Cerambycinae, Prioninae

My contribution:
A pair of Prionus coriarius Linnaeus, 1758 from the Moscow region.
Found: 16.08.2006. Here: M. O., Balashikha district, Zheleznodorozhny, "Pestovsky Park".
The beetle is certainly banal, but I didn't find any more prionins in the Moscow region.

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My contribution:
A pair of Prionus coriarius Linnaeus, 1758 from the Moscow region.
Found: 16.08.2006. Here: M. O., Balashikha district, Zheleznodorozhny, "Pestovsky Park".
The beetle is certainly banal, but I didn't find any more prionins in the Moscow region.

I also did not find it, but in theory "carpenter" should be in Podmoskau

But in theory, the "carpenter" should be in the Moscow region.

An idea is an idea. But I was too desperate to find a carpenter. Maybe in the south of the region?

carpenter-what do you mean, Ergates? What should he do in the Ministry of Defense?
Here is a Tragosome-there is. true chances to find....

carpenter-what do you mean, Ergates? What should he do in the Ministry of Defense?
Here is a Tragosome-there is. true chances to find....

The same as in Ivanovo Vladimir and Nizhny Novgorod

The same as in Ivanovo Vladimir and Nizhny Novgorod

That's exactly why we don't have E. faber. Rather, in Ukraine and Belarus.

Here is a Tragosome-there is. true chances to find....
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If there is no material from the MO, then there is no view. The story is similar to that of the fat man. Someone, somewhere, once saw or heard from someone- "you can't sew it to the point" and such "data" is more suitable for conversations on the bench or for entomologist's tales...

Look, Nikitsky saw a copy. So there is

Look, Nikitsky saw a copy. So there is

And where is this copy and the label off-label?

Look, Nikitsky saw a copy. So there is

Eh! I would like to find it myself (I've heard about its presence in the Moscow Region), but for some reason one tanner comes across (even in Moscow I found it repeatedly). "We live in hope" - as they say!

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[quote=Dmitrich,23.12.2009 12:41]

Not so categorical as that? Like: maybe there is,maybe not. But in the list, just in case, we will include...?

Not so categorical as that? Like: maybe there is,maybe not. But in the list, just in case, we will include...?

People in the Moscow Region found it and asked me back in the early 1990s. (I didn't find it myself). And in general, guys, let's tie it up until someone puts it here (from M. O.) .

Not so categorical as that? Like: maybe there is,maybe not. But in the list, just in case, we will include...?

Danilevsky is an unquestionable authority. There is no doubt about his list. And that there are no recent finds... You need to search. The beetle is very secretive in its way of life and is rare everywhere.

Can you provide a link to the document?

 danilevsky_laz_3.pdf

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 danilevsky_laz_3.pdf

size: 1.47 mb
number of downloads: 679

Thank you for the link.

Authorities are authorities, but you still need to find a view in the Ministry of Defense. It is always a little strange when, at certain points and every season searches by numerous collectors, all the finds of a very noticeable species in the region and reports about it belong to 1-2 specialists. As you know, beetles are not attracted to authorities.

Let's wait for new finds. Maybe someone already has it from the Ministry of Defense, but they are silent.

And I don't see any sense in conceiving an opupei like "Tolstun-2" ...

Thank you for the link.

Authorities are authorities, but you still need to find a view in the Ministry of Defense. It is always a little strange when, at certain points and every season searches by numerous collectors, all the finds of a very noticeable species in the region and reports about it belong to 1-2 specialists. As you know, beetles are not attracted to authorities.

Let's wait for new finds. Maybe someone already has it from the Ministry of Defense, but they are silent.

