Euphydryas and Melitaea

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In different ways. Almost none now.
The female is crookedly straightened - she was removed from the straightener very early...

Can your guests post their own photos? M. ninae - Western Tien Shan, Chimgan. M. sibina - Almaty region, Bakanas

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Can your guests post their own photos?

need it!
Each registered guest - automatically your own!

Then a couple more pictures from Buryatia, Goose Lake.

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It is no wonder that males have accumulated on a certain patch of soil, but what did you have to do with the net so that the males would stick to it so much?..

Some kind of bait?

You in Ivanovo really need to know what kind of bait you need to use so that the males fly off

You in Ivanovo really need to know what kind of bait you need to use so that the males come together

Opposite sex

It is no wonder that males have accumulated on a certain patch of soil, but what did you have to do with the net so that the males would stick to it so much?..

Andrey, this is not for you to put maggots on the trails!

I. e. urinate on a net? 0_o

Andrey, this is not for you to put maggots on the trails!

Well, you're all about the maggots .
They love flowers!
Melitaea athalia Rottemburg, 1775? (in my opinion).
Picture taken: 28.06.2009 Here: M. O. Balashikha district, Zheleznodorozhny district.

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Gentlemen, what kind of larval ferromones do countertops fly to?

Gentlemen, what kind of larval ferromones do countertops fly to?

I don't know about shashechnits, but I removed perelivnits with tweezers from previously deposited Homo sapiens larvae .

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/32256612 "who's that?"

I think this is Melitaea arduinna

  http://www.panoramio.com/photo/32256612 "who's that?"

Species of Melitaea (didyma) interrupta. Definitely not arduinna.

And where can I find information about the twin species of M. roberti - M. trivia and M. punica - M. phoebe checkers ??

Dear colleagues, if anyone from outside has information on Clossiana selenis Ev. on the territory of the European part of Russia, please report in PM.

PG18 - I have never seen C. angarensis (Erschoff, 1870) can it be confused with C. selenis ?? And what is this taxon sp. samkoi (Sheljuzhko, 1931)??

[quote=Andreas, 17.01.2009 21: 26] - People! "help me!" - I really need photos of Melitaea caucasogenita (I couldn't find them on the Internet); - and then I can't understand what I have... - she or M. aurelia.... - We have on KMV they seem to be both found ...
- (I couldn't find it on the Internet).
In the topic "Identifying butterflies" on one of the last pages, I put up several checkers, one of them was identified as Melitaea caucasogenita. Page 223, post from 13.02.10 23: 11.

This post was edited by sergey nyu - 24.02.2010 19: 33

Dear colleagues, if anyone from outside has information on Clossiana selenis Ev. on the territory of the European part of Russia, please report in PM.

PG18 - I have never seen C. angarensis (Erschoff, 1870) can it be confused with C. selenis ?? And what is this taxon sp. samkoi (Sheljuzhko, 1931)??

Selenis as I understand it is described from the Middle Volga. Females are a VERY specific subspecies of angarensis from Western Siberia. Described from Tobolsk. sporadically available in the Tyumen, Omsk, and Novosibirsk regions. Thank you for clarifying the situation to Andrey Kareev andylog...

Selenis as I understand it is described from the Middle Volga. Females are a VERY specific subspecies of angarensis from Western Siberia. Described from Tobolsk. sporadically available in the Tyumen, Omsk, and Novosibirsk regions. Thank you for clarifying the situation to Andrey Kareev andylog...

Novel !
Where does the Omsk Region information come from? I don't know anything about it!

I wrote this from baldy - I think he is in the ryams of the Omsk region. I think you have this type of swamp... If there is in Tobolsk and in the NSO, then it probably exists in the Omsk region as well.
My indication here is nothing more than a guess

ah, well, then everything is clear yes, this type of course should be, but so far we have not met it yet.

To get a bit of background on C. selenise, check out the latest issue of Nature of the Simbirsk Volga Region, Issue # 10, 2009. Where was our article published with Robert Kichigin (Ulyanovsk) on the discovery of selenis in the Ulyanovsk region.

