a 2-liter bottle, and a fermentation-based liquid was used as bait ..... It can be said that the secret optimal for traps of this type was developed and tested by scientists and amateurs from Western Europe.
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04.02.2010 22:23, Black Coleopter

since they usually take window glass for this, this is probably why it is called window glass.

It is absolutely not necessary to have a window, both plexiglass and material for laminating documents are suitable.

04.02.2010 22:25, Black Coleopter

I helped a German on the Yenisei to set traps, which are sticky sheets slyly thrown into the crowns. He told me (b / w translator) that this is a CL.

Are cls crown traps or glue traps???

04.02.2010 22:31, Black Coleopter

About "sweet bottles for beetles": on the ecological label for Fiber, k-raya safely came to fermented sugar syrup, wrote: A trap with fermented sugar syrup on an oak tree. And it was suspended, not at all in the crown.

04.02.2010 23:01, Papaver

Are cls crown traps or glue traps???

Yeah... Quickly wrote - in the context of understanding, indeed, you can do two things. But it was, of course, about the kronovs (=KL)... yes.gif

04.02.2010 23:04, Papaver

About "sweet bottles for beetles": on the ecological label for Fiber, k-raya safely came to fermented sugar syrup, wrote: A trap with fermented sugar syrup on an oak tree. And it was suspended, not at all in the crown.

Well, who's arguing? So write: odorous trap (fermented sugar syrup) on the trunk of an oak tree. Shorten it yourself... wink.gif

05.02.2010 0:01, guest: IchMan

What's the argument about? There is such a word in the Bourgeois language-bait-bait
Search for "bait-trap" and you will see a lot of links. In general, traps (or rather, collection methods) are divided into neutral (mowing, Malaise, window traps), where everything falls in a row, and selective or attractive (light, with sweet or not so much bait, pheromone, yellow pan-traps, etc.). What else is there to classify?
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05.02.2010 0:09, IchMan

And where and how this trap will be installed is already secondary. There are, however, combined types of traps - the simplest example is when beer or some other brodilov is added to the usual pitfall trap with a retainer, so that the coveted fishing objects climb there more actively.
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05.02.2010 7:37, Black Coleopter

Either carrion or manure is laid. But then you need to specify. I write like this: Soil traps on a piece of rotting meat.

05.02.2010 11:29, Sugercete

What is a funnel trap for water beetles? How does it work? What do they put there as bait?

Thank You

05.02.2010 13:08, Трофим

I think this book will be interesting for many people
http://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/tsurik1.htm

P.S. A more detailed version of the link I posted earlier. http://www.zin.ru/animalia/Coleoptera/rus/tsurik4.htm

05.02.2010 13:11, Трофим

About "sweet bottles for beetles": on the ecological label for Fiber, k-raya safely came to fermented sugar syrup, wrote: A trap with fermented sugar syrup on an oak tree. And it was suspended, not at all in the crown.


Still agree 10-13 m (in my case) this is closer to the crown. On one linden tree, even 16 m. The only thing I can't make it easier yet is the process of throwing a sinker, the nylon rope has to be unwound first, then laid in strips. And be sure not to reach a couple of meters to the target, the thread will get tangled in the grass. frown.gif

05.02.2010 13:54, Sugercete

Still agree 10-13 m (in my case) this is closer to the crown. On one linden tree, even 16 m. The only thing I can't make it easier yet is the process of throwing a sinker, the nylon rope has to be unwound first, then laid in strips. And be sure not to reach a couple of meters to the target, the thread will get tangled in the grass. frown.gif


I, a woman, know how to solve this problem.

Wrap the cord around a glass bottle and then throw it. The cord slides off the bottle during the flight of the load, as if from an inertia-free spinning reel. Here smile.gifis
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07.02.2010 14:12, Black Coleopter

What is a funnel trap for water beetles? How does it work? What do they put there as bait?

Thanks

Yes, there is such a trap. It is a 1.5-2 liter plastic bottle. The upper part of it is cut off and inserted with the throat inside. Liver, cat food, stew, etc. are used as bait.

