Literature

Sergey Yuryevich told me that he would be on the spot. Cursed land - only holidays. Lumpen is happy, you know. Now on NG-Christmas, all the mental hospitals in the country are littered with bodies-they used to drink for 4 days, now it's 10.

This post was edited by Yakovlev - 06.11.2010 18: 18

I was just passing by a bookstore. From biology there were two books - "encyclopedia" and "Notes of a naturalist" by E. Spangerberg.

For buying books, there are not only bookstores - I can tell you for sure. You can't buy biology books in shops or in Germany. Except for specialty stores in Berlin or attached to museums.

Roman, the L200 is practically not inferior in cross-country ability, with a load capacity almost like a Gazelle, and is much cheaper (especially in the minimal market). The only drawback is comfort.

Yes, I know, I'm thinking now... It's a good car. However, UAZ will probably be my choice. I believe in this car.

L 200 is often stolen , it is also called "someone else's car" I do not advise. In general, it is considered that out of 100% of the off-road capabilities of a car, 70% is tn "evil" rubber, 20% is the driver's skill and 10% is the car's own capabilities. Of course, we mean approximately equal machines in terms of capabilities.

This post was edited by vicgrr - 06.11.2010 18: 50

L 200 is often stolen , it is also called "someone else's car" I do not advise. In general, it is considered that out of 100% of the off-road capabilities of a car, 70% is tn "evil" rubber, 20% is the driver's skill and 10% is the car's own capabilities. Of course, we mean approximately equal machines in terms of capabilities.

I didn't know about hijackability, I thought (according to insurance reports for 2009) that now the most stolen Mitsubishi is the Lancer, followed by the Outlander XL and Pajero (IMHO, just because these three are sold more than the same L200).

This post was edited by Bad Den - 06.11.2010 19: 09

Alas Denis, first-hand info

>Lumpen you know how happy
he is so I'm not a lumpen after all! At least in something!

In Russia, a scientific book may not be very cheap, but it doesn't need to be expensive either.

Anyone can calculate the cost of a scientific publication themselves.
I suggest to do this, the following method.

Imagine that you have written a good and necessary monograph and decided to cover the costs of publishing it (samizdat schemes are the best known to me).
You have two options: 1) go to the publishing house of a scientific organization (university, institute, etc.); 2) go to the printing house.
I personally and not so long ago (2009-2010) was engaged in this. I went to the publishing house "SKNC HSE", where I was offered conditions that would immediately require me to increase the budget by 100-150%. This is how they evaluate their editorial work. This option had to be discarded.
Through the Internet, I found a whole pack of printing houses in Rostov-on-Don. On the first phone, I came across an" understanding " printing company. There I was interviewed in detail about the parameters of the planned book. I added an ISBN requirement. There were some difficulties, but the "desire for a new order and cash payment" did their job. Since normal printing houses always have regular customers-publishers, then the issue with the ISBN is solved. Thus, formally, the rights to the book are obtained by some other publishing house (some university), which will sell you the ISBN for about 2000 rubles. If this publishing house is conscientious, they will take about 20 copies from the circulation, for mandatory mailing, local libraries and for themselves.
Editorial work remains on your conscience.
Prices for printing are very much dependent on the printing method, quality and size of paper, binding (binding), circulation and color. These factors can be highly intertwined and produce a wide variety of price results. In modern printing houses, the range of possible combinations is very large.
Thus, at this point you will be clear about the cost of the most (desired) print run of your monograph.
When you withdraw the print run, you will be asked to distribute it. The most affordable way is via the Internet. It will be necessary to deal with the placement of ads (maybe even put them up in universities), this takes a lot of time. Then, when orders are received, you will have to run to the post office, stand in line to fill out forms (to cash on delivery), and then run to the same post office, stand in the same queue to receive payment. And so on for all orders that do not arrive on command.
By how much should the cost of the book be increased, from its prime cost after leaving the printing house?
You have spent a lot of time researching and writing the book, but we will assume that the cost of this time is a payment for the euphoria that you experienced from the positive results of your intellectual work (after all, you also have to pay for pleasure).
The time spent working with the printing house, working on the Internet (and possibly writing Web pages) and its cost, working with postal services (a lot of time and nerves) – all this, in my opinion, the author has the right to evaluate himself and express in monetary units (since he is unlikely to get pleasure from this).
In this way, anyone can estimate the cost of publishing a book (with specific parameters) themselves, if the "samizdat" path is chosen. This is the cheapest way to publish books, but not for the author personally, but for book buyers.

