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08.11.2010 18:59, Victor Titov

So if we do not talk about the prices of cigarettes, housing, and utilities, which have increased a certain number of times, the purchasing power of books has remained approximately in the same range.

Let's assume that the relative cost of books has remained roughly the same (although this is a moot point). But the question is that the costs of other (which is a sin to hide - often much more important) needs have increased significantly (if not more). Therefore, it is impossible to assess the purchasing power of the population in relation to books in isolation from spending on utilities, products, etc., etc. However, the spending of book authors on" life support " has increased no less than that of potential readers. One thing is clear-demand creates supply. If people buy published books, does this mean that they (the buyers) need it? Authors ' damage from posting scans of their works on the Internet is a lost profit. And the responsibility for its "appropriation", in my opinion, is more in the civil law than in the criminal field. Therefore, it is not entirely correct to call any actions to distribute scans (photocopies, etc.)"theft". I will make a reservation - this is if such actions are disinterested for the distributor itself. If such a distributor himself seeks to achieve commercial benefits from his activities, this, in my opinion, is morally piggish and a crime, if such an act is prosecuted in a criminal manner under the law of the country where such actions are committed.

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08.11.2010 19:35, Victor Titov

That's how we respect someone else's work. Then I will probably turn to the gentlemen who believe that it is necessary to work not for money, but for pleasure.

I have a plot of land in my village. Small, six hectares. Would you like to plow it and plant potatoes on it? Well, once every 2 weeks weeding and hoeing. I'll thank you very much for this.

The example is incorrect. Do you have a piece of land because you can't support yourself, much less your family, if you don't have it? Somehow I doubt it. If you enjoy digging in the ground, the flag is in your hands. And there is no need to invite assistants for agricultural work - do you not enjoy yourself alone on your land?

By the way, I myself do not feel any pleasure from farming, I did not start garden plots "for food" and, God forbid, I am not going to (a dacha is different

, not in the generally accepted sense), and always, even in the most difficult times, I considered myself able to earn money for myself and my relatives and for potatoes, and for everything that is attached to it (and, it seems, I justified my calculation and justify it). Although, maybe the needs of me and my family are not so high?

08.11.2010 19:42, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Lenya, this is great, of course, but what will it look like in practice? Sp. n. for the same taxon in two publications with different release dates is, from the Codex's point of view, the appearance of two objective synonyms with homonymy. If the indication that this is the original description is only in one work, then the situation will be bad in its own way in two variants. Namely, if a taxon is declared new in a commercial publication, then a bona fide auditor will still have to apply to it (moreover, the copyright holder - for example, a publisher - can file a lawsuit against the author for uncoordinated republication of a passage). If a commercial publication does not contain primary descriptions, its value will drop significantly.

Pasha, you don't understand me. We are not talking about double publication, but about the fact that it is better to do new descriptions in normal magazines, and not in expensive color books.

In fact,.... gen. et sp. nov. you can publish it in a magazine and then include it as a commercial book in color. Or vice versa.

moreover, the copyright holder - for example, a publishing house - can sue the author for uncoordinated republication of a passage).

You need to carefully choose publishers and read the contract texts

In fact, even our copyright law has a "citation for scientific purposes" clause.

If a commercial publication does not contain primary descriptions, its value will drop significantly.

For whom? It seems to me that large and beautiful atlases are aimed more at the "general public", for which the" nomenclature act " is associated with some other act.

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08.11.2010 19:50, Hierophis

Sanangel, some kind of strange average salary came out in the 80s, at least at the industrial enterprises of Ukraine, this was not even the case for engineers, I'm not talking about the salary of workers, which then could easily be about 400-500 rubles.
In addition, in Ukraine, salaries are 1000dol. at the moment, for the proletariat, including from science, if they are achievable, then there is no longer enough strength and desire to catch butterflies. But books on "computer science" are quite similar-50-100dol. easily.
This leads to a relative increase in the price of books in general. Of course," businessmen " have more opportunities in this sense, so a businessman-collector will certainly easily buy the mentioned Atlas and all the other books that he needs.
Hence, we can conclude for whom commercial books on entomology are available in the post-Soviet countries. So go the right way, "comrades"

As for whether it is considered theft to distribute sakonv books, or another type of offense, it is still better to consult lawyers

, and I suspect that the result will strongly depend on the amount for the consultation, up to the conclusion of the foriulirovka about the full legality of the placement of scans. Jurisprudence is a very strange and complex "science".
But it seems to me that the concepts of "theft" and" theft " have nothing to do with the distribution of scans at the level of the law. This is some other type of offense.