Selenis was described from near Kazan by Eversmann, Butlerov collected it there, and no one else met it there...

Roman and what does your phrase"Thank you for explaining the situation to Andrey Kareev andylog ..." mean?

Is this subspecies of angarensis still afloat or unknown???

samkoi is a subspecies of angarensis. In the initial description, it was assigned to selenis by mistake, described from Tobolsk in this combination: Boloria selenis (ssp.) samkoi Sheljuzhko, 1931.

Cm. Yu.P. Korshunov "Lepidoptera from the collection of the Tobolsk Museum of Local Lore" with explanations.

However, this subspecies is included in the well-known book by Tuzov et al. as C. selenis samkoi. Even more so, here's how::
"The Polar Urals and Yamal Peninsula are inhabited by the ssp. samkoi (Sheljuzhko, 1931)"

Generally speaking, my opinion is that this fact negates the entire attempt to classify the Ural and West Siberian clossiana angarensis and selenis in this book.

Here's more. Interestingly, errors in the definition of some Klossians seem to be quite common. For example, in Chikolovets 'book" The butterflies of Transbaikal Siberia " there are photos of the underparts of three specimens signed as Clossiana titania staudingeri. However, the photo clearly shows Clossiana selenis (Plate XXXI).

Photo of Clossiana angarensis samkoi is in the topic "Mother-of-pearl -- Heliconiinae; Argynnini --"

At the request of Penzyak, more on Melitaea (phoebe) punica Oberthur, 1876, which is still stubbornly ignored by some of our lepidopterologists.
In a nutshell: Status upgraded in Die Tagfalter der Turkey (S. 1030), where everything is thoroughly justified and illustrated.
In Russia, it is found in the Caucasus, Lower Don, Lower Volga region and Orenburg region.
Available in Armenia.
Everywhere takes off a couple of weeks earlier than M. phoebe. It is characterized by smaller sizes and less saturated colors. There are slight differences in the processes of the valva.

Below is a page from Gorbunov & Kosterin (2007) and butterflies from the border of Kazakhstan and the Orenburg region (south of Orsk)

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Real Melitaea (phoebe) phoebe from the same South Ural places.

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Melitaea (phoebe) phoebe, from the same borders of Orenburg region and Kazakhstan. The shape is typical of sandy places and looks like the Central Asian M. sibina

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Pavel, thank you very much! Yes, you need to review your Phoebe's fees on the weekend - even on external signs, there are good differences. And what are the comparative photos of their sexual devices? I think that it will be VERY interesting for many people!

And what is your opinion on the confusing situation with ssp? samcoi ?? Does this taxon live in the Urals??? Are there any fundamental differences between these taxa?

  
Can you say anything about the trivia – roberti uvarovi pair?

Thank you for your interest.
Melitaea (trivia) trivia fascelis & Melitaea (trivia) robertsi uvarovi
Even S. M. Zhuravlev a hundred years ago for OCD. Uralska cited two variations of trivia at the same time: catapelia and fascelis…
We studied populations from the Orenburg region, where the ranges of taxa fascelis and uvarovi overlap. It was found that fascelis and uvarovi butterflies from the same localities clearly differ not only in appearance, but also in summer time and biotopes, that is, they behave not as subspecies, but as different species.
M. trivia fascelis is a mesophile inhabiting meadow areas in the steppe zone, more often in river valleys and along northern rivers. slopes. Years of butterflies in Orenburg region in June and early July, in one generation. The caterpillars are related to Verbascum thapsus.
M. roberti uvarovi, a xerophile that occurs locally on dry rocky hilltops. Butterflies fly in May and July-early August, in two generations. Caterpillars live on Verbascum phoenicium, and in experiments they flatly refuse to eat Verbascum thapsus (V. O. Zurilina, Persian message). Adults of both generations are similar, much smaller than fascelis, with a reduced dark pattern and a white, without a yellowish tint, background of the underparts of the western cr.
Apparently, the situation is similar in the Lower Volga region, where both of these taxa also occur together. Here is what G. V. Kuznetsov (2009), aka GUK, writes independently of us in a recent article (thanks to Penzyak) on the daytime of the Volgograd region, apparently unfamiliar with our publications: M. trivia, "forest race": Flies in forest meadows from late May to late August, in two different directions: forage plant-Verbascum orientale. M. trivia, "steppe race": flies on open sand gullies in May and July, in two generations; forage plant-Verbascum phoeniceum; butterflies are smaller and lighter.
It is obvious that the Volgograd region is somewhat warmer than in the Southern Urals (more precisely, spring begins earlier), as a result, the departure of both taxa is earlier, and trivia has two generations, as in Southern Europe.
Unfortunately, these taxa do not have good differences in genitalia (maybe blown vesica will give them?.. Although I doubt it...). Uvarovi caterpillars are not brought to adult age, that is, they are not described or photographed. In general, this is a large field of activity for future researchers, since the non-specificity of these taxa is still poorly established.

