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for those who have welded all the hatches in the tank from the inside, it is useless to tell what's what.
Buratinam diploma wife dumalku replaces usually.
Example- "There is a market price, it should take into account the capabilities of the AVERAGE buyer"(C). A masterpiece! The price itself is such a weight that can not take anything into account. But the one who sets the price may or may not take into account. But it should not (to anyone, unless the contract provides otherwise)...
By the way, Mordechai Levi (aka Carlos Marx) stuck his "capital" far deeper into the issue of pricing, which is spontaneous in the market... another question is why dedushkalenin took this shnyaga out of the closet and used it in his dirty work.
Vapshche cool people - on Lincoln for mushrooms go but the book that is needed by the type of activity to buy-wince to themselves chegoto there))) ...

I, kaneshna, wildly apologize, but maybe those who want to go to some thread of the economic forum (to go to Davos ) to discuss these problems.
And then gored squabbles of something Khotsa peace and harmony

and mozha to you kudanit to go to have a rest? Eh?
Canary Islands, Maldives.... they are waiting for you.
or at least not to go into the topic if.... umgu?

   I, kaneshna, wildly apologize, but maybe those who want to go to some thread of the economic forum (to go to Davos ) to discuss these problems.
And then the squabbles of something gored Khotsa peace and harmony

What the bazaar is about... A person does the right thing, does the right thing, tears his ass, his business is what price to set..If you don't want to buy it, don't buy it.. For example, I can not buy well and shto.. But I'll check it out with my buddies..once published..on the contrary, a low bow to Yakovlev, which at such a time does not change behi to geldings, and back again..and he drives and writes.. Respect only and respect.. You need to be an entomologist to understand that a person does unrealistic things in our time, sacrificing those hours that make up a life...

   I, kaneshna, wildly apologize, but maybe those who want to go to some thread of the economic forum (to go to Davos ) to discuss these problems.
And then the squabbles of something gored Khotsa peace and harmony

Peace and harmony will come then. when everyone goes to nature and on expeditions, and not because no one will be there, but because people will start enjoying themselves again, but until winter-of course, bile begins to pour out over the edges ))

what do you call them in Old Soviet, SASS

Would you mind explaining the "meaning" of what was said? Sorry in advance, Justus

Peace and harmony will come then. when everyone goes to nature and on expeditions, and not because no one will be there, but because people will start enjoying themselves again, but until winter-of course, bile begins to pour out over the edges ))

It is strange when pleasure is the maximum for a person and when everything that does not fit into it is labeled as "bile".

Gentlemen and ladies

you are fixated on the values for Russia. do not forget that books of this kind are in demand all over the world, and their value is determined not by "what we will sell in Moscow and St. Petersburg", but by "what we will sell mainly in the West". The same lepidopterologists, if you look at the list of SEL members, we have 2-3 dozen. And for this minuscule specifically make a cheaper edition? It will be more expensive to make it than the main one

Stanislav, it's as clear as day. But, as you can see, not everyone, so the topic does not die. Or rather, it appeared at all.

2 Babochnik:

This year, I feel like I'm going to splurge on books :D

This is post # 1 in the subject...

If you look at the list of SEL members, we have 2-3 dozen lepidopterologists

The trick is that collecting butterflies - an order of magnitude (at least) more.

than who?

There are more butterfly collectors than lepidopterists.

This post was edited by Justus - 08.11.2009 23: 42

The trick is that collecting butterflies - an order of magnitude (at least) more.

But this is not a fact. Follow the link below for a survey. So, on this forum, coleopterists are in the lead.
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...50&#entry934069

And there are more beetle collectors. than coleopterists.

Papaver this topic was "discovered" by separating it from the previous one...Or did I forget?
In general, I wrote about the essence that gave rise to the discussion itself. About services as such. If they weren't there, there wouldn't be a theme. Stanislav's very phrase about "going broke" cannot be self-sufficient (without continuing what was already in the previous topic) to create a new topic. It wasn't really true.
Just then those whom shkrek strangled dragged out the song and
the word "freebie" in the title of the topic went-went...relate it to the tone and meaning of Stanislav's own phrase.

