The Red Book and insects

But if 1995 returns, then there will be a lot of it in the middle lane.

I'm sorry, but what happened in 1995? Bird plague of some sort?

How do we know? The fact is that that year was unusually early and unusually productive for lepidoptera, especially for rare and rare species. For example, usually not very numerous in the vicinity of the PTZ mottled bird ephialtes, pigeon daphnis and coridon, thick-headed tessellum took off earlier than usual and flew en masse. Belyanka ausonia was very common there. Crocea was rare, but still not isolated. Myrmidone and didyma there in different years are from rare to common, and in that year they flew in bulk. In my opinion, in the same year, a mass flight of arion pigeon moth (in a wet meadow) and quercus cocoonworm (on the road in the Keleriev pine forest) was recorded in the same region.

Since that year, by the way, there has been an increase in the number of nymphalid xanthomelas in MO (a small hint of an increase was in 1994, but it was 1995 that was decisive), the results of which are still noticeable: the butterfly today has become quite ordinary from rare. Most likely, the weather factors that initially affected them were the successful previous year, a favorable winter, and a very early and stormy spring, because of which natural enemies (including birds) did not have time to cause catastrophic damage to butterfly populations.

By the way, in Yaroslavl in 1995 there was a mass reproduction of Limentis populi. Right in the city, at the puddles of 7-10 butterflies gathered, even females.

In the Ministry of Defense in 1995, the same thing happened. In the city, the view was not frequent, but in the region it was in the mass. And females flock to puddles if it was very hot for several days in a row. Females of both Apatura species behave in the same way; however, in 1995 I recorded only ilia in the mass. On the well-known Dry land from the highway "Crimea" on the floodplain sat on the wet ground, probably hundreds.

In the same year, paphia and aquilonaris mother-of-pearl beads were sold in a perfect unprecedented mass near Taldom. But the latter were born very small in size, others did not reach the average icarus (not a bus).

... in terms of size, others did not reach the average icarus (not a bus).

the bus is written using "k"

In the Ministry of Defense in 1995, the same thing happened. In the city, the view was not frequent, but in the region it was in the mass. And females flock to puddles if it was very hot for several days in a row. Females of both Apatura species behave in the same way; however, in 1995 I recorded only ilia in the mass. On the well-known Dry land from the highway "Crimea" on the floodplain sat on the wet ground, probably hundreds.

In 1995, in the Yaroslavl region, in the Uglich district, Apatura ilia lay in a mass along the highway, hit by cars.

In the same year, paphia and aquilonaris mother-of-pearl beads were sold in a perfect unprecedented mass near Taldom. But the latter were born very small in size, others did not reach the average icarus (not a bus).

the bus is spelled with a "k"

Not important (in this case) how to spell, the main thing is how to pronounce

You seem to be accusing me of hackery, falsification of facts and showing "the most elementary lack of shame" in relation to the motherland... Yes, and they added fascism to me... You know, my det for the motherland shed blood on the poles of the Second World War, and Fritsev, because of his love for the motherland, pinned trehlineiki on the bayonet... Sometimes I also want to find that three-line map in the swamp...

Surprisingly, some naturalists simply have an allergic attitude to nature conservation, and in particular representatives of entomofauna in the CC. I wonder why, and most importantly why they do not like their NATIVE NATURE so much ??? ...
Is this some kind of fetish or FAVORITE"corn"?

Meanwhile, in the mid-and late 90s, the chantomelas bred and moved far to the south not in one single region of the Russian Federation, but throughout its entire range (see for example. Eversmannia). At the same time, a decrease in the number and further reduction/disappearance of the double species - polychloros-were recorded. And it was not the birds that were to blame for this (the concept of G. Zhirinovsky seems to live and ...) but the riders in the mass who struck the once banal appearance in the south and in the middle zone of the Russian Federation. Yes, and with all the desire, here of COURSE will not help any CC and their rabid opponents...

