Literature

This year, I feel like I'm going to splurge on books :D

Chikolovets also has two books coming out in nov

let's wait... I hope the prices will be affordable

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I am a co-author in these books - write to me if you will buy. Shipping across the Russian Federation will be free of charge. There is no information about prices yet.

Approximately as for the previous volumes - as you know, this is not my price. As much as the publisher says so much and
I think they will cost about 130 E

let's wait... I hope the prices will be affordable

Approximately as for the previous volumes - as you know, this is not my price. As much as the publisher says so much and
I think they will cost about 130 E

Here's how the price information will appear - so we'll think about whether we'll buy :D

Buy or get scans

Buy or get scans

Thank you, Pasha, for your kind words. Borrow it. And give it to everyone. And I will personally tell you-thank you Pasha so much for your kindness.
We all make copies of books, but let's discuss this on the sidelines, not in front of the authors.

Roma, I didn't mean to offend or offend you in any way.Although the price of 130E will make anyone take offense.Prices from authors themselves generate piracy.You have to get back into a discussion about commercial and human literature.I just imagined how much such a book would cost at the dealer

It's scary to imagine (we know some dealers), but you can probably buy directly if you want, without feeding any dealers.

Expensive?
Very expensive?
It is not the author who sets the prices of books, but the publisher. And the dealer will also charge for delivery. Although, the author has every right to wring the price. Such books are created on expeditions, in long-term painstaking work with material and literature. In addition, the novelty of the work is important. Plus, illustrations.
This is not a detective story to scribble on a laptop at your dacha, like some Dontsova

Expensive? Is it a shame?
But let's look at the other side. How many packs of cigarettes or bottles of aries beer are there in these 130 euros?

100 liters of beer in 130 euros.
You can calculate it in another way: what is the average salary of an average entomologist and how many days he will have to go hungry and walk to work to buy such a book.

Nefig to complain about life.
Better find a part time job

It is better to make money not on the price, but on the volume and it will be good for everyone. And when the circulation (like everything else) is at a minimum, then there is little work.

Come on-the publisher sets the prices.The price is set by the author or owner of the book(if the author sold the rights).My father is constantly publishing in Russia.Ptashevsky (beetles of Israel) was published in Israel-25 green coins per copy.It's expensive-it's cheaper in Russia.In Ukraine it is even cheaper.

With this approach, the price of 10E for unpacking is also quite fair-how much hard work and time a person spends for unpacking.

As for the book,I don't know what it's about yet.The number of pages, photos,and tables still doesn't say anything about the quality of the book.I repeat-Nekrutenko bought "Denis Meteliki Ukrainy" - not from the author.The book caused delight in its quality and price, which is several times less than the ones presented.Maybe the books co-authored by the Novel will also match the price offered.
I saw a 2-volume book about horses at Den's.Price 250E.But the quality of the book was amazing-it is quite worth the money

It is better to make money not on the price, but on the volume and it will be good for everyone. And when the circulation (like everything else) is at a minimum, then there is not enough work.

Ju, a seasoned book publisher?
Entomological literature is not Dontsov's, millions of copies will not be swept off the shelves.

This post was edited by Bad Den - 10/21/2009 22: 52

100 liters of beer in 130 euros.
You can calculate it in another way: what is the average salary of an average entomologist and how many days he will have to go hungry and walk to work to buy such a book.

EVERYTHING !!!! I'll finish my drink, pass the container, and order "Parnassus of Tibet"!!!!
moreover, the notorious dealers charge money for delivery

Ju, a seasoned book publisher?
Entomological literature is not Dontsov's, millions of copies will not be swept off the shelves.

Dontsova at the price of 130 raccoons will also not diverge, even at the price of 13 raccoons-will not be, so they made the price such that it would diverge.
I witnessed a story with other special literature. As the publisher sensed the demand for the book, he... No, they won't print any more books.... increased the wholesale price. So if you don't have to, you won't have to.
Vaughn Peter then released for 500 relatives in retail Encyclopedia of daytime butterflies with an abundance of photos on each page and buyers were found. So there would be a will.

A good book with a normal price will sell.The problem will only be with the print run.
A good book with a different price tag will sell slowly.
Here it is up to the owner to decide which path to choose.

