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I'm not trying to label them,just to know who I'm talking to.Roman's discontent is understandable to me,but Andrey's discontent is also understandable.And Roman, and Andrey, and You, Mikhail, and many more forum members are my friends and I don't want to offend anyone.In general, there was an idea to somehow co-publish a book of Roman,it's a pity that he is a co-author.
And the RIPPER's remark is worthy of attention-he can't buy the book, but he can't get the scans either.Having bought a book by Roman(I just can't help but buy it,otherwise I'll be blacklisted by him), I don't want to get blacklisted by Andrey without giving him scans.
Roman has only 10 books + huge dissatisfaction with scans

This post was edited by taler - 28.10.2009 15: 41

Probably Roman won't sell me a book for my honesty

Well. And a lot of integrity...

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 10/29/2009 03: 06

You don't have to give me scans:
1) I don't take offense and I don't have a blacklist
2) if there are reasons for something, I will understand
3) I'm not going to force someone to do something just because this person is my friend.
But if anything is possible, then why not

Give the man something to eat! Horror, how many highly principled justifications for freeloading... Who has already proved that a scientist differs from a merchant in that he does not need bread? No one has proved it yet! But what masters demand unselfishness from the worker, and economy from themselves, the consumers of the fruits of their labor! Well, this is not a learned logician, and not even a merchant, but a bazaar I won't say who. It's worth it. And it will stand.

* so say those who don't care.

Vo! Already accused of grooming! Oh, well.... I return the reproach: horror, how many highly principled justifications for raggedness...
However, what I still don't understand, and what no one has been able to explain, is that if the price is fair "do not indulge in the most", then where do "unfair prices" come from at times lower.
Bread, by the way, is needed not only by authors of books, but also by their customers, so the price of 10 rubles is a drum, and 550 times more is unlikely, especially if it is tinted with all sorts of unnecessary shushera.

There are also those who do not care about any prices for everything, regardless of the need! So what? What does this prove?

* so say those who don't care.

Andrey, it's time to get a job and start earning money

This post was edited by Bad Den - 10/29/2009 12: 46

Yes, this is an unsolvable dispute.
At one time, I was also perplexed by sky-high prices.
Then I could afford to buy a book or two. Moreover, a decent profile Fachliteratur is relatively easy to find on the Internet.
In my line of work, I also have to spend a decent amount of money to buy new relevant literature (and medical literature is a song!). What should I do?
Yes, you can download it in rapid or in some other way, but this is as a last resort, if there is no other way.
Again, the book itself is much more pleasant and useful for the eyes and soul to hold in your hands, leaf through, read, view illustrations. So it is perceived better.
To each his own. When I was still a student, I used to buy Tuzov's volumes separately, "malnourished", and saved a penny each. But that was 10-12 years ago. Now and then times are different.

Andrey, it's time to get a job and start earning money

on our salaries, I have to save a year to ride for a month..

You can come to us and try to live on a local salary-out of town for the weekend-this is the maximum that you can afford.

I have to choose between books or trips..

Yes, you need to be able to settle in well. This is a great art! And there is an example on the forum - Roman Yakovlev. He does what he likes, what his heart is set on, he has enough money for an annual circumnavigation of the world, he is bathed in grants, money is given to him, international organizations allocate it, he also receives well as an author and co-author of specialized publications, obviously, for a doctoral thesis in Novosibirsk, too, the allowance is 10 times more than in Moscow...in a word, a person is spinning. God grant everyone!

This post was edited by omar - 10/29/2009 17: 30

The price of books is determined by how much you need them. You need it badly - the price is on the drum. If you don't need it at all, you'll cry for 10 rubles.

Not only this, of course; but in principle it is absolutely correct: the ratio of supply and demand has not been canceled. I repeat, on my own salary, I could easily lead a group of fighters against "raggedness" and for forcing the author to reduce prices by shouting in unison; and let him be a nuisance to grant-givers, to air carriers, to railway ticket offices, to sellers of food for the expedition, to printing enterprises, and so on., so that they would lower the prices of their goods and services for him, so that his book would be cheaper for us later. Perfectly! True, fuck him who will reduce what there (those also have their own production costs running out, etc.), but we don't care, we'll finish the author off, we have good throats.