In the topic "swamp rarities", I popularly explained about some episodes of the theater of the absurd in terms of love for the motherland and what comes from where and where it goes...

Surprisingly, some naturalists simply have an allergic attitude to nature conservation, and in particular representatives of entomofauna in the CC. I wonder why, and most importantly why they do not like their NATIVE NATURE so much ??? ...
Is this some kind of fetish or FAVORITE"corn"?

At the very least, something else is no less surprising: well, why do some scientists like to throw empty, in fact, slogans, express in their eyes all the grief of the Russian people?! What does the "allergic attitude to nature conservation" have to do with it? Well, who in this topic even indirectly expressed this? It's not about the same thing! What is the main, practical goal of QC? Of course, it is necessary to determine the list of rare and endangered species that require protection, as well as a list of priority measures (concrete, real, feasible) aimed at their conservation. How long can you break into an open door?! It is clear to anyone even slightly familiar with the problem that it is almost impossible to protect a single species in relation to insects, we can only talk about the protection of the corresponding biotopes. To do this, it is enough to determine the presence of indicator species in a specific territory (proposed, for example, as a candidate for protected areas), while having such an important feature (including for their protection) as recognition, ease of identification for people who will apply in practice what they need. embedded in the CC. Please tell me, how are you going to purposefully protect precisely such gray and unrecognizable butterfly species listed, for example, in the Yaroslavl Region Agricultural Complex, as Acleris lacordariana (Duponchel, 1836), and Heterogenea asella (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775)?! What specific measures can you suggest for protection in the Yaroslavl region (in general!) again, the red-book striped moth Thyris fenestrella (Scopoli, 1763)?! The same CC also includes the scoop Xylomoia retinax Mikkola, 1998, which even a lepidopterist does not recognize on the fly, and besides, it is known from the region from two copies?! All this is not nature conservation, but utter profanity, empty chatter! So many copies have been broken about it, including in this discussion - and again on the same rake? Maybe that's enough? Business must be done, business! Instead of overloading the CC with a list of insect species, continuing the endless and meaningless argument about who is worthy of being a Red book and who is not. This is truly both a fetish and a PET peeve! I'm sorry for the abruptness - but, as they say, I can't be silent!

This post was edited by Dmitrich-08.02.2010 13: 07

Surprisingly, some naturalists simply have an allergic attitude to nature conservation, and in particular representatives of entomofauna in the CC. I wonder why, and most importantly why they do not like their NATIVE NATURE so much ??? ...
Is this some kind of fetish or FAVORITE"corn"?

Meanwhile, in the mid-and late 90s, the chantomelas bred and moved far to the south not in one single region of the Russian Federation, but throughout its entire range (see for example. Eversmannia). At the same time, a decrease in the number and further reduction/disappearance of the double species - polychloros-were recorded. And it was not the birds that were to blame for this (the concept of G. Zhirinovsky seems to live and ...) but the riders in the mass who struck the once banal appearance in the south and in the middle zone of the Russian Federation. Yes, and with all the desire, here of COURSE will not help any CC and their rabid opponents...

In the topic "swamp rarities", I popularly explained about some episodes of the theater of the absurd in terms of love for the motherland and what comes from where and where it goes...

Please provide a literature source that indicates the suppression of the number of polychloros (also indicate the type(s) of horsemen, please), which led to the spread and increase in the number of xanthomelas.
About the love of the Motherland-unsubscribed in Swamp rarities.

Surprisingly, some naturalists simply have an allergic attitude to nature conservation, and in particular representatives of entomofauna in the CC. I wonder why, and most importantly why they do not like their NATIVE NATURE so much ???...

Something I have big doubts that the officials in charge of publishing all sorts of" Red Books as a gift to the President " are very fond of their native nature.

On the bill, I quote " security ... If we want to preserve insects, then their protection should be not only in the Red Books, but also on the ground. And not the insects themselves, but their habitats. Protecting insects directly is absurd, and it has been said more than once.
While officials "love" and "protect" insects in the Red Books, the bulldozer equates biotopes. God forbid from such "love" and such "protection".