It is easier for a collector than for a "lepidopterist" (since we have decided to separate these concepts). For example, the collector will just have enough of the aforementioned book on butterflies, say, Mongolia - and nothing else will be needed for a very long time. Accordingly, his expenses will come down to several thousand rubles spent on his book once - at the same time, he will receive high-quality goods with beautiful illustrations - what more can you ask for to identify butterflies in his collection? The situation is completely different for "lepidopterologists" - with the exception of books that are absolutely necessary in their work, the ordinary "lepidopterologist" is forced to keep up to date with all current events in the lepidopterological world - and this means, at a minimum, constant familiarization with lepidopterological periodicals (ideally, receiving them at home), and as a maximum, constant familiarization with specialized periodicals plus collections of articles (many of them are regional, which, even if I want to, then why can't I buy it-a paradox?), collections of abstracts, and so on, and so on, and so on... The minimum basket for being a "lepidopterologist" turns out to be quite impressive - if you stretch it for a year, then approximately 3k+ rubles per month (easy to calculate: subscription to lepidopterological journals ("gentleman's" minimum: Alexanor, Atalanta, Linneana Belgica, Nota Lepidopterologica, Transactions of the Japanese Lepidopterological Society, Journal of the Lepidopterist's Society) is about 300 euros a year, plus books (about the same amount), plus collections, domestic magazines-books, random offers - another 300. The last two items of expenditure are mostly unknown to the collector...

Sales there (over the hill), by the way, are not rare, and they are regularly held in more than one major store. In Germany, not so long ago, I bought gaiters of 1.5 euros (not to this day), and when I returned to Moscow, I saw them for 150 rubles. The fact that I paid 7 euros in Germany (for sale), in Moscow hangs for 2500 (and sale is not expected). And the manufacturer is the same-Turkey, even the labels are the same.
And pollinators for 7 euros? Have you seen the insect detector in our major bookstores at a price of 300 rubles? And there, in the central bookstore, a whole rack of determinants costs from the simplest, I would say children's, for 3.5 euros to A4 hardcover for 22 euros and all in color on good paper, and with good photos.
The opportunities, in this case, are the same both here and abroad. Is it possible to release a good determinant at a price of less than 5000? There is. Then why does the price go over 5000? You can make economic calculations in the spirit of Marx for a very long time, but books exist at lower and lower prices, including on our market.

I did not mean "rare" in comparison with our Miner's Day, but rare in comparison with the days of normal prices in the SAME retail outlets.
We know how we can brag about a thousand percent without lifting a finger. So this is actually the same freeloaders - less to give, more to grab. But as for the" good " qualifiers, I wrote out some prices (I emphasize that the quality of books is more or less comparable to the ones discussed; and there are also enough cheap ones there, I admit this in advance, so that you don't have to break into an open door later) from the Apollo Books catalog:

** Karsholt, O. & J. Razowski: The Lepidoptera of Europe. A Distributional Checklist. 1996. 29 x 21 cm. 380 pages. Hardback. ISBN 87-88757-01-3. EUR 98.00 / US$ 136.00 / DKK 680.00.

** GEOMETRID MOTHS OF EUROPE. Edited by A. Hausmann. 25 x 17 cm. Distribution map and illustrations of male and female genitalia to all species. Hardback. Customers in North America should order this series from ISBS.
** Vol. 1: Hausmann, A.: Introduction to the series. Archiearinae, Oenochrominae, Geometrinae. 2001. 282 pages. 8 colour plates. ISBN 87-88757-35-8. EUR 71,00 / US$ 98.00 / DKK 490,00.
** Vol. 2: Hausmann, A.: Sterrhinae. 2004. 600 pages. 24 colour plates. ISBN 87-88757-37-4. Price EUR 138,00 / US$ 192.00 / DKK 960,00.
** Vol. 3: Hausmann, A., J. Gelbrecht & J. Viidalepp: Larentinae I. Publication late 2010. About 600 pages. 22 colour plates. ISBN 87-88757-39-0. Price approx. . EUR 122,00 / US$ 170.00 / DKK 850,00
** Vol. 4: Mironov, V.: Larentinae II. 2003. 464 pages. 16 colour plates. ISBN 87-88757-40-4. EUR 104,00 / US$ 144.00 / DKK 720,00.