For example, the writer's book "butterflies of Thailand" was priced at 40 bucks from the author.Book shine, (who is familiar, will agree) the price too.One problem is that the circulation is not large.The author himself has only one left,everything went to dealers.The price they have, judging by their price lists from 100 to 200 green.But this book is worth even that much money.

I really wish Roman that his book would be no worse in quality and its price multiplied by 3-4 still corresponds to the quality.
After all, for the author, all his books are good,but we,the readers, are the judges.

I haven't decided for myself yet whether I'll take it or not-I'll wait for page scans and reviews

Vaughn Peter then released for 500 relatives in retail Encyclopedia of daytime butterflies with an abundance of photos on each page and buyers were found. So there would be a will.

500 rubles is approximately equal to 130 euros?

500 rubles - approximately 13 euros.

You know what I'm surprised about - the existence of this dispute at all.
Thanks to both Frost and Thaler to the Pashas.
You know, I was a student when Tuzov's two-volume book was published. I didn't even think about buying it or not. And then $ 250 was substantial money, you could live on it for three months. But I needed this book.
The fact that I will sell my 10 original Mongolia and Altai-Sayan-it's even ridiculous to question Only 4 orders from Novosibirsk. Therefore, I don't need to want to sell these books. You'd better wish me good health.
What is surprising to me is that the question arises as to what quality this book will be. I thought the butterflies of Palearctic Asia series was well-known to all those who study butterflies. 6 books have already been published there. And the three post - Autumn volumes-Tajikistan, Ladakh and Kyrgyzstan-are examples of printing and bookbinding. These are good books and they are pleasant to hold in your hands. That's for sure. Of course, some people will disagree with the interpretation of some taxa. We argued a lot. very. A huge number of types are photographed in the books, and ALL the literature is worked out, including endemic literature published in Kyzyl, Kemerovo, Gorno-Altaisk, and Barnaul. Our task was to quote everyone who published on the territory, and this was a very difficult task. Many entomologists publish only for themselves, for reports in microscopic collections, messengers, which are rightly called mass graves. But my colleagues met me halfway, for which I am grateful to them - Malkov, Bondarenko, Sushchev, Kopylov, etc.
As soon as I get the books, I'll put up the pages and cover.
Our next opus will be about Kazakhstan. Very few local people in this beautiful territory are published now. I took the trouble to find the sources. I will write to all universities with a request to copy out my articles if there are any. But there seem to be very, very few of them.
Also, I'm what surprises you about the price. Go to a bookstore and see how much a good album of reproductions costs-3-5 thousand, right?
And this is with large print runs. Here, too, excellent paper, good printing, sewn hardcover with gold lettering, supercover... What is the surprise of the price? A book with a circulation of 20000 without color pictures-an art book costs 300-400 rubles, textbooks cost 200-300 rubles each... A strange argument. In stores, go to bookstores and look at the prices.

I went to look in the Internet. http://www.bolero.ru/books/9785960301039.h...=butterflies%20world
5000 copies. 208 p. 2500 fig. 500 rub. Excellent paper, good printing, but no crowding, carpet, or hardcover. So you don't have to raise prices in all available ways.
Gold lettering... You can also encrust with emeralds and rubies and set them at an even higher price.
I perfectly understand people who start thinking, looking for scans and talking about commercial and human literature.

What do I care about hundreds of good books if I can't even afford one? .
And if there aren't enough scans, who needs such entomology-closed elite entomological clubs?
There are scoops of Ukraine - a great book-and it is worth nomralno-pleasant business.

So I also wrote about it.Roman misunderstood.Crowding, carpets - these are all technical details.Quality, as I understand it, is inside the book.Tables, photos-you should strive for this perfection.I held a lot of books in my hands,including the ones I needed, but I just kept them and didn't buy them.Somewhere the content of the text, somewhere reproductions left much to be desired.There are many books on entomology,but very few good qualifiers.
I agree with Ripper's remark.I don't quite agree with Roman.10 copies. and already 4 orders.5 people will be taken from the forum.The author is offended by the scans, although it almost intentionally leads to piracy.I can't understand it..And 50 copies ,say, for 80 euros, won't bring the same profit?