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08.11.2010 20:03, Hierophis

For whom? It seems to me that large and beautiful atlases are aimed more at the "general public", for which the" nomenclature act " is associated with some other act.

Edition of 100-200 copies. for the general public? Yes, there are simply no large and beautiful atlases on entomology for the general public. It seems to me that such literature is bought by collectors who are well aware of the nomenclature act.
Rhetorical question: if there is an Atlas with primary descriptions and for the same price - just an Atlas-determinant, then who will prefer which book? Personally, I would buy with the first description. Well, at least from the principle of "and to bulo"(although I don't really need this first description for anything, but just "for the collection").

08.11.2010 20:16, Bad Den

And I suspect that the result will strongly depend on the amount for the consultation, up to the conclusion of the foriulirovka about the full legality of the placement of scans. Jurisprudence is a very strange and complex "science".
But it seems to me that the concepts of "theft" and" theft " have nothing to do with the distribution of scans at the level of the law. This is some other type of offense.

It is, of course, in a capitalist society like this: a person is someone who has money.

However, the record of a criminal record in the LD remains a record of a criminal record, no matter under what article.

Of course, there is an aspect that not every copyright holder has the capabilities and means to bring the violator to justice (Microsoft does not always succeed). However, the point is that in the foreseeable future, the same torrents will be outlawed.

08.11.2010 20:27, Hierophis

Of course, there is an aspect that not every copyright holder has the capabilities and means to bring the violator to justice (Microsoft does not always succeed). However, the point is that in the foreseeable future, the same torrents will be outlawed.

About Microsoft and its policies-I recently read a news story that said that microsoft decided to reduce the prosecution for illegal copies of its programs, justifying this by saying that the government uses this as an excuse to put pressure on dissidents. Microsoft also banned its lawyers from participating in such cases. So

it seems to me that if they wanted to, everything would have worked out for them, it was just that piracy was profitable for them in terms of monopolizing the market. Otherwise, many people would have mastered Linux.

As for books - in general, the situation is very strange, according to some ideas that are currently possible, it is beneficial for a person to spread his ideas and thoughts to a wide range of individuals in the population, and in theory the more copies will disperse - the better the goal will be achieved( as with biological reproduction), but no! The main thing is to "snatch a piece"

Dawkins - in flight)))

08.11.2010 20:28, Victor Titov

As for whether it is considered theft to distribute sakonv books, or another type of offense, it is still better to consult lawyers, and I suspect that the result will strongly depend on the amount for the consultation, up to the conclusion of the foriulirovka about the full legality of the placement of scans. Jurisprudence is a very strange and complex "science".

It's a bit insulting to define law as "very strange and complex", and even when the word "science" is used in quotation marks (probably because I have a second degree in law

). It always seemed to me that just law is the most accurate (if I may say so) of all the humanities.

But it seems to me that the concepts of "theft" and" theft " have nothing to do with the distribution of scans at the level of the law. This is some other type of offense.

That's what you think.

Criminal liability for such acts may arise under Part 2 of Article 146 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation: it will be called "illegal use of objects of copyright or related rights, as well as the acquisition, storage, transportation of counterfeit copies of works for sale", and if such actions are committed on a large scale (i.e., the cost of copies of works or the cost of rights to use objects of copyright and related rights will exceed fifty thousand rubles), the guilty persons may be punished in the form of a fine in the amount of up to two hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of wages or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to eighteen months, or compulsory work for a period of one hundred up to two years ' imprisonment. But if the same actions are committed by a group of persons by prior agreement or an organized group, or (and) on a particularly large scale (when the cost of copies of works or rights to use objects of copyright and related rights exceeds two hundred and fifty thousand rubles), or if the person (s) commit such actions using their official identification number. They may be found guilty under Part 3 of Article 146 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and imprisoned for up to six years with a fine of up to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convicted person's salary or other income for a period of up to three years (or without it). 7.12 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation is also possible (I won't use these terms, and I think I'm tired of it anyway). But in any case, the occurrence of legal liability requires the presence of a selfish motive - the extraction of illegal income from this activity. Once again, I apologize for the lengthy digression into Russian legislation.

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08.11.2010 20:36, Hierophis

It's a bit insulting to define law as "very strange and complex", and even when the word "science" is used in quotation marks (probably because I have a second degree in law ). It always seemed to me that just law is the most accurate (if I may say so) of all the humanities.

I think you understand the stereotypes that prompted me to make such statements about jurisprudence

Then, in our time, with the help of money, even in such an uncompromising science as mathematics, miracles are done - control tests full of errors get a score of 10-12, and therefore, the teacher fully recognizes that what is written there has acquired the correct values after the nth amount.