** Bauernfeind, E. & T. Soldбn: The Mayflies of Europe. (Ephemeroptera). Publication late 2009. 24 x 17 cm. Approx. 820 pages. Numerous colour photos and black and white illustrations. ISBN 87-88757-45-5. EUR 120,00 / US$ 168.00 / DKK 840,00.

NOCTUIDAE EUROPAEAE. 28 x 21 cm. Hardback.
Vol. 4: Hacker, Hermann, Ronkay L., & Hreblay, M.: Hadeninae I. 2002. 419 pages. 15 colour plates. Photographs of male and female genitalia of all species, incl. everted vesicas. Distribution maps to all species. ISBN 87-89430-07-7. EUR 157,00 / US$ 218.00 / DKK 1.090.
Vol. 8: Zilli, A., L. Ronkay & M. Fibiger: Apameini. 2005. 323 pages. 15 colour plates depicting nearly 1000 specimens. 77 black and white plates with male and female genitalia photos of all speices. Distribution maps to all species. ISBN 87-89430-09-3 EUR 171,00 / US$ 238.00 / DKK 1190,00
Vol. 9: Fibiger, M: & H. Hacker: Amphipyrinae, Condicinae, Eriopinae, Xyleninae. 2007. 410 pages incl. 12 colour plates and 75 genitalia plates. Ђ 171.00 / US$ 238.00 / DKK 1.190.00.
Vol. 10: Goater, B., L. Ronkay & M. Fibiger: Catocalinae & Plusiinae. 2003. 452 pages. 16 colour plates. 332 photographs of male and female genitalia. Distribution maps to all species. ISBN 87-89430-08-5. EUR 157,00 / US$ 218.00 / DKK 1.090,00.

Resell gaiters five times more expensive-one thing. It is another matter for a scientist to sell his own copies of his own book at the same publisher's selling price. Once again, I oppose fake analogies. And such prices for serious modern entomological catalogs are now in order of things; it seems that you are no more familiar with the prices (freely hanging on the web, you don't have to go far for them) than I am with your grandfather's Lincoln.

In books, as can be seen from the descriptions, there are enough color illustrations (in poor-quality illustrations, especially of the genital apparatus, today there is no big sense), there are as many as 16 tables in the last book; but in the first volume of Toropov and Zhdanko, wherever you poke, there are color illustrations: imagos, biotopes, maps, - and the price is standard. No, it's just a sin to complain about our (in Frunze - also like ours) quality ratio (scientific plus printing) - price so far; the more I look through the catalogs of Western publishers and booksellers, the more clearly I see this.

P.S. I hope that my colleagues will notice that the list includes specially selected books on Europe, which differs even from Altai in terms of the degree of exploration (and, accordingly, in the amount of expedition and desk work required for preparing books), and even from Central Asia, and even more so from Tuva and Mongolia, as the sky differs from the earth.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 11/16/2009 01: 57

It is strange when pleasure is the maximum for a person and when everything that does not fit into it is labeled as "bile".

Well, T. Ripper hardly preached hedonism, just put it that way, but in fact he is right: when we barely have time to post fishing reports, when God forbid we have time to spread the material at night,there will simply be no time or energy to spread our tongues wide. The usual seasonal dimorphism of entomology forum posts. More precisely, the seasonal molting of participants, with the only difference that the white coat we have - in summer, and darker-in winter...

And then the squabbles of something gored Khotsa peace and harmony

Then click here:
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=358544

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 09.11.2009 01: 03

(A. Y.Elez @ 05.11.2009 00: 07)
what do you call them in Old Soviet, SASS

Would you mind explaining the "meaning" of what was said? I'm sorry in advance, Justus

What's the joke of empathy? SASS is really the "Old Soviet" name of the states. Or did I miss something?

Aren't you tired of it yet?

