Should scientific publications be publicly available?

Only, kovyl, please clearly write down these positions-otherwise people will be too lazy to read the entire "free" branch.

oh, what an amazing farce.

Only, kovyl, please clearly write down these positions-otherwise people will be too lazy to read the entire "free" branch.

Maybe, but it's a break-in to paint everything again. Let them not be lazy and read. Secondly, I will not take rhopalocera to describe its position.

This post was edited by kovyl - 03.11.2010 22: 10

Oh, what an amazing farce.

No comments

I will abstain from voting for the time being. The questions were asked incorrectly. If you are really interested in statistics of forum members 'opinions, you should specify the questions (and, judging by the content of the topic "About book prices and freebies", two questions are clearly not enough to reflect the full range of opinions).

I will abstain from voting for the time being. The questions were asked incorrectly. If you are really interested in statistics of forum members 'opinions, you should specify the questions (and, judging by the content of the topic "About book prices and freebies", two questions are clearly not enough to reflect the full range of opinions).

Yes, Kovyl definitely did not teach...
And what to do for those who are in favor of the availability of publications, but given the whole bouquet of your s rhopalocera.com judgments, does not accept either one or the other point of view?

I agree with Papever! You can't possibly be released to the west either. Immediately there is someone's throat snack from culture shock.

I will abstain from voting for the time being. The questions were asked incorrectly. If you are really interested in statistics of forum members 'opinions, you should specify the questions (and, judging by the content of the topic "About book prices and freebies", two questions are clearly not enough to reflect the full range of opinions).

By the way, in this topic I raised the issue of the number of positions. Why didn't you say anything then?

I agree with Papever! You can't possibly be released to the west either. Immediately there is someone's throat snack from culture shock.

Well, Rum...

I mean , if a person doesn't want to publish on clay tablets, wants to easily get the necessary information out of the PC (sorry for the unintentional pun), BUT can't formulate a problem and relevant questions, then why does he need this easily accessible information?
Kovyl, go for a start in the methodology and methodology.
And this one... sorry for the abruptness. Then evaluate it. And now it's time to talk about outdated standards, inertia, retrogrades and dependence on other people's opinions, judgments and rules.

Yes, Kovyl definitely did not teach...
And what to do for those who are in favor of the availability of publications, but given the whole bouquet of your s rhopalocera.com judgments, does not accept either one or the other point of view?

Yes, I'm sorry, I didn't teach in elementary school. I graduated from the wrong university in the wrong specialty.
For those who can't decide, it's hard to give any advice. Again, it was necessary to express a position earlier that could be put to a vote. I don't even know. You can do this. During the week, we will express our positions and if they radically differ from the two current ones, we will announce a second vote? Maybe I'll even vote for yours.

Well, Rum...

I mean , if a person doesn't want to publish on clay tablets, wants to easily get the necessary information out of the PC (sorry for the unintentional pun), BUT can't formulate a problem and relevant questions, then why does he need this easily accessible information?
Kovyl, go for a start in the methodology and methodology.
And this one... sorry for the abruptness. Then evaluate it. And now it's time to talk about outdated standards, stagnation, retrogrades, and dependence on other people's opinions, judgments, and rules.

Don't you take too much on yourself when evaluating a stranger in this way?
I can say in turn that people who can not assimilate chewed-chewed should not evaluate others.

This post was edited by kovyl - 03.11.2010 22: 47

Dim, my position is simple: there are rules - we play by them; we can change them - we change them, we can't-we simplify our lives. in various ways.
And we don't waste time criticizing what is clearly visible to the naked eye as imperfect.
And as for teaching, I don't understand your nonsense. However, most likely, you do not have children and, therefore, you have not thought about it. Give us a deadline...

This post was edited by Papaver - 03.11.2010 22: 51

And my position is also simple - the rules need to be changed from time to time according to the level of development of civilization, otherwise they would just sit in trees.
Since everything is so clearly visible, what is not clear about my position and what prevents me from voting?