P. S. For a better understanding of all of the above, I will attach a drawing a little later.

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08.02.2010 17:38, Трофим

I, a woman, know how to solve this problem.

Wrap the cord around a glass bottle and then throw it. The cord slides off the bottle during the flight of the load, as if from an inertia-free spinning reel. Here smile.gif


And where will the bottle be at this moment? Spinning in the air? And the question is not even in the reel itself, which can be taken from the same spinning rod and mounted on a tripod, so that during the flight of the cargo, the reel is untwisted (I have the thread so on the reel). The question is how to give more acceleration to the sinker with the least braking. A spinning reel will still slow down (even if it is on a tripod). Now, if you install a coil on a crossbow, but it will be expensive.

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08.02.2010 19:06, Sugercete

And where will the bottle be at this moment? Spinning in the air? And the question is not even in the reel itself, which can be taken from the same spinning rod and mounted on a tripod, so that during the flight of the cargo, the reel is untwisted (I have the thread so on the reel). The question is how to give more acceleration to the sinker with the least braking. A spinning reel will still slow down (even if it is on a tripod). Now, if you install a coil on a crossbow, but it will be expensive.


I'll explain.
Hold the bottle by the neck in your left hand, and in your right hand hold the cord with the load and spin, and then throw. With your right hand, hold the bottle upside down in the direction of the cargo's flight.
So my dad in the 70s flashed on the pond.

08.02.2010 20:57, Papaver

They also used the bottle... smile.gif
Do not complicate with coils and crossbows-the best option is a small, but preferably high, saucepan. tongue.gif

09.02.2010 4:04, Tomas.Adzkee

And who caught what beetles in the crown traps?
How well do they perform their function?
I believe that their efficiency is an order of magnitude lower compared to the soil ones from the calculation of the number of beetles caught per day.. After all, it's not so easy for beetles to get into the trap, as it seems to me...

09.02.2010 11:30, Дзанат

To be honest, I can't imagine how to throw a rope at such a height (13-16m) so that it gets to a certain place… It is not easier to climb a tree, reducing the distance at least. confused.gif On a one-day hike, when you need to set a lot of traps, walk a lot and work quickly, if possible, the saucepan is not practical, the bottle is easier to carry.
Then it should be a special, purposeful exit? confused.gif

09.02.2010 11:37, vasiliy-feoktistov

To be honest, I can't imagine how to throw a rope at such a height (13-16m) so that it gets to a certain place… It is not easier to climb a tree, reducing the distance at least. confused.gif 

Or from the" slingshot " weight to shoot? smile.gif
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09.02.2010 12:16, Дзанат

the saucepan is not practical, the bottle is easier to carry.
confused.gif

Vasily, this is even funnier smile.gif smile.gif
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09.02.2010 12:24, vasiliy-feoktistov

Vasily, this is even funnier smile.gif  smile.gif

Yes, the mood is joking, I'll just smile.gifgo post zlatok.

13.02.2010 0:59, Egorus

Last season I used traps made of plastic bottles.
Long installation time in the most frequently visited places.
Without bait. Catch sampling is irregular. Catch: ground beetles, medlyaks, cadaver-eaters, and little babies.
The loss of material due to" eating " is small. The main thing is not to allow filling
with rainwater, for which the holes are made. Internal insert, for easy
catch selection. I made the parts for the drill myself, but I welded them from a welder I knew.
Especially valuable copies. I didn't catch it, but everything is ahead... smile.gif
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P.S. By the way, if instead of an internal insert, you put a bait, attach
a rope to the trap (and, probably, a load), and then flood it in a pond -
then this will be a funnel-shaped trap for water beetles. wink.gif
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14.02.2010 14:26, Egorus

Here is another collection with traps and techniques (it doesn't seem to be there).
http://zoometod.narod.ru/pdf/tzurikov.pdf
Despite the super-cool net with springs (smile.gif), from the entire selection,
a couple of ideas can be taken for practical use.
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