It is easier for a collector than for a "lepidopterist" (since we have decided to separate these concepts). For example, the collector will just have enough of the aforementioned book on butterflies, say, Mongolia - and nothing else will be needed for a very long time. Accordingly, his expenses will come down to several thousand rubles spent on his book once - at the same time, he will receive high-quality goods with beautiful illustrations - what more can you ask for to identify butterflies in his collection? The situation is completely different for "lepidopterologists" - with the exception of books that are absolutely necessary in their work, the ordinary "lepidopterologist" is forced to keep up to date with all current events in the lepidopterological world - and this means, at a minimum, constant familiarization with lepidopterological periodicals (ideally, receiving them at home), and as a maximum, constant familiarization with specialized periodicals plus collections of articles (many of them are regional, which, even if I want to, then why can't I buy it-a paradox?), collections of abstracts, and so on, and so on, and so on... The minimum basket for being a "lepidopterologist" turns out to be quite impressive - if you stretch it for a year, then approximately 3k+ rubles per month (easy to calculate: subscription to lepidopterological journals ("gentleman's" minimum: Alexanor, Atalanta, Linneana Belgica, Nota Lepidopterologica, Transactions of the Japanese Lepidopterological Society, Journal of the Lepidopterist's Society) is about 300 euros a year, plus books (about the same amount), plus collections, domestic magazines-books, random offers - another 300. The last two items of expenditure are mostly unknown to the collector...

I totally agree with Stas. The collector wants (most often) - to have a book (a website, a friend of a specialist) from which you can determine. In the case of butterflies, atlases and images of genitals are best suited for this purpose. None of the collectors follow the periodicals. NOBODY! And this is natural. The goals are different. Entomology and butterfly collecting are very different things, and in some cases they coincide. For example, I have these positions coincide, and the interest in collecting smoothly flowed from daytime to cossides. And now having a couple of P. davydovi is less preferable to me than, for example, a good bunch of well-fed woodworms from Africa.

If we talk about prices, then prices are high not only for books about butterflies, but also about bedbugs, thrips, etc
. For example, in Japan I was given a monograph "Thrips of Japan". Soft carpet, no color, 500 pages-the price is about $ 120.

And now having a couple of P. davydovi is less preferable to me than, for example, a good bunch of well-fed woodworms from Africa.

That's well said about a bunch
-Do you want a beautiful Lyusya for 100 rubles or an ugly Lelya for 100 rubles, but 2 times?
- Yes, Lyusya is beautiful,but 2 times is 2 times!

That's well said about a bunch

A GOOD bunch!
A week ago I visited an Ustyuzhanin in Novosibirsk, where they gave me such a pile. South Africa and Swaziland. A very respectable bunch. Most species are absent from Russian collections. One looks like a new one. Kaifets yes and only

Guys, I love it, I recently bought an original by Kurentsov, and I had a hardcover copy that I was once happy to get. I don't need it. I'll go and fuck it in the trash tomorrow so I don't have to listen to such statements. If a person has something to say, they write instead of putting up a blinking face - which I interpret as interest. I was sent a copy machine from the DV - I paid the cost of photocopying, then bound it in the bookbinding shop and used it for 10 years. I thought it might be useful to someone. I'm accused of running a flea market. I am truly offended. I don't like distortions. And if 650 rubles to Haifa - you consider it speculation... Then I'm sorry. I realized that a blinking face in response to my offer means that you need a book, and I think I will send Pasha a book, well, they will return me money for my past expenses and forwarding. And I got the mussals. And Ripper blinks back happily, a grateful man...
I sincerely wanted to please someone. I remember jumping up to the ceiling when I got it.

This post was edited by Yakovlev - 21.11.2009 20: 05

Guys, I'm crazy, I recently bought an original by Kurentsov, and I had a hardcover copy that I was once happy to get. I don't need it. If a person has something to say, they write instead of putting up a blinking face - which I interpret as interest. I was sent a copy machine from the DV - I paid the cost of photocopying, then bound it in the bookbinding shop and used it for 10 years. I thought it might be useful to someone. I'm accused of running a flea market. I am truly offended.

