Catocala (Noctuidae)

When I was preparing an article with an Iranian colleague on Iranian Catocala (not completed for some reason), I specifically asked him to cook all the copies from the Tehran museum that I thought looked like deducta. It turned out that there are both species and the ranges almost overlap. In European Russia, they are also quite sympathetic, although deducta is more southern. The typical deducta from Zaisan generally has white forewings (and this is clearly not an artifact), other individuals from Eastern Kazakhstan are also whitish or glaucous, so it is hardly possible to talk about the "deducta phenotype" - it is more variable than elocata. But I agree that the preparations of a number of order ribbons in Noctuidae Europaeae are unsuccessful.

I would be very grateful if you would write down what specific signs are really reliable and suitable for determining C. deducta.

I would be very grateful if you would write down what specific signs are really reliable and suitable for determining C. deducta.

I'll answer you later. Now at work I am overwhelmed with various requests, and the issue requires concentration. I will only say that I was more interested in the Asian material on deducta, so I can't guarantee that none of the signs can have a transition in Eastern Europe. It is possible that the situation here is close to puerpera-orientalis, but the problem can be solved convincingly only by molecular methods.
In general, I do not like to pick at these "elephants" - you will suffer until you make the drug. And they take up too much space in the collection. Therefore, my attitude to this popular group has long been negative.

but the problem can only be solved convincingly by molecular methods.

In other words, no differences were found in the tracks?

In other words, no differences were found in the tracks?

It seems that no one was looking for them. It is not so easy to get Catocala caterpillars-you can't find them in nature, because they all sit in the crowns, and you also need time and patience to get them out of the eggs, since the eggs need their own conditions for a long wintering period (except, perhaps, for some species). But the question is interesting. In some groups of dubious species, such as Euxoa tritici in the broad sense (tritici, nigrofusca, eruta), differences in caterpillars were still found.
In any case, in the West, everyone is now hoping for a"molecular".

It seems that no one was looking for them. It is not so easy to get Catocala caterpillars-you can't find them in nature, because they all sit in the crowns, and you also need time and patience to get them out of the eggs, since the eggs need their own conditions for a long wintering period (except, perhaps, for some species). ...In any case, in the West, everyone is now hoping for a"molecular".

I bred a lot and collected a lot of caterpillars of different types of butterflies, including "scoop-shaped" ones. With the genus Catocala, however, I had almost nothing to do, but from my own experience I can say that the eggs of all the butterfly species that I wintered with successfully moved over the winter (unlike wintering caterpillars, which are more difficult).
As for the search, I never specifically searched for caterpillars of this genus, but as a" by-product " I came across Catocala nymphagoga caterpillars. They came out without any problems.
Catocala, as well as other dendrophils, I shook off with a mallet, but in general, it may be easier to get eggs from the female.
But if you have a sequencer at hand, it's probably faster and easier to do a gene analysis, of course.

sponsu, promissu, nupta, fraxinu - found caterpillars in the cracks of the bark during the day at the level of 1-2 m from the ground, juveniles and preparing for pupation. eggs were taken from the female fraxina (October 1), they lay in a cold shed for the winter (up to -35). in the spring, vigorous worms a la moth came out. pupae love moisture. (Tambov and Lipetsk regions)

This post was edited by AGG - 22.01.2013 18: 55

I only found the caterpillar nupta once in St. Petersburg on the trunk of a poplar tree - already an adult, but the larvae of tachinus flies came out of it. A female fraxini laid her eggs in a box a year ago, but I didn't know what to do with them, so they dried up...

This month I am discussing the possibility of sequencing Far Eastern scoops, including tapeworms, with Reza Zahiri, who works at the University of Guelph (Canada), at his request. Last year I received fresh material from Primorye on cotton wool, which is suitable for this purpose. From Catocala there are nupta, lara, doerriesi, dissimilis, dula - it's not a pity to give all these banals to them entirely, then sequencing will be free.