I have not tried to contact publishers who take all the expenses on themselves, and with them the entire circulation. I would be grateful for a similar description of such work on the publication of the book.

Through the Internet, I found a whole pack of printing houses in Rostov-on-Don. On the first phone, I came across an" understanding " printing company.

Now, even in St. Petersburg, it is not difficult to find an "understanding" printing house - the crisis, however. Some time ago, a man with an advertising poster called "let's print your book"was walking by the Chkalovskaya metro station

Prices for printing are very much dependent on the printing method, quality and size of paper, binding (binding), circulation and color. These factors can be highly intertwined and produce a wide variety of price results. In modern printing houses, the range of possible combinations is very large.

Recently, one of my friends showed me the latest issue of the magazine, printed for ~25,000 rubles. The quality is surprisingly decent (for such a price), the photos are of decent quality. But, of course, the cover is soft, the paper is not coated. Unfortunately, I don't remember the print run, but it was a "standard scientific" 100-200 copies. And these are the prices in St. Petersburg.

I have not tried to contact publishers who take all the expenses on themselves, and with them the entire circulation.

But this will be a commercial publication. In such cases, the author throws up his hands: "I would be happy to give it to you, but I have 1-3 copies myself." There is no need to talk about free placement on the Internet.

I would be grateful for a similar description of such work on the publication of the book.

IMHO, no different.

Adamov, thank you for opening the "secrets of book publishing". Your method impresses with the expected fuss at the distribution stage.
And most importantly, accessibility in the quantitative sense suffers greatly. That is, as I understand it, in this way you can publish a book for library use, for interested colleagues in a small print run, as they have already written here-100-200 copies. An amateur who visits bookstores and looks through katologs may never find out about this book, that is, the decisive factor here is no longer the price, but the circulation and information about the availability of the book.
And here the Internet can help, it will solve the problem of circulation, and the problem of information about the book's release.

I assume that under the USSR it was better, perhaps an amateur could not take it like this and publish his book(although it was self-published), but for a specialist the publication of the book was easier - he did not need to think about the price and distribution, there were centralized mechanisms for this.

To Adamov:

If there's anything I can do to help, I'll be happy to.

But in the "technical part" I am not very competent, because on duty I am engaged in the "scientific part" - editing etc.

Adamov, thank you for opening the "secrets of book publishing". Your method impresses with the expected fuss at the distribution stage.
And most importantly, accessibility in the quantitative sense suffers greatly. That is, as I understand it, in this way you can publish a book for library use, for interested colleagues in a small print run, as they have already written here-100-200 copies. An amateur who visits bookstores and looks through katologs may never find out about this book, that is, the decisive factor here is no longer the price, but the circulation and information about the availability of the book.
And here the Internet can help, it will solve the problem of circulation, and the problem of information about the book's release.

I assume that under the USSR it was better, perhaps an amateur could not take it like this and publish his book(although it was self-published), but for a specialist the publication of the book was easier - he did not need to think about the price and distribution, there were centralized mechanisms for this.

Given that in the digital age, your book (if it is interesting) will be scanned very quickly and distributed for free among friends and acquaintances, it will not be easy to sell out a print run of even 100 units. I sold the first edition of the catalog of diaries of the former Soviet Union for 4 years (300 copies), and still have a dozen books in my storerooms...

So I will scan it myself first of all, and I will distribute it in this case To pay 25,000 rubles for the publication and remain at a loss - this is not a very serious loss for the human body

So I will scan it myself first of all, and I will distribute it in this case To pay 25,000 rubles for the publication and remain at a loss - this is not a very serious loss for the human body

do you get paid for your work? and if you do not receive it for a couple of months , it will be a small loss for your body, right?

do you get paid for your work? and if you do not receive it for a couple of months , it will be a small loss for your body, right?

Inadequate comparison. I don't see writing a book as work in the conventional sense - with a cash equivalent at the end, it's not work, but work. It all depends on your motivation.
Although, 25,000 Russian rubles is not serious for a normal circulation, with an adequate price. The publication of such literature should be done with the support of the state, the price should be at least calculated to cover costs, or even unprofitable, enlightenment is the responsibility of the state, for which it takes taxes.

ha, cool. so you're just working, and the booksellers are so fucked up. I understand your position.

and the state doesn't owe anyone anything. high school is her responsibility. everything else is your glitches.