Guys, let's live together! No need to be offended, react sharply. In fact, the "flea market" is just a used goods market. And everything. Any second-hand bookstore is a flea market in this sense. So what? At the "flea market" you can dig up and buy very decent (and even not so cheap) goods. And most importantly-very necessary!

I'll go and fuck it in the trash tomorrow so I don't have to listen to such statements.

More extremes. The product is offered for sale. One of the visitors to our virtual store refused to purchase, explaining the reasons - this is their right. Or maybe someone will buy it? Won't buy it? So what? Why then throw it away?! Isn't it better to give it to someone who needs it?

More extremes. The product is offered for sale. One of the visitors to our virtual store refused to purchase, explaining the reasons - this is their right. Or maybe someone will buy it? Won't buy it? So what? Why then throw it away?! Isn't it better to give it to someone who needs it?

Extremes due to being told that I have occupied a niche. I have the right to react, and I do.

Yes, Roma, distortions are just in your case-either buy it or throw it away.Put it in the topic "I'll give it away for free" (by the way, such photocopies were given there) and live in peace and harmony.And to pull a penny for everything is a Rum, but there should still be a sense of pride.After all, a respected person, you have the title of doctor.So you already start to think that you live on the street and sell at a flea market.I'm an officer,but I can't go over a lot of things-my conscience won't let me.
You don't need a photocopy,you misjudged the smiley face.I don't need to send them to Haifa(if they do send them to me,then to Moscow or to Nizh.Novgorod) and don't touch the Ripper either.

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING???
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T BUY IT.

And discuss pricing issues in all sorts of flood topics about rasp.

to taler: Pash, well, no one forces you to buy a photocopy of Kurentsov, but someone may need it. And then the fight starts again.
And the book, by the way, is a good one.

It's not about whether you want to or not.. And the fact that at first a person blames virtual copying, because people do not buy the originals. and now he's selling a copy of it, pretending that it's not a big deal for him. Of course, it's up to him, but don't contradict yourself so much..

Maxim Lazarev gave me a printout of Plavilshchikov's volume, 600 sheets, although he printed it at his own expense.
And in this case, only the desire to sell better is still not needed..

I'm sorry kanesh for interrupting...
I don't defend or blame anyone, but:
It is an unwritten ethical rule not to make copies until the print run has sold out. Of course, if the author does not give a kind"good". And this book by Kurentsov is almost forty years old... Although, we must pay tribute to the author, it is still useful today, especially given the protologues.

Kurentsov, alas, no longer claims royalties and is not going to republish the book. His daughter, too, I suppose. Now, if you need to publish, then something new, and that old book, sold in the form of a photocopy, has long been unable to cut down anyone's legitimate commercial interests. So T. taler is formally right (the required copyright years have not yet been released), it can not be denied, but in fact, the situation differs from the one that was recently discussed in another topic, like heaven from earth, and he understands this perfectly well, but he decided to let pepper go to heighten the revenge.
I personally also have the opportunity to sell not even black and white, but high-quality (with color tables) copies of that book by Kurentsov, which is much better in quality than the original (both the paper is good white, and the black fleas are removed), but I don't do this yet, except that two people from the closest circle got it for free. But if a person has released an old photocopy, why not sell it at a reasonable price? It also fell into his hands once not from the sky. I repeat, the author's interest is not affected here, and this should be the main thing for us. In a different situation (for example, Kurentsov is still alive and sells originals-either by himself or by the publishing house), no one would have offered us a photocopy of Kurentsov directly from the forum.
The book is good, T. Morozzz is right. Although, in my opinion, in some parts it is outdated, but in general, so far, it is a very valuable guide.
To t. To Yakovlev. Yes, you have the right to react. But I remind you that you also have the right not to react and not to waste your nerves on proving the obvious. This right, in my opinion, could well have been used in this case, we would all have understood you.

... So T. taler is formally right (the required copyright years have not yet been released)...

Yes, it seems to me that we should be guided simply by common sense.