Ah, comrades... But really, if each of us gets a salary increase, we will say: thank you, leave less as it was? If they agree to pay you more, would you rather be paid less? We don't get much because they don't want to pay us any more. So it is in the entire economy. Capitalism is not a poorhouse for the maintenance of our scientific interests, and our entomologists, alas, are published not on the moon, but in this very reality, i.e. almost always not at the state expense. And the whole mechanism that is behind the publication of the book, too, turns according to the laws of chistogan. No fool would set a lower price than what the consumer is willing to pay. And the author is not the first in this really long chain, that he was attacked? Criticism should be constructive, dear friends, and do not point your finger at Ivan Ivanovich, who sells his book for a penny, the author does not care about it, he has his own framework, his own situation. If you want to reduce the retail price , you are welcome: specifically offer t. Yakovlev (and not him alone) has more favorable publishing conditions, which will give a lower retail price at the output.this book of his (and not Dontsova and not Klyuchko), offer him more favorable transport for trips and more favorable conditions for living on the road and here, if he refuses with the words: "I don't want to, because then I'll rip off your brother less, and I'm a hooch and a sadist", then be indignant, only he is unlikely to refuse, but where are the best conditions to find? But the quality of printing today should be appropriate, the genre requires. But don't hear your business proposals yet!

I myself look at the current price lists, and my heart bleeds. So it is in fact in the sausage shop today behaves the same way. Only there you can't get drunk with a scan, so we're quiet there, we pay what they charge. And here we will have a rest at the entomologist "at the top of our crow's throat"...

I recently mastered Retezar about the Karabuses of Abkhazia-it is expensive according to my salary, but not expensive at current prices, put different books side by side, live, and compare. I probably spend most of my time among books, I literally don't get out of bookstores, and so, albums of paintings, for which you don't need to pay royalties to Savrasov and for which you don't need to spend a lot of research work to publish an album where almost exclusively printing work is invested, are no cheaper than the latest entomological ones miracles that are, alas, dear to us. Believe me, a pensioner who is interested in Savrasov will not reach out to the publisher (and even more so to Savrasov) about lowering the price to facilitate access for her. At the same time, about copyright (except for the cover and foreword) there is no question, Savrasov will not be offended by a free scan, but even so, the album will still be sold out at such an exorbitant price!

I've mastered the first volume of Toropov and Zhdanko this year, it's too expensive for my salary, but I'm holding it in my hands, I'm crazy and I think: how could it have been cheaper by any miracle? Or is it decent, in your opinion, to transfer the richest illustrative material to toilet paper for the sake of reducing the cost by an extra ruble? And the heavy Talmud on coated paper should have been packed in a paperback and put on glue instead of a sewing block? Yes, thank God that in recent decades a certain printing bar has been taken for an important area of knowledge for us, and God forbid it to slip from this bar. As you grow up, you'll get more money, and you'll be glad to have something to buy from high-quality materials. And as soon as you start publishing the same thing yourself, you also don't want to publish it on klozetnaya street and you won't dive under the price bar either, even if you wanted to, unless, of course, you find a "sponsor" who really wanted to help you and reduce the price of your book at retail.

And as for access today, there is always not enough for everyone, there will always be someone very poor, but very interested, who will not be able to buy a book for a penny, and the most reliable thing is a complete freebie. But alas. Any of you, I repeat, having an absolutely real opportunity to get a stolnik for the product of your own (let's say, only your own, without publishing, etc.) work, will not put the price at fifty kopecks (excluding, of course, copies for friends, most often gift copies in general). And not because he is a hooch, but because he is not a complete idiot and knows that tomorrow at the railway ticket office, in a grocery store, etc., he will also be asked for the maximum possible rip-off (possible not from him personally, but from the market as a whole, but if he is personally poor it will be left without bread and sausage, the seller will survive this, he doesn't care who to throw the goods to, as long as it is more expensive).

Under capitalism, prices are not "sharpened" for the least effective demand, alas, and our authors are here on the same submarine with us, there is nothing to reproach them with their raggedness. That's not where you're looking for rags. But when you find it where you need to look, then the problem will be solved not only for entomological literature.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 10/29/2009 18: 16

Books, especially colored and beautiful ones, are expensive precisely because those who make them just want to cut down more-that's all. But entomological literature is produced not for the sake of money-more precisely, publishers for the sake of money, and authors are more willing to share their work. And if the bulk of the money went not to businessmen who want to earn extra money on someone else's work, but to authors, it would be more pleasant to pay such a large amount of money.

But that these words are bullshit, just expressions of their anger, still books will not become cheaper from this. I will continue to use the scans and printouts as long as I can. It will be possible to spend money on books, well..
In any case, while the collection is far from perfect, it is better to replenish the collection for the price of one book with several types, or at least one ) But when Tolkien is left to sort out what is what, it will be possible to do books - there will be just what literature to choose from.