Oh my God, what are you guys talking about?
What the hell do you think that producing a book is just printing? Book production means collecting materials, processing thousands of images (!), making tables, visiting museums, and selecting a huge amount of literature. Think about the fact that we photographed and depicted 75% of the types on the territory that stand from Tomsk to London. This is the first one!
The second is that I was given 10 author's copies each. These are the terms of the contract. The price is not determined by me. This is the publisher's price.
And you, Ju-lia, I really ask you not to compare things incomparable. Pulling photos from everywhere and putting it all in one book is one thing, but trying to make a lit review is another. Collect all Phoebus quotes from the Altai territory. An ordinary atlas is a much simpler task than this kind of literature.
If you don't like the price, don't buy it. What's the problem?

This post was edited by Yakovlev - 28.10.2009 08: 49

Did I understand correctly that you also budgeted for books on Tuva and Moldova for your trip to London?

We do not think that the production of books is just printing, although we know very well that carpets, gold, etc. tinsel greatly increases the cost of the project.
And I don't need to talk about something that is not comparable, I just showed that there are opportunities not to put the price in 129E, if you remove all the design stuff.

Please, here is a project like this: http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/3996153/
http://shellclub.ru/index.php?mode=articles&id=215
All photos and diagrams are native (please note, these are underwater deep-sea surveys, which are not an example of more expensive), 2000 copies of c - 800 rubles. All invertebrates of the White Sea.
So you can produce a product at a budget price!!!!
That's what it's all about.

Please explain it to me. On fig scientific work healthy format in a hardcover of unaffordable weight, and even a dust jacket? What makes it more convenient to work with? It doesn't make the book any easier to use, but it does raise the price quite well.

Let's compare them! I've been watching this market for a long time. Tell me the author's name and I'll tell you the price of the book.

Oh, if it were only me! But not only will I not buy your book, but from those who liked it, who need it, and who would like to have it, not everyone will be able to afford it. That's what it's all about.

Yes, Yakovlev, if it's not a secret, where do you get the money for your annual trips to Europe?
This is not a small amount, even if the accommodation is paid for by Witt (which I doubt). I am not sure that the salaries of scientists and teachers are sufficient for such expenses. You once wrote that the salary of a teacher and a scientist is quite enough for everything, it is not much less than that of an office worker. You also go to Japan regularly. The average office worker can't afford to travel halfway around the world 3 times a year. I didn't want to mind my own business, but now I'm being egged on. Please excuse me.

The problem isn't the price,Roman.Everything is solvable here.Like you said-expensive-don't buy it.
Problem with rapid response to scans.
And the explanations don't seem to make much sense.

Topic-Announcements of new literature.
I suggest that you either split the topic into two or rename it.

Dear friends!
Why the question of where I get my money from?
Let's ask everyone who goes to Thailand, Borneo, or Italy the same question. Yesterday Ustyuzhanin returned from Swaziland. Where did he get the money?
Money is earned, donated, given for research, there are grants, there are projects, there are international programs.
And a poor entomologist who cannot escape from the abyss of lack of money is a normal person, there are no questions to him, and an entomologist who goes to London, Munich, Vietnam and the Congo is immediately a person to whom there are questions.
Omar writes that I egged him on. By what? By trying to work efficiently. By trying to see and shoot all the types.
Julia writes to me that I put tinsel in the book. The quality of the series was determined by the editor and publisher. When I was included in the author's team, I did not find the courage to write to the editor that Yulia would be against such a high price, that she keeps her finger on the pulse of biological literature, etc.
So let Julia look at the catalog of Erich Bauer and Sato, let her look carefully at the site of Apollo Books or Pensoft.
Sorry, I'm after the academic council and a little harsh, because they said that 50 rates will be reduced.
I will repeat - I was given 10 copyrights for the price of 129 rubles. I can keep them, give them away, throw them away. But I made the decision to sell them at 129 E. It's hard to understand why? I can't explain it to myself. But the solution is this.
I would be happy to get 50 books for the price of 80 euros. And 10 more books to give to your friends and parents... But this is impossible, although I was given three books for gifts in the Institute of Electronic Economy of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, P. Ya.Ustyuzhanin and another one I don't remember who, I need to look at the contract.
You know that unfortunately or fortunately, many rich lovers in Japan and Europe are fond of butterflies. That's why they make books very beautiful and expensive. This also affects all scientists who work in this field, but in some cases it also plays into their hands.