Below are pages from Gorbunov & Kosterin (2007) and a few butterflies:
Melitaea (trivia) trivia






Melitaea (trivia) robertsi uvarovi



This post was edited by PG18-28.02.2010 07: 24

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Melitaea romanovi puella Higgins, 1941.
Quite a rare animal. I found a clearing with this checker only once.

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At the request of Penzyak, more on Melitaea (phoebe) punicaOberthur, 1876, which is still stubbornly ignored by some of our lepidopterologists.
In a nutshell: Status upgraded in Die Tagfalter der Turkey (S. 1030), where everything is thoroughly justified and illustrated.
In Russia, it is found in the Caucasus, Lower Don, Lower Volga region and Orenburg region.
Available in Armenia.
Everywhere takes off a couple of weeks earlier than M. phoebe. It is characterized by smaller sizes and less saturated colors. There are slight differences in the processes of the valva.

Below is a page from Gorbunov & Kosterin (2007) and butterflies from the border of Kazakhstan and the Orenburg region (south of Orsk)

Pavel, it's great that you finally gave us such accurate information about this species. Instance definitions in snapshots are correct. But I have to fix one persistent bug right away before it messes up the taxonomic situation too much. For the first time, the fact that two species of the phoebe group live in eastern Europe was noticed by Z. Varga in 1967. As is customary in the West, its publication was completely ignored for almost 30 years. Hesselbarth, Oorschot & Wagener (1995) noted that the same situation exists in Turkey as described by Varga, but they incorrectly assumed that the second taxon found in Turkey and the Balkans is conspecific with Melitaea phoebe punica Oberthur, 1876, a superficially similar taxon described from North Africa. The latter, however, is genetically almost identical to phoebe, while" punica " from Lebanon differs very strongly from phoebe, as Wahlberg & Zimmermann 2000 (Pattern of phylogenetic relationships among members of the tribe Melitaeini (Lepidoptera: Nymphalidae) inferred from mtDNA sequences) found. However, they made the same mistake as Hesselbarth, Oorschot & Wagener 1995, which I reported to Wahlberg many years ago. The error was fixed in their newest publication. A taxon found in Hungary, the Balkans, Turkey, the Caucasus, and the Near East, as well as in the steppes of the European part of the BSSR, is Melitaea telona Fruhstorfer, 1908, described from Jerusalem. Its species independence is also confirmed on the basis of a DNA study of my specimens from Bulgaria, which will be published in the near future. I also comment on this confusion on my page: http://www.butterfliesofbulgaria.com/meltelbg.html.

This post was edited by Zed - 10.03.2010 18: 59

To get a little more information about C. Selenis, check out the latest issue of Nature of the Simbirsk Volga Region, Issue # 10, 2009. Where was our article published with Robert Kichigin (Ulyanovsk) on the discovery of selenis in the Ulyanovsk region.

Can I use the link? I didn't find it myself...