And I don't see any point in conceiving an opupea like "Tolstun-2" …

1) I fully agree that it is necessary to find.
2) I can not agree that the view is noticeable, especially very much. If you take into account the size-yes, a great beetle. But secretive to the extreme. According to the available data, adults do not feed, which means that the search for food plants is excluded, and traps are problematic. Lifestyle-twilight. Habitat conditions-overgrown pine forests, spruce forests in many places are worn out. It is VERY difficult to find it, so the previous finds were isolated.
3) And in the collections, I think, it probably is. But, of course, not in series.
4) There is no parallel with tolstun in this case.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 12/23/2009 14: 58

Wildly sorry, by "carpenter", of course I meant Tragosoma and not Ergaster... Something clicked. A Tragosoma collected during the day from the side of a sandy road (semi-dead) on ganitsa p. Sezukhanovskaya region and Frolishchi settlement of Nizhny Novgorod region. Not exactly common, but not uncommon either... The road passed through a mixed forest dominated by pine trees...

It was about size.

It flies well in the light, is fixed.

Species with twilight-night activity: personally collected in July for light, including in the pre-dawn hours (2.00-3.00 h.)

Prefers old pine forests with a large proportion of dead wood (spruce is secondary, "for lack of")

It doesn't avoid rural localities or even suburbs.

Comparing with a fat man, it is clear that I exaggerate.

Wildly sorry, by "carpenter", of course I meant Tragosoma and not Ergaster... Something clicked. A Tragosoma collected during the day from the side of a sandy road (semi-dead) on ganitsa p. Sezukhanovskaya region and Frolishchi settlement of Nizhny Novgorod region. Not exactly common, but not uncommon either... The road passed through a mixed forest dominated by pine trees...

About the concepts of "rare/frequent"... Get to Primorye at the right time and place, and even in the harvest year, and you will have problems where to put the coveted callipogons.

About the concepts of "rare/frequent"... Get to Primorye at the right time and place, and even in the harvest year, and you will have problems where to put the coveted callipogons.

There are a lot of things in the world... It is interesting to light up in the Ministry of Defense And preferably personally

This post was edited by Macroglossum - 12/23/2009 15: 25

It flies well in the light, is fixed.
Species with twilight-night activity: personally collected in July for light, including in the pre-dawn hours (2.00-3.00 h.)

I may be wrong, but it seems to me that this beetle flies well into the light where its population is relatively large, and there are certainly such areas. And if the distance to the light source (trap) from the habitat is significant? With generators, it is mainly butterflies that go to the forests to catch, and the places characteristic of Tragosoma depsarium habitat are not very attractive for them from the point of view of catchability.

It doesn't avoid rural localities or even suburbs.

Again, in the suburbs, it goes, most often, where it is relatively not rare in the forests. So where does he come from in the suburbs?

I may be wrong, but it seems to me that this beetle flies well into the light where its population is relatively large, and there are certainly such areas. And if the distance to the light source (trap) from the habitat is significant? With generators, it is mainly butterflies that go to the forests to catch, and the places characteristic of Tragosoma depsarium habitat are not very attractive for them from the point of view of catchability.

Again, in the suburbs, it goes, most often, where it is relatively not rare in the forests. So where does he come from in the suburbs?

Of course.

Of course.

..but not all of them have the same pronounced phototaxis, and there are quite a few species that are often found in the "wild" nature, which are completely absent near the anthropogenic source.

In the city center, parks tanner sometimes comes across en masse. I've seen it in Filevsky Park for at least several hundred years.

Guest, here you do not believe in the labels Danilevsky and Nikitsky, and you sit under the Table and say that the beetle is super ordinary. If so, why not log in, post photos of numerous exes, and generally, if so, sell or exchange a dozen others??

This post was edited by RippeR - 12/23/2009 17: 44

Guest, here you do not believe in the labels Danilevsky and Nikitsky, and you sit under the Table and say that the beetle is super ordinary. If so, why not log in, post photos of numerous exes, and generally, if so, sell or exchange a dozen others??

They've been exchanged for a long time, and I left a couple for myself. About the fact that the beetle is ordinary, I did not say, but this is probably for another guest

They've been exchanged for a long time, and I left a couple for myself. About the fact that the beetle is ordinary, I did not say, but this is probably for another guest

Guest, who are you? They would have registered long ago!

Guest, who are you? They would have registered long ago!

and I'm registered.

and I'm registered.