This post was edited by okoem-08.02.2010 13: 13

Protecting insects directly is absurd, and it has been said more than once.
While officials "love" and "protect" insects in the Red Books, the bulldozer equates biotopes. God forbid from such "love" and such "protection".

Golden words! I would not want to offend anyone, but at a time when officials, to amuse their vanity, exchange Red Books as a gift, some "natural scientists", following the example of Pilate, wash their hands of the Red Book list: they made a red book list, they proposed to ban catching butterfly beetles, and what else do you want from us?

This post was edited by Dmitrich-08.02.2010 13: 26

You seem to be accusing me of hackery, falsification of facts and showing "the most elementary lack of shame" in relation to the motherland... Yes, and they added fascism to me... You know, my det for the motherland shed blood on the poles of the Second World War, and Fritsev, because of his love for the motherland, pinned trehlineiki on the bayonet... Sometimes I also want to find that three-line map in the swamp...

No one is accusing you of anything. Fascism was out of the question. Here, Oleg Alexandrovich, you see all opponents as enemies or you can't imagine the definition of the term Fascism. One of my great-grandfathers reached Berlin as a major and was wounded, the second one died on Finskaya Street in ' 39. I remember, love and appreciate it. A three-line map found in a swamp is not an option. It is better to look for eggs on blueberries paleno-if you can bring it out, you can put it on the forum. And not only.
Love for the Motherland is not "hooray-patriotism". Love for the Motherland begins first of all with a self-critical and objective attitude towards oneself, love for the family, relatives and friends, careful attitude to what is responsible for, including the native nature.
Let's ask the moderator to open another "flood cabinet", where we will discuss issues of "patriotism and pseudo-patriotism", as well as issues of the history of weapons of the countries participating in World War II, in particular small arms (Mosinka, PPSh, MP-40, MG-42 - to your taste)

Now on the topic.
In this topic, attention has not yet been paid to the scoops that live in swamps and simply prefer to settle on them. This would be an interesting addition to the theme. In particular, you can recall the microgamma, caught at the end of June among the hummocks overgrown with cranberries. The butterflies were active in the morning and flew low, right among the grass.

The gullible reader, having become familiar with the faunal primitivism that is shown there in relation to the bulavous, may think that we are not talking about the entire Yaroslavl region, but about some super-urbanized suburb of Moscow. If you believe the CC, there's almost no shit anywhere.
For some reason, we have reached the Batkovsky swamp from Moscow, along which our Sergiev Posad district borders with the Pereslavsky district of the Yaroslavl region, and from Yaroslavl, judging by the texts of the CC on Bulavousy, there is no interest in this swamp at all...

Well, all the Yaroslavl guys are also not worth it under one comb . And regarding the articles on butterflies in the Yaroslavl region CC, you are completely right, but let's leave this to the author's conscience? By the way, if you have the text of this CC (and, judging by your post, there certainly is), you should have paid attention to a characteristic detail: for almost all butterfly species included in it, only 2-3 points of known sites of finds are indicated, and these points are the same. Doesn't mean anything? And we are all monitoring, faunal research...

1. Excuse me, but why exactly should I argue for "swamp" species in the CC of the Yaroslavl region??? All questions to Maxim Klepikov author and compiler... I do not know why entomologists in the Yaroslavl region do not cooperate with each other.

2. BIOTOPES are of course a necessary thing, but the fact is that for example in the middle zone there are already quite a few places (sorry biotopes) where it would seem that the swamp is bigger and the same cranberry is enough, BUT there are NO "Swamp" species. Of course, we are obliged to protect this swamp - this is already a botanical rifugium and they will fight for it to the last nerd. And naooborot smart (from the point of view of botanists) salt marsh-a of the insect fauna (interesting) After a long search, I found only one hole... And how many copies were broken about the dangers of grazing cattle in steppe biotopes-now all the Penza cattle were bought in Moscow McDonalds and such grasses grew in the steppe areas that jerboa and ground squirrels began to disappear. And what "catacombs" in this grass were dug by marmots-the Pampas are resting.