Catocala fraxini (Linnaeus, 1758)
Ivanovo region, Shui district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, born
on 16.09.2012

26.08.2012

19.08.2012

20.08.2012

Catocala nupta (Linnaeus, 1767)
Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, born
on 26.07.2011

02.08.2011

Catocala adultera Menetries, 1856
Ivanovo region, Ivanovo, quarry "City", on the light, leg. Molodkin A. N.
25. 08. 1994


Catocala promissa ([Schiffermuller], 1775)
Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, born
on 24.07.2011

26.07.2011

Catocala pacta (Linnaeus, 1758)
Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, born
on 28.07.2012

25.07.2011

Catocala fulminea (Scopoli, 1763)
Ivanovo region, Shuisky district, Krasnoarmeyskoye village, garden plot No. 34, born
on 09.07.2012

15.07.2011

Your attention is drawn to another little - known species of very small yellow tapeworm-Catocala aestimabilis Staudinger, 1892.
The view was collected in the South-West. Kazakhstan on the Ili River, 1.07.2012 Ribbon-bearer the size of our usual pigeon Icarus, in the photo next to it. In the box with other ribbons, you can see how small they are, I haven't printed the sign yet!

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Dear forumchane! Three days ago, on July 4-5, 2013, I collected a male Catocala musmi (Hampson, 1913) on the wall of the office of the Bolshekhekhtsirsky Nature Reserve in Bychikha. If I'm not mistaken, this is only the third find in the world! The holotype was collected in Gensan, Korea, then the second specimen was caught by Grigory Grigoriev in Arsenyev on July 20, 1987, now - the third find and such a northern one! Please excuse me for the "rough" photo. In winter, the find will be published in the Amur Zoological Journal, including a photo of the male's genitals.

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Dear forumchane! Three days ago, on July 4-5, 2013, I collected a male Catocala musmi (Hampson, 1913) on the wall of the office of the Bolshekhekhtsirsky Nature Reserve in Bychikha. If I'm not mistaken, this is only the third find in the world! The holotype was collected in Gensan, Korea, then the second specimen was caught by Grigory Grigoriev in Arsenyev on July 20, 1987, now - the third find and such a northern one! Please excuse me for the "rough" photo. In winter, the find will be published in the Amur Zoological Journal, including a photo of the male's genitals.

In the summer of 2010, one instance was caught by kazax in d.Novovladimirovka, in the summer of 2011, two specimens of C. musmi were caught on UV in the village of Anuchino (sdi13, mikee, vicgrr). This was reported here. So, it's not so rare

This post was edited by mikee-08.07.2013 15: 22

Some more Far Eastern stuff.

Catocala lara
July 24


Catocala fulminea
July 9


Catocala agitatrix
July 9


Catocala
proxeneta July 1

Blagoveshchensk, Amur Region

Catocala agitatrix
July 27


Catocala deuteronympha (sort of)
July 28


Catocala helena
July 28


Catocala
proxeneta July 28


This post was edited by Bianor-05.08.2013 03: 16

Catocala dula

Male:
July 31, 2013


Female:

July 30, 2013


Catocala electa

August 2


All from Blagoveshchensk Amur oblast

Put it all together:

http://bianor.livejournal.com/33876.html

Tapeworms, Nocturnals, or order ribbons (Latin: Catocala)
Catocala hermia (H. Edwards, 1880)is a moth in the family Noctuidae They are found in North America: Canada and the USA.

North America, Southwest Idaho, July 15, 2013


The caterpillars feed on poplar and willow leaves.

July 23, 2013 North.America, Lucky Peak Lake, Idaho.
Wonderful Mimicry

Catocala armandi- China, Shaanxi

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Catocala fredi 10-12. 06. 2015 Azerbaijan. Gabala district, surrounding settlement. Turianchai. Pistachio-juniper forest. On the light. leg. Kravchenko I., Kiselev V.

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And what are the distinguishing features of nupta from adultera?
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In C. nupta, the wings are not as bright as in C. adultera.
I was taught that the difference is the presence of a "coffee bean" on the front fenders of nupta

Catocala hymenaea (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775) from Akhtubinsk, Astrakhan region. According to the blue, it is not in the Astrakhan region, and here 5 pieces flew in overnight. 8.07.2016

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Catocala puerpera / orientalis two females and a male, Akhtubinsk, Astrakhan region. 08.07.2016

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Catocala neonympha (Esper, 1805), Akhtubinsk, Astrakhan region. 08.07.2016

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Catocala nupta

But not very frequent Catocala adultera!
They're already pupating.
Then I'll post photos of pupae and butterflies.