Pavel, it's great that you finally gave us such accurate information about this species. Instance definitions in snapshots are correct. But I have to fix one persistent bug right away before it messes up the taxonomic situation too much. For the first time, the fact that two species of the phoebe group live in eastern Europe was noticed by Z. Warga. As is customary in the West, his discovery was completely ignored for almost 30 years. Hesselbarth, Oorschot & Wagener 1995 drew attention to the fact that in Turkey there is the same situation as described by Varga, but they incorrectly decided that the second taxon found in Turkey and the Balkans is conspecific with Melitaea phoebe punica Oberthur, 1876, a superficially similar taxon described from North Africa. The latter, however, is genetically almost identical to phoebe, while" punica " from Lebanon differs very strongly from phoebe, as Wahlberg & Zimmermann 2000 (Pattern of phylogenetic relationships among members of the tribe Melitaeini (Lepidoptera: Nymphalidae) inferred from mtDNA sequences) found. However, they made the same mistake as Hesselbarth, Oorschot & Wagener 1995, which I reported to Wahlberg many years ago. The error was fixed in their newest publication. A taxon found in Hungary, the Balkans, Turkey, the Caucasus, and the Near East, as well as in the steppes of the European part of the BSSR, is Melitaea telona Fruhstorfer, 1908, described from Jerusalem. Its species independence is also confirmed on the basis of a DNA study of my specimens from Bulgaria, which will be published in the near future. I also comment on this confusion on my page: http://www.butterfliesofbulgaria.com/meltelbg.html.

Navrnoye this work means:

Varga, Z. (1967): Taxonomic survey of the SE-European forms of Melitaea phoebe Schiff. (Lep.: Nymphalidae) with description of two new subspecies (in Hung. with English summary) – Acta biol. debr. V: 119-137.

Of the current articles on Melitaea, there are two more

Varga, Z. (2002): Carcharodus orientalis Reverdin, 1913 und Melitaea (punica) telona Fruhstorfer, 1908 (Lepidoptera: Hesperiidae, Nymphalidae) in der Fauna Rumaeniens, – Entomol. rom. 5 (2001): 45-49.

Varga, Z., Szabó, S. & Kozma, P. (2005): Melitaea ogygia kovacsi Varga, 1967 (Lepidoptera, Nymphalidae) in the Pannonian region: taxonomy, bionomy, conservation biology. - In: Kühn, E., Feldmann, R, Thomas, J. & Settele, J. (eds.): Studies on the Ecology and Conservation of butterflies in Europe. Vol. I. General concepts and case studies, Conference Proceedings UFZ Leipzig-Halle, December 2005, pp. 65-68.

Zed, do you happen to have these works?

This post was edited by barko - 10.03.2010 12: 01

Caterpillars live on Verbascum phoenicium, and in experiments they flatly refuse to eat Verbascum thapsus (V. O. Zurilina, Persian message).

It may be that the caterpillars are just used to the plant and do not want to switch to something else.
Also, individuals that develop even in the same or similar biotopes, but on different food plants, may have different periods of summer. In the Crimea, an example of this is observed in Tomares callimachus.
However, please do not take my words as an objection to the conspecific nature of the taxa under discussion.

Despite the fact that two phoebe species live in eastern Europe,.........A taxon found in Hungary, the Balkans, Turkey, the Caucasus, and the Middle East, as well as in the steppes of the European part of the BSSR - Melitaea telona Fruhstorfer, 1908

That is, M. telona, not M. phoebe, lives in the Crimea? Or both? I think I'm going to get completely confused right now

  
That is, M. telona, not M. phoebe, lives in the Crimea? Or both? I think I'm going to get really confused right now

Most likely, both types are found in Crimea, although this is only my guess about telona.In order not to get confused, it is necessary to catch them systematically in May-June (the main time of summer is telony-although in Bulgaria in the mountains it is also in July!). What Paul wrote about distinguishing features is true. As soon as you have more instances, you'll see the difference. On your site, I think, only phoebe, and tracks too. Here is another very important detail-phoebe has tracks like you have on the page, and telona has tracks like cinxia, black with a red head!!!!

Zdravko, at the expense of the article on C. selenis Ev. in the Ulyanovsk region-I wrote to you in a personal account. It turns out that Ulyanovsk residents sell their natural science yearbook and it is not available on the Internet! And what do M. telona caterpillars develop on ??? Your biotope?