And as for teaching, I don't understand your nonsense. However, most likely, you do not have children and, therefore, you have not thought about it. Give us a deadline...

Here is an extra proof of the fact that because of their own arrogance, people get into galoshes. I have a son, he's five and a half.

This post was edited by kovyl - 03.11.2010 22: 55

Naturally, all the nuances outlined in the numerous posts of the topic "About book prices and freebies"are taken into account.

Well, how do you think you can take into account all the nuances, driving them into the Procrustean bed of only two questions?

By the way, in this topic I raised the issue of the number of positions. Why didn't you say anything then?

Yes, because I have my own opinion on this matter, but I'm not going to impose it on anyone. After all, this survey is your own initiative. If you want to get a representative sample , ask questions accordingly. By dividing opinions into "black" and "white", without shades, you limit the number of people who want to vote. And how to specifically formulate the questions-decide for yourself, this is your survey.

And my position is also simple - the rules need to be changed from time to time according to the level of development of civilization, otherwise they would just sit in trees.
Since everything is so clearly visible, what is not clear about my position and what prevents me from voting?

About "civilization" and the level of its development - a long conversation. Moreover, in our case, our measurements are completely different.
Your position is clear to me. What about you? Do you really believe in your bold dream of changing the ICZN and the publication rules by voting on this forum on the question " for the opinion of Kovyl or for the opinion of Ropalocera?", which many are simply too lazy to read?

I agree with Papever! You can't possibly be released to the west either. Immediately there is someone's throat snack from culture shock.

Ah, well, where are we to the Barnaul aristocrats?.. With our cloth snout.

Here. Another proof of the fact that because of their own arrogance, people get into galoshes. I have a son, he's five and a half.

You're forcing me to be sharp, my dear. This is an additional proof of your civic (I will limit myself, perhaps) immaturity.

About "civilization" and the level of its development - a long conversation. Moreover, in our case, our measurements are completely different.
Your position is clear to me. What about you? Do you really believe in your bold dream of changing the ICZN and the publication rules by voting on this forum on the question " for the opinion of Kovyl or for the opinion of Ropalocera?", which many are simply too lazy to read?

Once everything is clear-vote or offer your own.
Yes, I do. I do not really believe that I will find these times, but I am sure that if nothing is done, they will come very soon.
Those who are too lazy to read can choose not to read or vote. I don't need mass participation. I'm not going to hold a victory parade. In general, I do not welcome laziness.

You're forcing me to be sharp, my dear. This is an additional proof of your civic (I will limit myself, perhaps) immaturity.

Having a son?

You can't possibly be released to the west either. Immediately there is someone's throat snack from culture shock.

But this is superfluous. It's not up to you, or me, to decide who gets released where. Don't you agree, Roman?" And, thank God, gone are the days when there was a caste of "banned people". And in general, from your statement slightly strikes idolo (zapado)worship...

Don't you take too much on yourself when evaluating a stranger in this way?
I can say in turn that people who can not assimilate chewed-chewed should not evaluate others.

I read your texts. And I see your "survey". No more than that.
"The fool himself" is also a tactic. But try something more sophisticated...

And this is what the usual survey And happiness was so close can turn into: just briefly state two positions...

Having a son?

Of course not. We can only congratulate you on this.

Ah, well, where are we to the Barnaul aristocrats?.. With our cloth snout.

Please don't react so harshly, Dmitry. The phrase "with our cloth snout", I hope, is not worthy of you. It is clearly Lumpen, like "we did not finish academies". Roman was overly categorical, and you'd better just ignore his incorrectness. I think so.

Please don't react so harshly, Dmitry. The phrase "with our cloth snout", I hope, is not worthy of you. It is clearly Lumpen, like "we did not finish academies". Roman was overly categorical, and you'd better just ignore his incorrectness. I think so.