So I will scan it myself first of all, and I will distribute it in this case To pay 25,000 rubles for the publication and remain at a loss - this is not a very serious loss for the human body

I'll explain it in another way. I zplatil say the same 25k ru. you stole from me from them say 2k ru. what do you think, if I find out that it was you who stole these 2k ru from me, I will break your tower when I meet you, or will I smile sweetly?

ha, cool. so you're just working, and the booksellers are so fucked up. I understand your position.

and the state doesn't owe anyone anything. high school is her responsibility. everything else is your glitches.

What does "nasrano" mean? Post, but it's someone like )))
As for the state, I already see that it does not owe anything to anyone, before the state was a type of organization of society, then it became a commercial structure, and now it does not owe anything to anyone at all, I wonder what it is called?
And by the way, why do you have a female state? Whose glitches are these?

I'll break your tower

But but!

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What's "but-but"? You think if you hit me on the right pocket, I'll give you the left one? Wow, schazzz. I'll iron my shoelaces first.

What's "but-but"? You think if you hit me on the right pocket, I'll give you the left one? Wow, schazzz. I'll iron my shoelaces first.

I believe that a person who writes to another person that if he downloads scans, then he violates the laws, and therefore I will never invite him to my home, otherwise you never know what he wants, should respect the law, because "breaking the tower" is a competitive method that it was very popular in the Paleolithic period, although it went through centuries and appeals to humanity, and became a classic, but it is not supported by modern laws.

And in general, do you know who shouts the most- "stop the thief"?

Adamov, thank you for opening the "secrets of book publishing". Your method impresses with the expected fuss at the distribution stage.
And most importantly, accessibility in the quantitative sense suffers greatly. That is, as I understand it, in this way you can publish a book for library use, for interested colleagues in a small print run, as they have already written here-100-200 copies. An amateur who visits bookstores and looks through katologs may never find out about this book, that is, the decisive factor here is no longer the price, but the circulation and information about the availability of the book.
And here the Internet can help, it will solve the problem of circulation, and the problem of information about the book's release.

I assume that under the USSR it was better, perhaps an amateur could not take it like this and publish his book(although it was self-published), but for a specialist the publication of the book was easier - he did not need to think about the price and distribution, there were centralized mechanisms for this.

Yes, that's for sure. There are very few chances to find scientific literature in bookstores. Print run, usually 100, because I noticed it correctly rhopalocera.com, copying will start soon enough. The print run can be 500, but this is very rare.
Universities produce collections of abstracts (annual conferences), so they are often designed in such a way that they are completely distributed among conference participants (full-time and part-time), and there is nothing for an outsider to buy. This, in my opinion, is worse than an ad on the Internet and 2/3 of the circulation in the pantry.

By the way, a couple of times I sent theses to such collections solely for the purpose of getting copies! But it is not cheap (in comparison with the calculations, according to the scheme published by me).

I believe that a person who writes to another person that if he downloads scans, then he violates the laws, and therefore I will never invite him to my home, otherwise you never know what he wants, should respect the law, because "breaking the tower" is a competitive method that it was very popular in the Paleolithic period, although it went through centuries and appeals to humanity, and became a classic, but it is not supported by modern laws.

And in general, do you know who shouts the most- "stop the thief"?

You're a strange man. If you have a couple of strong guys on the street who ask for money and call your mobile phone, will you give them back? And you won't even regret it? You wrote above - they say that it will not lose from your 25 rubles if I steal a pair for myself (I will make a scan, give it to my friends). You, in general, openly positioned yourself as a thief. And the thief should be in prison ((C) Zheglov)

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Uv. rhopalocera.com so who do you write for if you don't want your colleagues to have access to your work?

You're a strange man. If you have a couple of strong guys on the street who ask for money and call your mobile phone, will you give them back? And you won't even regret it? You wrote above - they say that it will not lose from your 25 rubles if I steal a pair for myself (I will make a scan, give it to my friends). You, in general, openly positioned yourself as a thief. And the thief should be in prison ((C) Zheglov)

I wrote above that if someone makes a scan from my book, which I will publish, and distributes it to friends,then I will not complain about this. In addition, some of my articles are on sites without authorship, and I only remembered this now. And I don't say anything about the pictures at all. This is so, to the supposed objections that I haven't written anything yet and am flaunting it.