It's not about whether you want to or not.. And the fact that at first a person blames virtual copying, because people do not buy the originals. and now he's selling a copy of it, pretending that it's not a big deal for him. Of course, it's up to him, but don't contradict yourself so much..

I just read it, but I think I've already answered this one. There is no contradiction here, none of the copyright holders of Kurentsov's book has been selling originals for a long time (and try to find the current copyright holders). And it is quite another matter - the threat of counterfeit books, the circulation of which has not yet sold out or even went on sale. The truth is concrete. And "you don't have to push it to the point of absurdity."

T. Yakovlev! My colleagues and I have consulted here and decided to cut the best out of your message to raise your mood. Here's what we got.

Guys, I'm crazy, I recently bought the original Kurentsov... I'll go and fuck it in the trash tomorrow... I don't like distortions... And I got the mussals... I was jumping up to the ceiling when I got it.

That's how you need to be able to distort, colleagues! And your distortions are just childish games, the fruit of your inability to reason in substance and dialectically, superficial analogies, generalizations based on insignificant signs.

And T. Yakovlev, and that's it: don't worry about small things and be healthy!

Roman removed his post about the photocopy, in response, I remove my own.
Elez,it was not about Roman's book,but about his attitude to pirated copies in general(regarding photocopies and scans).It was about six months ago.My smiley face showed the shock I received from Romya's post.I didn't expect Roma to SELL photocopies.

... ... ... I didn't expect ... sales of photocopies.

Pash! And I would buy some photocopies here, and not particularly stingy...
(The notorious Kurentsov is not offered - there is an original. )

This post was edited by Papaver - 22.11.2009 03: 06

Roman removed his post about the photocopy, in response, I remove my own.
Elez,it was not about Roman's book,but about his attitude to pirated copies in general(regarding photocopies and scans).It was about six months ago.My smiley face showed the shock I received from Romya's post.I didn't expect Roma to SELL photocopies.

God save me from complaining about emoticons, fellow taler. And it is your sacred right to experience shock whenever and from anything. But about what was discussed "about six months ago "(see: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=177764&st=150), you can see that even then the issue of scanning was discussed-and it was svezhaka. About photocopies (especially old literature) was there anything at all? The opinion that was then insisted on by opponents of undermining the sale of circulation by counterfeit goods, they defended in the current case.

Question about selling a specific photocopy (if it's old stuff) there was no need to discuss it at all. If you want to buy it, write it off. But there is no need to tell the owner of the goods at the counter that in the past year, the stepdaughter-in-law gave someone the same product for nothing. Situations may vary. If T. Ripper received a personal photocopy as a gift from someone-it's one thing. But it's a Ripper. And if the same donor starts announcing the free distribution (and mailing) of photocopies to everyone through the forum, this will already be a gesture of the patron, this, to put it mildly, is not everyone on the shoulder. Now imagine that your photocopy was not made for business, but was released - your own copy-as you completed your home library, and all your close friends (with whom you have a relationship for giving everything you can take away from yourself) already have this book or do not need it. You will, of course, announce this copy to a wide range of people (in the age of the Internet), but you will not have the same reasons to give it to them just like, say, I have to give books to my close friends for free. You will at least ask the buyer for as much as you gave yourself, and even for delivery. There are only 32 posts in the topic about free return to anyone - so far (in "entomological labels" - 500, for comparison). Everyone has their own layouts and their own opportunities. So, in my opinion, some injustice was shown to T. To Yakovlev; to me personally-I am sure that, etc. Yakovlev, and any of us - the very feelings that you feel in connection with the announcement of a photocopy are quite close, but the problem is that this particular ad and its author did not deserve these feelings; I did not see any reason for such an offensive attitude towards a comrade. Well, now we have to wonder about his reaction. In general, many of us have a way of reacting at the same moment, without weighing a damn thing; maybe sometimes you don't need to hang electronic slaps in the face at the first glance at someone else's post, but calmly pull a seagull (especially when you are experiencing "shock"!), think about it, and then react carefully. By God, the squabbles will then subside by 70 percent.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 22.11.2009 04: 45