I, as a person who can afford with my salary, could lead a campaign against "freeloaders", but there are also cheaper ways for the consumer to convey their work. Is not it so? Does a scientific book have to have a super-framed cover?

In the economy, there is a graph on the one hand, the price, on the other hand, the number of consumers willing to pay it. So the maximum profit goes at the average price. There are other publishers with different prices and without carpets and gold decoration. Is not it so?

The name of the publishing house has been submitted, so there is no need to be indignant and demand that the publishing house be established immediately. Not enough? I can send you a message.

At the expense of realities, get 100, and sell them for 50. In my professional activity, my articles cost from free to 1800 rubles. copyright issues. Because I write not in order to cut down the dough, but in order to tell about the best practices. And why do they sell works at the highest possible price? Definitely not in order to spread their best practices among colleagues.

This post was edited by Ju-lia - 10/29/2009 18: 20

Ju-lia is not yet the maximum price.This is the author's price

Very fiery speech, but there are other publishers with different prices and without carpets and gold decoration. Is not it so?

I, as a person who can afford with my salary, could lead a campaign against "freeloaders", but there are also cheaper ways for the consumer to convey their work. Is not it so? Does a scientific book have to have a super-framed cover?

In the economy, there is a graph on the one hand, the price, on the other hand, the number of consumers willing to pay it. So the maximum profit goes at the average price.

The name of the publishing house has been submitted, so there is no need to be indignant and demand that the publishing house be established immediately. Not enough? I can send you a message.

I don't understand, are you asking the author to actually publish another book? Fiction doesn't necessarily require thickness, so why the hell did you write and push "War and Peace" instead of "The Captain's Daughter", it would have been cheaper? Sorry. If, for example, the author did not write the determinant of Filipiev or Yakhontov, but an illustrated atlas (atlas-determinant, etc.), then so be it, from this stove and dance. And you again with examples from the lives of others (including your own). I welcome the fact that you personally care about your readers, and I envy you your ability to travel, live, eat, etc. without the help of money, on the one love of interested readers. But here we really need talent, we would not be able to do this. Unless at the cost of reducing the quality of entomological research (and, accordingly, the final product, for which I then would not have given a broken spear) for the sake of finding extra work for food. Either by sucking you up to someone who will feed you and support you with all your research.

T. Yakovlev, God willing, will publish books more than once, so contact him specifically (not necessarily with us) and indicate where exactly he is supposed to publish (and not some other!!!!!) the work will be published cheaper. It won't get any worse for anyone. But just to find out what publishers are and what they offer, he will be able to find out on the Internet himself; why does he need abstract chatter? I doubt that T. Yakovlev purposely looked for someone among the publishers of pokrovososos. And that with the current book you were too late to consult him competently on the market of publishing services for this particular book-now it's too late to complain. Do not forget, by the way, not only about the market of publishing services, but about the market of all the services that the author goes through on his research path to create such books. Printing costs are not even the main thing here. You'll get more money on expeditions. On the issue of distribution, the emphasis is not the same, but you have grasped the essence correctly: the circle of people who objectively need the book does not coincide with the circle of people who can purchase it. This is very subtly noticed, and I do not argue with it. If it were otherwise, why would libraries be needed? So it is one thing to acquire the "best practices" of a scientist, but to purchase a specific (very expensive at cost) printing product is another matter. And this real collision was also not invented by T. Yakovlev. If you don't like paying for an expensive "War and Peace", don't encourage Tolstoy to cook a new "Captain's Daughter" or "Virgin Land", but write the same "War and Peace" on your own and put at least two kopecks on it at retail. Let's see if you can do it (especially at no cost) the kind of research work that is done by those whose books seem unnecessarily biting to you.

By the way. I consider high printing quality to be the norm, and not an exception for official gifts to foreign accomplices. And I don't think it's possible to put scientific literature below "Playboy" in this respect, etc. And as for accessibility - so it is important not only for scientific literature, but also for fiction and you never know for any other, so let's throw the slogan of cheap books for people like the Suvorin library, etc.at the turn of the 19th-20th centuries. True, it is precisely natural science atlases in such a shameful form that no fool even in the time of A. Suvorin thought of publishing. The "dust jacket" is not a luxury at all in today's demand (consumer demand, by the way; it was once invented not for the sake of authors). The lack of it will significantly worsen the appearance of the book (and the term "art of the book" was not invented by fools, and it is a sin to deny this art to scientific literature) in comparison with the presence of it, but the cost reduction will be very small, the sheepskin is much cheaper than the manufacture. But your mention of carpets and gold decoration is a purely emotional slander on the book of T. Yakovleva, or do you really already have time to buy it and speak in fact? If it's the latter, it's really too much, and I'm sure I'll share your indignation... But so far, I see that the prices have been given to us (taking into account the expected quality) just the ones you're writing about: average.