Yes???

then call the name and show photos of the couple and pliaz labels.

then call the name and show photos of the couple and pliaz labels.

Yes, at least one would!

Well.Let everything that was said here not quite on the topic,I will also express my opinion.
1. Collecting beetles (collect well) is a lot of work, so finding this or that beetle is not an accident, but painstaking work.It all depends on the importer.There are plenty of examples of this.Students go to practice by the thousands, but if you look at their mattresses, there will be very few interesting things there, and only a few really rare ones. You will say about luck, but the one who is straining and lucky, nothing will work out from the bay of floundering.Magicians (may they not be offended by me) collect beetles very poorly,because they cycle on their cans, and they don't have enough time to look around-after all, thousands of cans need to be buried, and even checked.
2. Danilevsky's list includes the species Stenostola dubia., so a few years ago (2001) I collected a large series of beetles(more than 20 pieces), more than I have not seen this beetle in 8 years !!!Do you think the species is extinct in the Vladimir region? Or was it just poorly searched?In my opinion, no one found Stenostol(y) in the neighboring regions,but this does not mean that there is no beetle.It's there, believe me,I held it in my hands.
3. Tragosoma depsarium-a byword,the beetle is definitely in the Ivanovo region, I know several copies.It is absolutely true that it is associated with over-mature pine forests, and it is accurately noted that the territory of Demidovo, Sezukh,Florishchi is exactly the place where the beetle lives.But in the mass it does not fly, I doubt about the top ten.But the thing, two for the period from 20.06 to 20.07 to catch really.But can you tell me a person who will spend a month in a pine forest with a generator for the sake of 2 beetles of the same species?If there is one, I will personally bring it to the place where Tragosoma lives,explain and show you how to catch it, where to look, and in a month I will come and pick it up!!! Surely in the Moscow region( I just don't know it very well) there are also such over-ripe pine forests, so there is also a beetle.In any case, the probability is very high!!!
Sorry for the confusion, but the idea seems clear and the topic is revealed.

1. Well, I wouldn't say anything about all the carabinieri. Probably just not many people have seen Dorcadion plow. Rocks turn steeper than a bulldozer, in any weather ) Yes, and in the field well notices everything.
2. And kortodery-to catch them is generally a priest.. Just a specific habitat. And kornumutila-there is everywhere, but figs to find.. Yes, and a lot more. Therefore, absence on the hands is not an indicator of absence in nature
3. With kornumutila in one series would put. The same thing lives almost everywhere, and you can find shish.. No one knows why. But no one wants to do it en masse.
Unless in Siberia, the tragosome is caught more often.

My dear fellow, could you elaborate? As a native Primorye resident who spends every season on vacation in Sikhote-Alin in search of the species you mentioned, it's amazing to read this. Perhaps this happened in the distant 70s and 80s, but so that in our days...

In the early 90's, the golden curtain was opened. Czechs told (and showed beetles) stumbled upon such a place in the Ussuri taiga ... dozens of beetles in a day! The point was partisanized... nivkakuyu! alas:(

By the way, Arsenyev also described the case of a mass invasion of a species on the expedition's night bivouac, but this was the only case in his memory, and moreover – very pointwise: the latter means that even in the absence of exceptionally favorable conditions over a large territory, some local point may, by coincidence (most likely, of course, weather, food and related factors). with waves of life of natural enemies) to give a good harvest, it is important only to be in the right place on the same night. That's all there is to it...

That's right, Vladimir Klavdievich settled down at the place where the Chinamen cut down the forest all over the place:)

Anywhere as easy as possible...

Wildly sorry, by "carpenter", of course I meant Tragosoma and not Ergaster... Something clicked. A Tragosoma collected during the day from the side of a sandy road (semi-dead) on ganitsa p. Sezukhanovskaya region and Frolishchi settlement of Nizhny Novgorod region. Not exactly common, but not uncommon either... The road passed through a mixed forest dominated by pine trees...

When did you collect tragasom?
Sincerely