But you know, excessive categoricality is not from a great mind. In the end, if you blurt out something wrong, you can edit the post or apologize in extreme cases.

This post was edited by kovyl - 03.11.2010 23: 25

And this is what the usual survey And happiness was so close can turn into: just briefly state two positions...

Happiness-it rarely falls on your head. Sometimes you need to fight for it. It is impossible to briefly outline the two main paradigms of society. And the question, in fact, is precisely this. And publications are just a private manifestation.

Yes, the survey didn't come out very well. I should repeat it

You probably even need to do two surveys here.

First
,do you agree that all scientific articles should be "mirrored" on the Web and be publicly available?

Not really


Second
, will it be better for science if purely electronic journals become generally accepted?
Yes
No

I don't mind.

Yes, the farce is amazing. I'm out of popcorn - can I have a coke?

I apologize for my statement, just tired from all this. That's what happened. Keep it simple, Dmitry. Take the problem more simply, change your attitude to it, because from your survey, books will not be free and magazines will not be free either.

I don't know who has what position.
I am grateful for the availability of scientific works - since they are necessary for further work of other people. I.e., without studying the predecessors, you will not write anything sensible yourself.
But how this accessibility is provided is another question - libraries, research centers, low prices for literature or something else is another question.

Still, in my opinion, in order to judge objectively, it is necessary not only to have experience in searching for scientific information and publishing your scientific results (collections of abstracts, journals, collective monographs, etc.), but also experience in publishing scientific literature (of any kind) at your own expense (and distribution).
Only then will it be possible to assess all aspects of the issue objectively.

In the question posed, I think it is necessary to add a definition,
available for whom?
for what group of people?
for everyone in general?

In the United States, for example, all papers related to the subject of research are available to undergraduates, graduate students, and generally all researchers working at the University. If you are not in the library, you will receive a copy of the article in one week for free.
If you are outside of school, you will have to pay for a copy (articles, books) and delivery out of your own pocket. Although, of course, many works become available free of charge to everyone after a certain number of years.
I don't know how fair that is?
I am aware that the situation with obtaining scientific information in Russia has always been on a different level.
Therefore, the requests may also be different.

This post was edited by amara - 04.11.2010 20: 30

I think this is already cunning, free access is not only free access, it is completely free access for everyone. No restrictions on any attributes.
Everything else is limited access, in all possible ways.

I think this is already cunning, free access is not only free access, it is completely free access for everyone. No restrictions on any attributes.
Everything else is limited access, in all possible ways.

This is probably how it will be under Communism. In the meantime, someone has to pay for writing the text, processing it, reviewing it, digitizing it, supporting networks, computers, and so on. If, of course, you take this matter seriously.

So here it has already been written a hundred times that everything has already been paid for, what does communism have to do with it, there will be no money under communism, wow! As far as I know, reviewing is not paid for. Writing text and processing is generally the work of authors, which is also supposed to be included in the grant, network support is the work of the IT sector, and authors pay the magazine for an article, so what should article consumers pay magazines for?

PS
did not think at all that authors pay, if they pay, - of course, it's not enough for circulation, but if there are electronic publications, then all this can also be supported by a very small grant, but in general I do not know how everything works there, maybe leading journals are already supported by grants or other subsidies.

This post was edited by Hierophis - 04.11.2010 21: 58

and who pays for the publication of their articles???

Someone pays for it. I wrote this on the basis of information on this forum, this concerns "Western" publications(well, what to share-kapstrany), but I unreasonably thought of this information and expanded it. But, as I later added below, it doesn't matter, even if the author pays, it's probably some kind of formal fee that doesn't solve anything in printing costs.

You understand what the problem is - here many people write what they don't know. How many articles do you have abroad? How many articles does the author have? Here you are hanging out anonymously-the forum is not a state house, but in fact a forum for many is a means to expand their knowledge of entomology, meet people, contacts, exchange, joint trips. There is not a single normal journal of entomology where they are published for money. Some people charge money for color tables.