These prices are now average, no matter what we say, and they are very low-lifting for them. I also understand my colleague Ripper, I have also been almost non-rider in recent years, and also from lack of money. But if we ourselves are not average in terms of salary and ability to pay, but rather miserable, this does not mean that normal, average prices should be called high. In general, in a society where money rules and where the basic principle of the economy is not to maximize the needs of workers, but to extract maximum profit (and this is not the case here). Yakovlev single-handedly legalized), - to impose on someone (for example, the one who creates an interesting book for you) the psychology of work as on a subbotnik in the 1920s, in my opinion, is a pharisaic matter... You need to start from the beginning, not from the middle and not from the end. I suffer from the situation no less than my colleagues, and I agree with the general assessment of it. But I do not agree with the choice, as they say, of the direction of the main attack.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 10/30/2009 03: 18

In my professional activity, my articles cost from free to 1800 rubles. copyright issues. Because I write not in order to cut down the dough, but in order to tell about the best practices.

If they agree to pay you more, would you rather be paid less? We don't get much because they don't want to pay us any more.

I agree.No one dares to tell a person what to write, and what price to set.
But also what to do with the purchased book-too.

This is absolutely true. Everything is allowed for your own money. So, in fact, for other people's money, too. I'll just add: everything that is not prohibited by law... The rest is just for the time being. And among the rest, there are a number of moral and legal gradations. After all, entomologists also violate the law (they will not bind them yet either), however, even in the case of competition for a population or a certain subspecies, formally not omitting their neighbor, since they are not caught in his garden.

I don't remember where I read that either in Austria or in Germany, several decades ago, government stocks of postage stamps from the Nazi era were found, and the post office announced its intention, so as not to rot in vain, to put them on sale at prices many times lower than those that stood on these stamps while they were considered rarer than they were now. The philatelic community immediately started suing the post office and won the case, the stamps were not put on sale. I don't know where they went or whether they surfaced later, but then the court came to the conclusion that such unfair competition could not be allowed, which would affect those collectors and merchants who had already paid a much higher price for such stamps. The state was not allowed to lower people who have already incurred expenses, turn owners of rare stamps into owners of garbage. Well, then, we can talk about the case when people are going to compete on price (or even dump at zero - on someone else's-then you can be kind and just give it away to anyone) with the one who published the book, about which there is, therefore, more than unfair competition. I don't say a word when books that have already aged (even before the formal expiration of rights) are posted online (especially if the authors were not outraged); but not to let the author sell out, and not to wait for him to get into the trade, and impatiently yell a memorial service not even for the baby, but only while still watching the birth, - that's for sure... But why are you doing this to those to whom we will all be indebted first of all as authors?

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 10/30/2009 02: 59

generally a cool theme...
skladyvaetso oschuschenie after reading some afftarof that to them home barged dealers-dealers and having put a cold trunk to a temple have sounded the prices...
Expensive? Write your own book and publish it cheaper! What problems, it's like two fingers obasfalt! Is that right?
"a slave is a subject separated from the disposal of the results of their own labor"(C)
Authors (who have invested their Labor in the creation) have the right to name the price that they consider possible and normal. And no need to whine - there is no monopoly on vital goods.

I agree completely (although I spent a long time analyzing some words). Those who address the author of a book to other examples-where someone has some cheaper books - could easily address themselves to these examples and not buy expensive books, but buy the ones that are cheaper. Or does the analogy of examples hit them only in one gate? Give us exactly this one, but put prices on it exactly as you put on some other one?

A. Y., Eliza

I don't demand anything from the author. I know that there are doping prices, real and inflated, and I'm just stating a fact. The book can be issued in leather, diamonds, with gold crowding, with a dust jacket, etc. financial fraud, and you can proceed from questions of expediency and distinguish luxury items from scientific works.

I don't live and eat without the help of money, I just try not to take the maximum from the group of friends whose incomes are less than mine, but somehow take into account their income. And I think that to strive for the fact that for the sake of familiarizing yourself with your work, people would go to unload cars and limit themselves to food, is not good.