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Now about the stages of development of Catocala adultera.

Eggs were received on 17.08.2016 from a female who arrived on 12.08.2016.
The eggs were wintered under the snow at a depth of half a meter, in an airtight plastic container, on cotton wool.
The caterpillars were removed from the pit at the dacha on 1.05.2017 and transported home.
the tracks were released on 18.05.2017. Fed aspen, as it should be.
The beginning of pupation (they began to braid into light cocoons) 7-9. 06. 2017.
That's all for now, I'm waiting for the butterflies. I think they should be released in early July.

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Today, 29.06.2017, the first male Catocala adultera was released.
This means that the pupal stage is 22 days from the moment the caterpillar braids into a light cocoon until the butterfly comes out. The others are also about to come out already the wing pattern is visible through the pupa.

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Now spread out three pairs of Catocala adultera.

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The caterpillars were removed from the pit at the dacha on 1.05.2017 and transported home.

Thank you for the information! Compared with how I displayed it.
You probably got more eggs out of the pit, not more caterpillars.
I apologize for the correction.

Thank you for the information! Compared with how I displayed it.
You probably got more eggs out of the pit, not more caterpillars.
I apologize for the correction.

Of course, I was wrong. The eggs overwinter.

Now the life cycle of Catocala elocata.

Eggs were given to me by Vladimir Savchuk, Republic of Crimea, Feodosia, Primorskiy settlement.
Thank you very much to him!
Eggs received by Vladimir 24-27. 08. 2016.
The eggs were sent to me by mail and wintered at my dacha under the snow at a depth of half a meter, in a pit, in an airtight plastic container, on cotton wool.
Eggs were removed from the pit at the dacha on 1.05.2017 and transported home.
the tracks were released on 23-30. 05. 2017. I fed him poplar.
The beginning of pupation (they began to braid into light cocoons) 27.06-12.07.2017.
Butterflies were published from 26.07-17.08.2017.
It is noteworthy that the release of butterflies coincided with my expedition to the Kuril Islands.
I divided the pupae, took some of them with me, and left some of the pupae and caterpillars to my wife. She did as well as I did!

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Pupae...

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What butterflies...

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Now the life cycle of Catocala elocata.

Eggs were given to me by Vladimir Savchuk, Republic of Crimea, Feodosia, Primorskiy settlement.
Thank you very much to him!
Eggs received by Vladimir 24-27. 08. 2016.
The eggs were sent to me by mail and wintered at my dacha under the snow at a depth of half a meter, in a pit, in an airtight plastic container, on cotton wool.
The caterpillars were removed from the pit at the dacha on 1.05.2017 and transported home.
the tracks were released on 23-30. 05. 2017. I fed him poplar.
The beginning of pupation (they began to braid into light cocoons) 27.06-12.07.2017.
Butterflies were published from 26.07-17.08.2017.
It is noteworthy that the release of butterflies coincided with my expedition to the Kuril Islands.
I divided the pupae, took some of them with me, and left some of the pupae and caterpillars to my wife. She did as well as I did!

Thank you for your valuable information. A couple of questions:
1. What time of day do caterpillars feed and how often do they cycle?
2. do you have any elocata / deducta?

Thank you for your valuable information. A couple of questions:
1. What time of day do caterpillars feed and how often do they cycle?
2. do you have any elocata / deducta?

Caterpillars ate more often at night, although during the day too, but at night more actively.
We don't have deductions/elokats.
And I didn't breed it because we don't have it, I also bred a couple of hundred fraxini. Just for fun...
A little later I'll post about fraxini)

Caterpillars ate more often at night, although during the day too, but at night more actively.

What about cloudy weather?

But I didn't make any special observations here

Now the expanded Catocala elocata brood series

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And this elokata / deducta from the Astrakhan region

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