3. One thing is clear that INSECTS should be PROTECTED and not only from officials... The same mnemosyne was repeatedly tried in Europe to reintroduce it into preserved biotopes - BUT it could not live there?!! ...

In the Yaroslavl region, there are many swamps that are absolutely not affected by peat extraction and logging, believe me, I have examined them, not all of them, of course, but many. Most of these swamp areas are protected areas, and I must say thank you to the botanists, who made a fuss in Soviet times... There are cranberries on almost any of them. There are also enough places for blueberries to grow. What are the prerequisites for marsh species to disappear? Yes, there are none, just to know something you need to go and explore the biotopes. But with this, our author and compiler have big problems... Hence the presence of species in almost 4 points on the territory of the region. And the rest of the area is somehow overboard... This explains the disastrous situation with the species - at least on paper...

One thing is clear that INSECTS should be PROTECTED and not only from officials...

From whom and how?

And also, if possible, I would like to hear the answer to the question about riders (post 334). Thanks!

Frankly speaking, I'm somewhat fed up with proving that "white is white - and black is black". But you can read for example - Fridolina (1935), Grebennikov "My World" (1990) and others... As the saying goes, " an old dog can't be taught new tricks."..

Khantomelas 'settlement - the " wave of life"(as Chetverikov used to say) - has been widely reported in various sources (for example, look at the articles in Eversmania - this" wave " has reached Kazakhstan), among the Highways in the Tula region (his annual additions/changes on butterflies) , etc. (unfortunately, I did not collect these messages - BUT there were quite a few of them!) including in local collections for sure!
Unfortunately, I couldn't collect riders for polychrome (who will determine them here? I have makhaonovsky and Poliksenovsky riders lying "without movement" - I can not "match" them for the definition. As I am told, the group is complex/large and there are few/no specialists!? Yes, bore definitely told me about the mass death of polychloros in the Rostov region from riders that he observed himself...

This post was edited by Penzyak-08.02.2010 16: 24

Surprisingly, some naturalists simply have an allergic attitude to nature conservation, and in particular representatives of entomofauna in the CC.

I would like to hear from you examples of mechanisms for increasing the number of rare insects in your opinion after they are included in the Red Book list.

In the Yaroslavl region, there are many swamps that are absolutely not affected by peat extraction and logging, believe me, I have examined them, not all of them, of course, but many. Most of these swamp areas are protected areas, and I must say thank you to the botanists, who made a fuss in Soviet times... There are cranberries on almost any of them. There are also enough places for blueberries to grow. What are the prerequisites for marsh species to disappear? Yes, there are none, just to know something you need to go and explore the biotopes. But with this, our author and compiler have big problems... Hence the presence of species in almost 4 points on the territory of the region. And the rest of the area is somehow overboard... This explains the disastrous situation with the species - at least on paper...

I agree.
First, the presence of a forage plant is a mandatory factor, but it does not guarantee the presence of the desired species.
Second, you need to know the locations. Or rather, the place and time. Know where to look, under what snags, on what trees, on what flowers, at what time of day, finally. There are a lot of factors!

First, the presence of a forage plant is a mandatory factor, but it does not guarantee the presence of the desired species.
Second, you need to know the locations. Or rather, the place and time. Know where to look, under what snags, on what trees, on what flowers, at what time of day, finally. There are a lot of factors!

Clearly the case. Only I'm not a lepidopterist. I'm a bugger. I watch butterflies along the way. I've been climbing the swamps for beetles in recent years. And after that, some previously rare beetle species became much more common in the region...