If you think that I do not know how much it costs for a citizen of the Russian Federation to travel to Tuva, then you are mistaken – I know perfectly well, I also know the cost of living in tents, and I know that the quality of research does not depend on the comfort of the hotel in which the author prefers to stay. I know that photo equipment abroad is much cheaper, and if a person can travel abroad, he will buy a photo camera there for $ 150, and not here exactly the same for $ 780.

I, like you, also think that authors who publish at thousandth prices are well aware of other opportunities. But they just don't want to go to a meeting with their colleagues. I have already said: give me your last name and I will tell you how much this book will cost and in what design it will be released.

Now let's go back to the libraries. Remember the noise that authors made when libraries decided to create a global network and put books on the Internet. They stressed that it was only about scientific papers, but nevertheless the pressure from the scientific community was so great that now books should be stored for several years (as I understand it, until they become obsolete), and then they can be uploaded. But do we have a library with entomological literature in every locality, where you can just go and see? So leave out the libraries, they are not available to everyone.

"War and Peace", comes out at a price of 172 rubles. for two volumes. Compare with entomolgic literature with "Playboy" is not worth it. It's like comparing a shoe to an orange. Our strippers get more doctorates. So the price of Playboy is just proportional to the audience's salary. And the price of scientific books is not always the same.

Here the question is simple: are there any opportunities to make the book more accessible without losing the quality of the information part? There is. Why don't they release it? Yes, because they believe that they will work less at a higher price and earn more. And we return to what I said at the beginning, which so outraged the public: "We do not know how to work on volumes. Only on prices."

And consumers suffer. It is not normal to assume that if a person needs information (and only information), then he will not go anywhere and will pay for designer garbage, even if it makes the use of the book less convenient, suitable only to show off beautifully on the shelf. If the entomologist, our Russian entomologist, with his Russian s/p will take care of the appearance of the cover devoid of carpet, he will calmly wrap it with a piece of paper, while working with the book. Which will cost him much less with the same result. When working more or less actively with the book, the super loses its appearance and becomes untidy after a year. They came up with super not fools, but they came up with it, as well as many things sold in this world, to increase profits. No more than that.

You would be absolutely right if there were no works that come out at completely different prices, not measured in thousands of rubles.

By the way, my mention of gold-embossed carpets is not slander, it is taken from Yakovlev's post when he spoke about the design of the book. And I say this from his words.

PS. Naturally, books are bought, which is cheaper. There is no problem here, there is a bewilderment in the attitude of some scientists towards their fellow colleagues, which can be traced through the amounts billed. There is clearly no obvious scientific desire to share their best practices with the public.

The butterfly man.
The authors have the right, but also the buyers have the right, to say: "The thing is good, but not for such money." And don't shut them up.

Ju-lia
he will pay for the design garbage-let's slowly move away from the fact that our Russian entomologist, with his Russian salary, will be content with books published on bad paper, with faded photos.
If I don't have enough money to buy literature, I try to earn it (because there is a great goal).
As they say: who wants-looking for funds, who doesn't want-looking for reasons....

But do we have a library with entomological literature in every locality, where you can just go and see? So leave out the libraries, they are not available to everyone.

That's for sure. In the city library of Feodosia (85 thousand inhabitants) there is already a whole one book on entomology - "School Atlas-a guide to butterflies" by M. P. Cornelio.

Ju-lia
he will pay for the design garbage-let's slowly move away from the fact that our Russian entomologist, with his Russian salary, will be content with books published on bad paper, with faded photos.
If I don't have enough money to buy literature, I try to earn it (because there is a great goal).
As they say: who wants to-looks for the means, who does not want to-looks for the reasons....

Well, actually, none of the cheaper books I presented were published on bad paper with faded photos.

As they say, abroad the ratio of wages to goods is less, because the mentality there is different, not ready to take off the last pants.

Guys, that's enough. Although it is a fascinating business - to count money in other people's pockets. almost a national sport. Sorry, I couldn't resist reading that day about how miserable and miserable we are.
Well, it's expensive, the quality doesn't match the price - so don't take it. The print run will lie around for a year or two and will be sold out for a song, at the sale you will take it for a penny.
If you like it, take it. Earn money and buy. Or write your own, publish it, sell it, and use the proceeds to buy a book of a Novel.
Or change the author's copies...)))

That's for sure. In the city library of Feodosia (85 thousand inhabitants) there is already a whole one book on entomology - "School Atlas-a guide to butterflies" by M. P. Cornelio.    