On Apollo Books, etc., the average price of a book is 40-60E, not 130.

The problem isn't the price,Roman.Everything is solvable here.Like you said-expensive-don't buy it.
Problem with rapid response to scans.
And the explanations don't seem to make much sense.

Pasha, and in what explanations?
Why should I explain anything? I am against the fact that when the book is not yet available, we are already talking about pirating it, discussing it in front of the author, who may not care, but still. There is a copyright, it is written in black and white that copying is impossible, but immediately the desire to do it arises. I myself have copied so much literature that no one will even dream about it. In the library of the British Museum, where it costs 10 pennies to copy a single page. But why discuss it in front of the author?
Yes, the series is expensive. Therefore, I repeat - do not take any money, there is an opportunity to make a scan - use it, but do not tell anyone... That's it.

On Apollo Books, etc., the average price of a book is 40-60E, not 130.

Prices for similar books published by Peder Skou (Apollo Books) are one and a half times higher. Oleg (barko) - waiting for your confirmation. And a book without color pictures of 300 pages costs 30-40 rubles. Just nothing.

And KMK produces 4 times cheaper.

Prices for similar books published by Peder Skou (Apollo Books) are one and a half times higher. Oleg (barko) - waiting for your confirmation. And a book without color pictures of 300 pages costs 30-40 rubles. Just nothing.

Roma, what's there to confirm?
follow the link and see for yourself http://www.apollobooks.com/pub2009-10.htm

A good book from recognized authors costs from 100 euros.

GEOMETRID MOTHS OF EUROPE Vol. 1 71.- E, Vol. 2 128.- E, Vol. 4 104.- Euro

NOCTUIDAE EUROPAEAE I will mention only the 9th volume as it was the last Vol. 9 2007 171. - Euro-a wonderful, colossal work by Herman Hacker, which was preceded by a revision of Xyleninae in the 10th volume of Esperiana.

The 11th volume of this series will be published in a few days and it will cost the same amount.

Geometridae Ibericae 2009 140, - euro
Schintelmeisseter crested whales 154, - euro

Just a specific list of moths of the bsssr 1997 of Viidalep costs 39-euros. Just a list!!!
It has been outdated for a long time, but a lot of work has been done. Thanks to the old man.

Kononenko, V.: Noctuidae Sibiricae. 24 x 17 cm. Softcover.
Vol. 1: An annotated check list of the Noctuidae 55,-евро
Vol. 2: Rivulinae to Catocalinae. Publication early 2010 140, - euro - and this is only katokalina and rivulina!!!

Prices for modern high level books are 130 to 200 euro

Roman, at first it was that the price is set by the publisher and you are given 10 copyright copies.Here was the logical discrepancy.
In subsequent posts, it already went more logically-"I was given and I decided".What I wrote about earlier-the price is set by the author or the owner.
I still haven't decided who you are,Roman?Scientist or merchant?It is simply impossible to be both a scientist and a merchant together.I used to treat you like a scientist,and that's how you presented yourself, but now I see you more as a merchant.I respect both business people and scientists-there is no place without them in our business, but let's be more honest with each other.If you were a scientist,you wouldn't mind the scans-you'd be thrilled that people have your work.But if you are a merchant, then everything is clear

Roman, at first it was that the price is set by the publisher and you are given 10 copyright copies.Here was the logical discrepancy.
In subsequent posts, it already went more logically-"I was given and I decided".What I wrote about earlier-the price is set by the author or the owner.
I still haven't decided who you are,Roman?Scientist or merchant?It is simply impossible to be both a scientist and a merchant together.I used to treat you like a scientist,and that's how you presented yourself, but now I see you more as a merchant.I respect both business people and scientists-there is no place without them in our business, but let's be more honest with each other.If you were a scientist,you wouldn't mind the scans-you'd be thrilled that people have your work.But if you are a merchant, then everything is clear

Well, Pash, you gave it... Perhaps we can judge a person by the results of his labors? You are interested in the scientific results of the Novel - evaluate them, not the method of achievement, especially since there is no question of illegal or unethical ways of earning money. Well, I don't understand, what does anyone care who earns and spends money? And you immediately try to label

So a person should not try to get acquainted with the results of his work, otherwise he would not raise prices and focus not on the maximums, but at least on mediums.