Oleg, no matter how much polixena is protected in the Penza region, but the fact remains that its Barkov population was practically destroyed not by collectors? A GRADER! And next to sessenki pretty planted There because the territory is ennobled. There, even if you guard every butterfly with a gun, the population is still doomed. And the red book will not help, how many of them have already been written, and rare species have both reduced their numbers and are reducing them. What other arguments are needed?

So that's why CC is needed, that before the territory is going to be "ennobled", an expert examination should be carried out, and according to the results of the examination, it is impossible to ennoble it, since there are already species from the CC and this territory is key for their conservation...

I think that's why the foresters don't read them. This is a direct threat to their robot. And poor-quality QC even more contribute to the disregard for them attitude.

Yes, what examinations, who conducted them ever. Houses in disrepair zdayut under housing and nothing! Everything is bought and sold, unfortunately.

And another thing: books of whatever color they are written on paper, and even small children know what needs to be done to produce it... try to count the circulations of all red books in all our regions by the number of trees-excellent nature protection

I think that's why the foresters don't read them. This is a direct threat to their robot. And poor-quality QC even more contribute to the disregard for them attitude.

Don't, don't... Honest people remained everywhere, but foresters are subordinate workers...

And another thing: books of whatever color they are written on paper, and even small children know what needs to be done to produce it... try to count the circulation of all red books in all our regions by the number of trees - excellent nature protection

Yes, give up the Forest - a renewable resource (of course, you need to follow some rules). There are many much more useless (and even harmful) publications.

So that's why CC is needed, that before the territory is going to be "ennobled", an expert examination should be carried out, and according to the results of the examination, it is impossible to ennoble it, since there are already species from the CC and this territory is key for their conservation...

"Rarities" from the CC of Ukraine and half of the Crimea "processed" by tractors-terrasers do not fit in with your statement in any way!..

Frankly speaking, I'm somewhat fed up with proving that "white is white - and black is black". But you can read for example - Fridolina (1935), Grebennikov "My World" (1990) and others... As the saying goes, " an old dog can't be taught new tricks."..

And as we are fed up, there are no words. After all, many times questions are raised on the basis of simply ignoring the answers formulated on the forum more than once. And new tricks applied to the issue under discussion-Fridolin (1935) and Grebennikov (1990), do I understand correctly? If so, then it is better to "read for example" the 2nd Epistle of the Apostle Peter (2: 22, if I am not mistaken) about such "novelty" (and just in relation to "old dogs")...

Khantomelas 'settlement - the " wave of life"(as Chetverikov used to say) - has been widely reported in various sources (for example, look at the articles in Eversmania - this" wave " has reached Kazakhstan), among the Highways in the Tula region (his annual additions/changes on butterflies) , etc. (unfortunately, I did not collect these messages - BUT there were quite a few of them!) including in local collections for sure!
Unfortunately, I couldn't collect riders for polychrome (who will determine them here? I have makhaonovsky and Poliksenovsky riders lying "without movement" - I can not "match" them for the definition. As I am told, the group is complex/large and there are few/no specialists!? Yes, bore definitely told me about the mass death of polychloros in the Rostov region from riders that he observed himself...

Yes, in the middle zone, we all probably saw this with our own eyes and even mentioned it more than once on the forum; and we also attributed everything primarily to the skew in the incidence of these two types of riders (which, however, could have been caused by weather factors). It is gratifying that both the authoritative sources to which you refer and yourself, moving from the topic of love for the motherland to the analysis of specific natural phenomena, do not use a single word to find the reasons for population dynamics in the presence or absence of a particular species mentioned in the CC.
I personally agree with those who suggest using CC exclusively to fight for the conservation of biotopes, but, unfortunately, this pearl grain is littered in almost all current CC with unsubstantiated lists of protected species, alarmist and ignorant (sometimes sucked out of your finger) assessments of the state of species in the territory. One of the main prerequisites for this state of affairs is the "perspective" - for not very picky fans of the motherland-of almost any kind for an extra page of writing in an authoritative publication...