If the IBA network is already covered there, then we will not hold our authors financially responsible for this either. The situation with libraries in our country is also manure. At the academic institute where I work, the main stocks of foreign literature in the library are what came in during the periods of terror and dead wood, and during the period of suction to the world civilization, only random crumbs come to the library from abroad.

For another question. Work "on volumes "(which makes sense to talk about in the aspect of a noticeable price reduction) begins not where instead of 1000 pieces they will publish 1100, but where instead of 1000 they will publish, say, 10000. And with such an overstatement of the circulation, you can fly into the capital pipe without selling even half of it, even at a naturally lower price, there will be no demand. That is, the circle of possible buyers will expand so dramatically that not only I, T. Ripper and T. Taler will get there, but also people who do not need it at all for a ruble, but to reduce the price to the ruble is already unthinkable. I'm being rude, but I think the point is clear. By the way, here they deliberately limit the problem to publishing expenses, and this book is of a completely different kind. If an author doesn't feed off his books (including those), he won't create shit for his favorite colleagues either. Do you need it? Then there will be no book at all, because the author will have to earn extra money, and he will be able to spend only his annual vacation on driving (even in addition to the problem of funds). How many centuries do you think he will be collecting material for the book? Please understand that the creators of such faunal works, which have to be based on freshly obtained material, and not limited to compiling old information (and we are talking about such regions), cannot tie themselves to the office chair for 11 months a year. It's either or. We are talking about professional work, when the work that you do to convey your achievements to your favorite colleagues, and the work that can only feed you (including considerable expenses for the work itself), are one and the same job. This situation is not comparable to working on texts that do not require traveling around the country for several months a year, or at most related to official business trips from the main place of work, which is not lost at the same time.

By the way, who told you, friends, that T. Yakovlev takes "to the maximum"? Twenty-five again...

As for the fact that "a person needs information and only information". Even before Ivan Fyodorov, it was known that it can be not only textual, but also graphic. They even knew before the Old Russian chronicles with their miniatures. There is a limit to simplification for the sake of cheapening, and this limit is historically mobile, it is growing, and today we can only demand that we limit ourselves to a couple of vignettes from the time of Boisduval instead of the necessary angles of high-quality photography and instead of multi-color maps of areas. And I understand the situation with our money myself. We can't buy all the scientific literature we need, as we could under Brezhnev, because now it is much more expensive, but in the field of entomological illustrated atlases-and a thousand times better (and this, I repeat, is also necessary for the scientific and informative side of the matter). Buy a book-tell me where and what kind of illustration (in this book, damn it, in this one, and not in any other!!!!) it was necessary, like an eyesore, to make pomonochromny and on paper softer, and until then, the conversation about this is not constructive...

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 10/30/2009 16: 11

By the way, my mention of gold-embossed carpets is not slander, it is taken from Yakovlev's post when he spoke about the design of the book. And I say this from his words.
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The authors have the right, but also the buyers have the right, to say: "The thing is good, but not for such money." And don't shut them up.

I understood about the carpets, so it was just a figure of speech, that's all right, never mind.

They don't shut their mouths here, they just get indignant, and not with correct statements like "The thing is good, but not for such money" (God forbid to be offended for this, buyers always dance from their own funds, and not from the author's situation, etc.), but with more emotional (sometimes personal) attacks on this occasion, yes also with threats to undermine the market with counterfeit goods. I hope that our outrages will not be "silenced" either? (Especially since we limit ourselves to words and do not threaten action). That's good. And from the current prices, we are all sitting on validol...

I don't see anything incorrect. Moreover, I repeat, we are not talking about a luxury item, but about scientific work.
You make it sound as if science is a market that can be undermined by counterfeit goods. Scientific research is never counterfeit, and the more scientists can get acquainted with it, the more active is the exchange of opinions. Otherwise, it turns out that some of the scientists can financially afford to get acquainted with the works sold at a high price, they will be aware of the latest research, and those who are not - fall into outsiders. And the works just settle on the shelves of rich near-scientific deliters, who may open it once.

This post was edited by Ju-lia - 10/30/2009 17: 37

But do we have a library with entomological literature in every locality, where you can just go and see?