But you, alas, openly positioned yourself as a slanderer, and slandering is a very vile occupation, and illegal, by the way.

Uv. rhopalocera.com so who do you write for if you don't want your colleagues to have access to your work?

Probably, it was necessary to write - for what

You're a strange man. If you have a couple of strong guys on the street who ask for money and call your mobile phone, will you give them back? And you won't even regret it? You wrote above - they say that it will not lose from your 25 rubles if I steal a pair for myself (I will make a scan, give it to my friends). You, in general, openly positioned yourself as a thief. And the thief should be in prison ((C) Zheglov)

You once used a wonderful icon: do not feed the troll!

on the last 3 posts

Guys, do you really think I don't have enough money? xD. I do everything at my own expense. it's more convenient for me. but I don't like being stolen. I am fundamentally against theft. I was robbed, and it was extremely unpleasant. distributing scans of fresh books - no matter how noble your goals may be-does not change its essence. this is theft, and those who do it are thieves.

But if you think about it, commercialization harms science. If important works are unavailable because of the price, then at best someone will reinvent the wheel and publish similar ideas or results - which others will cite. At worst, the work will be available mainly to colleagues from rich countries (more precisely, from countries where science is normally funded) - and ours will be in one obscene place.

You once used a wonderful icon: do not feed the troll!

Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg, do you also want to grab a piece? If yes, then we will compete for trophic resources, if not, then why troll ropalocera?

Stanislav, please understand that "stealing"in this case is not out of malice or greed, but out of great grief. We grew up when we had reason to expect to pursue science without material deprivation. Then an abnormal situation arose in the country: when the "superstructure" of a developed country, and the economy of the 3rd world. Well, not everyone can afford to leave or find a cash income - and you want to work...

You know... If a TV set is stolen from me, "out of grief", this will not make the fact of theft a fact of charity. So it makes no difference to me who stole it, how, or for what reasons. All that matters is what you stole.

if my TV sets are stolen, I'll probably be happy - there will be an extra place. throw them away is a pity, give a shame-old, now only flat look

We have already expressed all our attitude, but there are still some nuances. which won't convince anyone.
1. Scans of new books - this is theft, for me unacceptable or how.
2. Scans of new books are theft, but you can do it if you really need it or really want to.
3. Scans of new books are not theft, because I don't take a book, but information.
4. All tags should be scanned and uploaded to the network, let everyone use the information.
Everyone decides for themselves, everyone has their own truth. We will not come to a consensus. There will be no truth.

if my TV sets are stolen, I'll probably be happy - there will be an extra place. it's a pity to throw them away, it's a shame to give them away-they are old, now only flat.

I have everything in order in this sense - there is no TV at all, although I was recently given a TV set.. 70 of some year of release, so I made a tube amplifier based on it, and I'm completely satisfied )))
About the fact that now only flat watch - that's for sure, and flat as TVs and TV shows!

There used to be movies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPt8FOwBAOg&feature=related

Everyone decides for themselves, everyone has their own truth. We will not come to a consensus. There will be no truth.

Of course, everyone decides for themselves and there will be no truth, but let's respect each other's interests!

Everything repeats itself, I have already written that it is personally unacceptable for me to put a book in the public domain, knowing that by doing so I will harm my colleague. Although I am a supporter of the free dissemination of information.

Just a few days ago, I came across a scan of my friends ' books on the Web. Books that are new and potentially commercial. My first thought was: why the fuck did they put it out, the print run probably hasn't sold out yet! Like that.

I have a specific suggestion for everyone who publishes commercial and potentially commercial publications!

Duplicate all taxonomic acts and data that you can't do without in non-commercial, and preferably freely distributed, publications! This is in the best interests of the author, as it increases the citation rate and will not lead anyone into temptation.

Lenya, this is great, of course, but what will it look like in practice? Sp. n. for the same taxon in two publications with different release dates is, from the Codex's point of view, the appearance of two objective synonyms with homonymy. If the indication that this is the original description is only in one work, then the situation will be bad in its own way in two variants. Namely, if a taxon is declared new in a commercial publication, then a bona fide auditor will still have to apply to it (moreover, the copyright holder - for example, a publisher - can file a lawsuit against the author for uncoordinated republication of a passage). If a commercial publication does not contain primary descriptions, its value will drop significantly.

Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg, do you also want to grab a piece? If yes, then we will compete for trophic resources, if not, then why troll ropalocera?
Imagine, I'm also against stealing, but posting scans is not stealing. There is no element of theft here. Theft involves objective processes related to the transfer of a particular object to the thief's ownership, and the victim loses the object.

If the scans are posted, nothing passes to the property of the person who posted them, and the victim does not lose anything. We are talking about "lost profit", and this is a very crafty term.

And yet, this is a violation of the letter of the written Federal Law "On Copyright and Related Rights".

“Today, a Moscow bus ride costs 28 rubles. Therefore, 100 trips - 2800 rubles “ " A. Y. Elez.
In the 80s (I repeat a little), the average salary was 120 rubles. You could hand over 3 bottles, buy a pack of Orbita (30 kopecks) and get 6 kopecks in change.
The book "Entomology” by G. Ross (1985) (photo 1) cost 3 rubles. 50 kopecks ( it was not available for free sale, the bibcollector received only 6 books per region, as I remember), and" Illustrated Encyclopedia of Insects " (Artia, 1977) (photo 2) – 15 rubles. which corresponds to 1/34 and 1/8 of salaries (I repeat Yakovleva).
In Israel, the common people are usually paid by the hour and make 21 shekels ($5.5).
For an 8-hour working day, 3,800 shekels ($1,055) is issued per month. To buy a pack of the cheapest cigarettes (15 shekels = $ 4.1), you need to hand over exactly 50 cans-bottles.
About books… I took, for example, the “User's Encyclopedia " on computers (photo 3) (by the way, I would never have allowed them, they were just thrown out by a bookstore right in their packages (at least 40 packages of 12 books each), and I was there...)
The price of one book is 275 shekels ($76) (photo 4), which is 1/14 of the salary.
So if we do not talk about the prices of cigarettes, housing, and utilities, which have increased a certain number of times, the purchasing power of books has remained approximately in the same range. Who buys what books is another matter..
“You have spent a lot of time researching and writing the book, but we will assume that the cost of this time is a payment for the euphoria that you experienced from the positive results of your intellectual work (after all, you also have to pay for pleasure)”. Adamov.
I agree that achieving a goal is more enjoyable than the goal itself. The euphoria was when I caught beetles all over the north of Israel for two years, without spending a shekel on trips (I worked with surveyors). The problems started later, but I won't describe the work on the Atlas (I already told you somewhere), it took several years.
Private publishers in Israel are a dime a dozen (here all businesses are private) and all “understanding”. Only everyone wants money and a lot. When you tell them that you only need to print from the disk without any editing, they are looking for something else to rip off. One publisher wanted “only " $ 50 to convert the book format to PDF. He explained how difficult it was, almost impossible. Interestingly, when I did this with a single mouse click on his computer, he didn't even bother.
In general, I found a publisher, agreed on the price, took out a loan from a bank and
paid him 5,200 shekels for 50 books plus 700 shekels of income tax.
1600$. The cost of the book is$ 32 (on some branch I wrote – $ 38, I bent it then, I made a mistake in my calculations, but there is not much difference).
Here, the book is, what's next? The seller wants a profit equal to the cost of the book,
i.e. if I have$ 50, then so does he. Unrealistic. Distributors (there are some)
want half of it. All without any effort with navar, except for the author.
Since the book has a certain purpose, you can put the price and $ 20 and $ 120 - for the layman it doesn't matter – they have completely different interests.
There were also those who offered to sell online for a fee,
But this is me with a mustache.
What I'm getting at. And all on the topic – more than forty books among you (and not only) have already sold out. And if some smart guy (no matter with what intentions) decides to put my Atlas on the Internet, I will be EXTREMELY offended and unpleasant (although I am not a greedy person by nature).
My respects!

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Uv. Sanangel, again, the question arises: why / for whom did you make this atlas? To make money on it or to convey your work to people and colleagues? I can guess that you want some kind of balance, but it is not possible everywhere and not always. However, I also have another consideration (I don't know how relevant it is for you, because I don't know the main type of your activity): having stated my views in the publication, I then see for myself in this circumstance a carte blanche to include them in my training course for students, at least as one of several existing points of view. For this pleasure sometimes you will agree to pay money

By the way, one more question. And after you manage to sell everything you want to sell, will you also be against posting atlas scans online?

This post was edited by PVOzerski - 08.11.2010 18: 41