I am a German, descendant of a noble family, I am "Fritz".

Don't, don't... Honest people remained everywhere, but foresters are subordinate workers...

This was my post.
I was not referring to specific foresters-workers. A forestry department. And plowing a plot with rare plants is a common thing for them. There is no Red book plant, there are no problems with its protection. There was virgin grass, plowed-a field of quarantine weeds, which can be planted with pine, which, in 2-3 years, will dry up. on her revenge, you can plant chestnuts. which also do not have enough moisture. And forestry keeps planting and planting. But the feather grass will not be restored for sure.

This post was edited by Djon-09.02.2010 00: 02

Djon, they forgot about the acacia tree... Under which nothing grows and no one lives.
And in the light of recent decisions on increasing forest areas,
there will be nothing left of steppe areas.

(Pleco @ 08.02.2010 19:44)
So that's why CC is needed, that before the territory
is going to be "ennobled", an expert examination should be carried out,
but according to the results of the examination, it is impossible to ennoble it, since
there are already species from the CC and this territory is key for their
conservation...

"Rarities" from the CC of Ukraine and half of the Crimea "processed" by tractors-terrasers do not fit in with your statement in any way!..

I don't see any ground for disagreement. There is an ideal and there is a reality, there are goals and there are results; yes, they differ, and in the environmental aspect-terrible today. But, as the director of Gipromez used to say about 30 years ago about labor discipline, "we are not a regime enterprise, but we should strive for this." CC is needed as an extra help in the fight against officials and innocent thieves for the preservation of flora and fauna. The fact that this is more often not possible than it turns out, does not negate the fact that we should strive for the ideal. And we also found out here a long time ago. By the way, those cases when it doesn't work out are often associated with the fact that there is nothing to be obtained, that none of those who should have been in their position really wanted to, and didn't try to achieve, swear, go to instances, etc. with the CC under their arm, and everyone waited until the CC itself will fly in and hit the thief on the head, awakening his conscience and nature-respecting mentality at once. And then, when nothing came out of inaction, they come to the conclusion that CC is unnecessary for the protection of biotopes. Yes, without a person and the tank does not shoot, but this does not mean that it is useless in principle.

And plowing a plot with rare plants is a common thing for them. There is no Red book plant, there are no problems with its protection. There was virgin grass, plowed-a field of quarantine weeds, which can be planted with pine, which, in 2-3 years, will dry up.

I can illustrate. Sometimes terraced, and sometimes total plowing.

Yes, what examinations, who conducted them ever. Houses in disrepair zdayut under housing and nothing! Everything is bought and sold, unfortunately.

In the end, there is a public examination, if you don't like the official one, write to the newspapers, raise public environmental organizations...

This post was edited by Pleco-09.02.2010 00: 59

I can illustrate. Sometimes terraced, and sometimes total plowing.

Vladimir, where is it? In the Tepe Oba area?

All this was, and is called-an active life position. I'm not saying it doesn't make sense. there are times when a shout from the Ministry and the initiative of public organizations coincide and new nature protection areas are created. It happens when, numerous justifications for the PZF. as the abyss is absorbed by the bureaucratic apparatus. or even worse, it is rented out to "foresters" who are allowed to plow the proposed protected areas. But you are right, the CC, whatever it is (but I want it better), remains the best weapon of attack on officials.

We tried to take into account the moment of struggle of foresters with the steppe in the resolution for the last conference on nature reserves

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On the topic of steppe and forest in the steppe zone of Ukraine, a recent article. (I warn
you that if you are interested in Ukrainian, you can translate it with the help of translators
. Otherwise, just don't watch it.)
http://life.pravda.com.ua/columns/4b70028384e97/

I couldn't resist. I will add a quote
: "In general, up to 4% of the steppe zone and up to 8% of the Crimean Peninsula should be wooded! "

This post was edited by Egorus-09.02.2010 01: 55