Well, a little philosophy - jurisprudence is a science, as I understand it, built on logic, but it is based on formalisms that are not perfect and not very unambiguous. Not for nothing they say - "the law is like a drawbar, where you turn, there it goes"

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08.11.2010 21:14, rhopalocera.com

Edition of 100-200 copies. for the general public? Yes, there are simply no large and beautiful atlases on entomology for the general public. It seems to me that such literature is bought by collectors who are well aware of the nomenclature act.
Rhetorical question: if there is an Atlas with primary descriptions and for the same price - just an Atlas-determinant, then who will prefer which book? Personally, I would buy with the first description. Well, at least from the principle of "and to bulo"(although I don't really need this first description for anything, but just "for the collection").

for a print run of even 200 copies, the author can spend an exorbitant amount for him, counting on at least its return. you forget, gentlemen thieves, that even the most megatalented writer of books wants to eat. and if out of 200 copies, 150 will be lying on the shelf, because the good Vasya has already scanned the book and posted it on the network - he will not be up to peddlers. you want information, don't you? do you want it to be free? Don't confuse linux with entomology, I'll tell you what.

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08.11.2010 21:18, Sanangel

PVOzerski
It is impossible to earn money by selling 50 books, even if you sell them for$ 200 (because much more has been invested in them over the years of writing). I don't want to pursue this topic further. We don't live in an altruistic world. In all ages, artists have sold their canvases, and writers and poets have sold their works. Why was there no such book in Israel? It's very simple - even if there was someone to write something like this (there are professors at the university) - then they perfectly saw that in the end they would have booooolshy ZERO, because there is no one to sell it ( there are not a dozen bug collectors). By the way, some professors post their works on the Internet for a considerable fee (I can give a link if necessary). The state is capitalist - no one will get up for nothing.
Of course, I would be pleased if the Ministry of Education printed my book for every school and library, and I would get some share, as it was once in the Union, but, but, but...
I don't have any students, so I can't have the pleasure of "presenting my views in a publication, seeing for myself in this circumstance a carte blanche to include them in my student training course, at least as one of several existing points of view." (I didn't understand the phrase-I'm a little stupid)
"And after I manage to sell everything I want to sell, I will also be against uploading atlas scans to the Network " by SOMEONE, without my permission. Moreover, for the resulting "broth" I do not buy a tomato to eat, but postpone it for the second edition, which is almost ready and supplemented with many new species.
And also, it's not far from there, go to the Zoological Institute, say hi to Lobanov from me, evaluate my Atlas that I gave to the Institute. (I don't just sell, I can also give it away, depending on who.)

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08.11.2010 21:34, rhopalocera.com

kovyl

because THEY WILL STEAL IT and I will GIVE IT BACK MYSELF-these are very different things. if they steal from me , I beat my face, break my arms and legs (17 years of martial arts, a black belt, and other attributes), and I'm right. in some states, a hand is cut off for theft. I imagine a crowd of armless "entomologists" sitting in front of a computer.

there are certain standards of decency. for the world of scientists, it is accepted that these norms are raised to the absolute. of course, not everyone follows them. but we must strive. one of these rules is don't steal.

by the way, taxa were stolen from me when I was still a student. they were stolen by people you all know well, who are now venerable entomologists (two, however, have already passed away). and at the same time, they had the decency to mix me with shit in their publications. still, there is too much competition in lepidopterology, there are too many inadequate people in it. Have you never seen the Bang Haas parnassus collection? I saw. half-empty boxes. do you know why? stolen by museum visitors, collectors. imho, people who are sick all over their heads - standard material on some Parnassus can no longer be found.

are you still in favor of stealing?

08.11.2010 21:56, kovyl

because THEY WILL STEAL IT and I will GIVE IT BACK MYSELF-these are very different things.
by the way, taxa were stolen from me when I was still a student. they were stolen by people you all know well, who are now venerable entomologists (two, however, have already passed away). and at the same time, they had the decency to mix me with shit in their publications. still, there is too much competition in lepidopterology, there are too many inadequate people in it. Have you never seen the Bang Haas parnassus collection? I saw. half-empty boxes. do you know why? stolen by museum visitors, collectors. imho, people who are sick all over their heads - standard material on some Parnassus can no longer be found.

I know the difference, I'm not stupid.
But you still haven't explained my question.

Then, how can I steal a taxon from an article? I didn't understand

if they steal from me , I beat my face, break my arms and legs (17 years of martial arts, a black belt, and other attributes), and I'm right. in some states, a hand is cut off for theft. I imagine a crowd of armless "entomologists" sitting in front of a computer.

are you still in favor of stealing?

I also know judo, karate, taekwondo and many other scary words