Dear Ju-lia, you are not in a chat (where in a certain sense quick reaction is welcome), but in a forum (i.e. you have the opportunity to think – "think", write, reread and only then click "reply"; in the end, you even have the opportunity to edit your message). Why do I say the obvious things?
Please explain: Did you make a joke about the village ("each locality")? It's a joke, isn't it?
If so, then what kind of smiley face would you put... (However, this would deprive your remark of pathos)
If you are "no kidding", then please specify ("we have in every locality") "you" - this is where? Not in France, that's for sure (I know it myself), and not in the SASS, that's for sure; so where? On Mars, unless…
In Russia, however, not "in every locality" there is a grocery store… You and the ballet and opera theaters-do you want to go to every locality? Do you seriously think that he (a resident of "every locality" - in the good sense of the word "peasant" that is) needs to "see" the "entomological literature"? (I keep silent about the fact that they "watch" cartoons, and read books) . "Man" - he is wise, and knows that "it is better to touch once than to look 10 times".

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If the content of these articles is "without emoticons", then I will think for a long time whether I need to read them, even "from free"...
But what is completely beyond my ability to understand is what the content of your (and not only, for the sake of justice, I will add) remarks has to do with Yakovlev?
The writer writes, the reader reads, the publisher ... (well, in general, publishes and earns money from it). The author and the price of the book (if the author is not a publisher) are practically unrelated in any way (the" name " of the author does not count). The author (again, sorry for the obvious things) enters into a contract with the publisher, receives a fee and, as a rule, everything... Then he does not control the process. Paper density, book format, the presence (absence) of a dust jacket, and much more are discussed with the author, but only as an exception (the author's opinion on this subject in the vast majority of cases is only his wish). But the price of a copy of a future book is never discussed with the author! It's not his business, autorovo. The price that the publisher specifies can be determined by any (any) factors (factors) from a long list: from the book market situation to the ambitions (or even whims) of the publisher.
What does Yakovlev have to do with it? If he had been a publisher, they would have" nagged " him, appealing to Mother Teresa...
As for the prices of books, there is a dispute-do not argue ... The initial positions of the debaters are not reducible to each other. In the I-Ching style, " there will be no understanding." The productivity of such a "dispute" is zero. Rozanov's "fallen leaf" is closer to me: "Books are not vodka, they should be expensive. Cheap books – lack of culture". Otherwise, I will add from myself," in every locality " its sheets will be allowed to be wiped, pipifax is expensive now.

And there is an example on the forum - Roman Yakovlev. He does what he likes, what his heart is set on, has enough money for an annual circumnavigation of the world, is awash in grants, money is given to him, international organizations allocate it, and gets it well

Indeed, I'm also envious! That's what we would do! Maybe we can "drop" it to the tax service, so that he, as we have become ... so that he does not get "good"?

Let me leave my style of communication. You are the only one in many years who was not happy with it.
We have it in Russia. I didn't joke about every locality, and it's not necessarily a village, just go to the library of the regional center and see what is there. By the way, I'd like to know. How do you imagine that you can make a mandatory 16 copies? distribute it to all libraries? At least in all scientific libraries? I'm not at all sure that the law on mandatory copy somehow applies to foreign publishing houses.
So it's NOT a joke. Joked, those who decided to remind you about the existence of libraries, if the book for 5500 is not affordable.

To be honest, I don't care if you personally read my articles or not. They are not written to you.

I'm not talking about Yakovlev personally, I'm talking about books. I haven't touched Yakovlev in any way yet in my posts.

Rozanov's statement reminded me: "Why teach the people? If we teach the people, then how will we differ from them?" I don't remember who, but, imho, it was Macedonian.

And the book will be allowed to wipe the book at any price, but in your case it will be expensive toilet paper (if the book is worth it). But a cheap, but necessary book does not go to the wipe. You just said it in such a way that I thought do books on gloss make it harder to use as a wipe?

To be honest, I don't care if you personally read my articles or not.

It is, of course, the "great and mighty" Russian language, but these evil "uncle publishers" require commas to be placed in the text not only to increase the number of printed characters (then-and the price of the book). Without commas, you can't tell whether to pardon or execute. And I didn't get it: who's going to give a damn? "personally" me or" personally " you, dear Ju-lia?

Oh! the guardians of "for the people"... sami book is not able to buy but please et daaa....
I don't think you should hide behind the "interests of science" to justify your inability to buy a drool-to-the-floor book for YOURSELF.
I consider it a habit of freebies and rudeness to present such claims to authors. Who are not required to do charity work just because someone has "do you know what the salary of scientists is".
You yourself (whining) what was written and distributed to libraries in the provinces??? get your books published and save the day. From this will be the Case! You give a personal example!
consumerists...loving freebies

Well, actually, none of the cheaper books I presented were published on bad paper with faded photos.

Other books again. How many times have you been told-who's bothering you? Develop one and publish it wherever you want, then sell it for a penny. Or buy these others.

As they say, abroad the ratio of wages to goods is less, because the mentality there is different, not ready to take off the last pants.

For such a "mentality", you need to live in a metropolitan country, and not in the opposite type. That's why books are here today for half a fee, because somewhere a normal one-day income is enough to buy them and still remains for a living. Separately (by themselves), many of your comments are very correct, but the trouble is that there is nothing to do with them in this problem. Once again, reading them, I remember the words of a classic: the method of sophists at all times is to give examples related to obviously dissimilar cases. Not all of" zarubezh "is the" zarubezh " you are talking about, and not even most of it. It is easy to see this if you look at the WHO figures for child and adolescent mortality worldwide for a year and think about whether it is much easier to buy new illustrated scientific publications in the relevant countries (and not in those that you can see), and whether it is even worth it there. In general, they would look at our branch and see what great economic problems are causing a storm in a glass of water here, and they would say: "Guys, the rooster hasn't really pecked you yet, so you're mad with fat..." The neocolonial structure of the world economy is primary, and the "mentality" is secondary. After 1917 (not to mention after the creation of a nuclear bomb, which is already very close to the enemy in which case you will not blurt out), no one leaves without pants and does not anger the nearest neighbor beyond measure, and before that, child labor in factories was calmly exploited in very civilized Britain. At the beginning of the twentieth century, we tweaked their "mentality" a little, now they are smart and do not strip their clothes off, because they have enough money for how many they undress in other parts of the world. You and I are one of them, and I congratulate you on that. So it's a sin to cite their mentality as an example here, it's already here for us, it's also paid for by the Russian hump. I'm sorry that I have to explain the general questions, but the particular ones that you are superficially talking about can't be solved without it.

I'm not happy either. a lot of words, little meaning. whether you want it for free or cheap, don't be surprised that you'll get sick in your old age.

And who is talking about free? There is a Bentley, there is a Volvo, there is a UAZ. All of them have a different purpose and a different circle of consumers, under which prices are sharpened, unlike some books addressed to scientists, but displayed at the prices of luxury goods. I can continue on about health. The gym in the cheap "Empire of Fitness" is not almost worse than the expensive one in the "Word Class". A glass of milk with honey is more effective than Arbidol.

Justus
To be honest, I don't understand what this is all about. I DON't live with my friends or rip off my colleagues. Envious? Instead of thematic arguments about commas, leave them for your wife. I'm not accusing you of starting to talk by forgetting to finish reading and confusing the initiator of the" send " to the library.

The butterfly man.
What makes you think I can'T buy it?" And here charity, freebies, etc. expressive rubbish. We are talking about a good price for a good job, not a sky-high price for a pig in a poke. And stop blaming me. One reproaches the fact that I print for free, the other calls out " take it and publish it. You give a personal example! " Yes, a lot of examples. Sea. Including in the entomological literature. And you don't have to pretend that no one here knows about it. And wring your hands indignantly because of not grateful readers surprised by the price.

Meanwhile, the new book, because of which all the fuss has risen, will quietly sell out in full circulation both here and abroad.

A. Y. Elezu
I don't sell books. I don't have a registered legal entity, I don't have the right to engage in trade, I don't want to bother with paying sales taxes on the one hand, but I also don't want to break a number of laws on the other.

Wow, how you drove the mentality! So, inflating prices is our mentality, and being dissatisfied with them is not ours?
The problem can be solved. How other scientists solve it. Tell me, which of my examples does not apply to a similar case? They differ only in one thing-the publishing house.
The WHO figures (at least in our country) came up when they began to believe that a book should be much more expensive than a bottle of vodka, and not vice versa. And you don't need to get wrapped up in this evil bourgeoisie. On the ground, we will do it ourselves.

Meanwhile, the new book, because of which all the fuss was raised, will quietly sell out in full circulation both here and abroad.

If they had only published one book and put it up for 1290E, then even that book would have been bought sooner or later.

Yes, this is all talk about "apply for a Mercedes". If possible, buy it.
Who's against it???
No one but the author himself who has invested his Knowledge and Skills has the right to evaluate these Works of his. If afftar is fucked up and drives nipadecki away, then no one will buy his book.
It's all very simple. Buy it? So the book is worth it.
Everyone decides for themselves how and what to write and publish. Dima Morgun, for example, publishes purely for science, and many people also for making money. Why do you deny them this right? Are they deceiving someone, fleecing them, or forcing them on them? Also no... Earn honestly - no monopoly or geshefta.
And conversations about publishing houses (addressed to authors) here in general-inadequate, because there are no publishers noticed.