The Red Book and insects

my definition is sufficient.

What prevents you from putting skeptics to shame with a single photo?

What prevents you from putting skeptics to shame with a single photo?

no time to remove the drawer from the cabinet, set up the light, install the camera, take pictures, process the image and fill it somewhere. lack of desire-also. skeptics let the area on our train with my-maybe, too, what thread interesting will find.

no time to remove the drawer from the cabinet, set up the light, install the camera, take pictures, process the image and fill it somewhere. lack of desire-also. skeptics let them travel around the region on our own with my - maybe they will also find something interesting.

A picture of the underwear on the phone and filling it here would also suit me.
Skepticism doesn't correlate with mileage.

And the lack of desire to prove their case (with the obvious simplicity of this action) - explains a lot.

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 13.04.2011 22: 48

A picture of the underwear on the phone and filling it about here would also suit me.
Skepticism doesn't correlate with mileage.

And the lack of desire to prove their case (with the obvious simplicity of this action) - explains a lot.

Vlad, I don't take pictures with my phone. not able. and I'm not going to study . I don't have to prove anything to you - there is a specific job, there is material. if you want to check my definition, come and see it. my time is precious, and above all to myself, and I have no desire to waste it on a stupid pipiskomery. you don't trust my level of knowledge of Central European diaries - your right. I have no desire to communicate further on this topic.

   Vlad, I don't take pictures with my phone. not able. and I'm not going to study . I don't have to prove anything to you - there is a specific job, there is material. if you want to check my definition, come and see it. my time is precious, and above all to myself, and I have no desire to waste it on a stupid pipiskomery. you don't trust my level of knowledge of Central European diaries - your right. I have no desire to communicate further on this topic.

Stas! The discovery of this species in the Nizhny Novgorod region is a European sensation. And published casually dick knows where. Which seems to hint.

I can come. Do you have a place to stay tonight?"

The discovery of this species in the Nizhny Novgorod region is a European sensation. And published casually dick knows where. Which seems to hint.

Here was previously published:

Korb S. K. 2006. Diurnal butterflies (Lepidoptera: Rhopalocera) Nizhny Novgorod region / / Byull. MOIP. Otd. biol. T. 111, vol. 4. p. 8-14.

Maybe somewhere else earlier, Stanislav knows better.

Stas! The discovery of this species in the Nizhny Novgorod region is a European sensation. And published casually dick knows where. Which seems to hint.

I can come. Do you have a place to stay tonight?"

there are biotopes and forage plants , but there is also a butterfly. The expansion of the steppe people to the north is now very active. I believe that climate aridization is in full swing - another cold snap will soon begin .

We'll find a place to stay overnight. Plan for May 13-15 - we were just going to go to nature with a team of entomologists from Nizhny Novgorod.

you don't trust my level of knowledge of Central European diaries - your right.

http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...dpost&p=1093436

Personally, I strongly doubt that T. Korb would contradict his usual position in the publication. Therefore, I personally need his text not for testing purposes, but for educational purposes.

I agree with the opinion ).

I read Stanislav's article and still believe that he was wrong in his emotions about the "Red Books" and insects. I myself wrote articles in the CC of Ukraine and I believe that this is not an artel "In Vain Work", but the right thing, if you approach it responsibly, and not as they usually write, unfortunately.

And, as the author of articles in the CCU, Stanislav's phrase:

"The Red Books and insects are heresy!"You have already picked up," guardians " of insects, do not indulge in the most. An army of parasites, by God. What will you do to Uncle Vasya with a plow if he plows a meadow where a population of a rare local species lived? Nothing at all. But if, God forbid, the collector collects a dozen insects there - anathema to him and the state house"

I accepted it on my own account

Therefore, I was perplexed as to how one could be a principled opponent of the CC and practically participate in its exit. I write it off on the opponent's emotions.

And I still believe that articles on insects in the CC should be written by specialists in groups, otherwise they will still be written by quick govnomalchiki and govnodevochki. This has already been discussed in the topic, for example, Roman Yakovlev.

Don't throw the baby out with water. Negative examples about how CC is used in real life, and how it is profited from, I can give myself, but it is impossible to draw a false logical conclusion from this that CC is heresy. And the Criminal Code is used against citizens who do not deserve it, but this is not a reason to cancel it.

Yes, also-just in case, since it was in the topic-I was not paid or promised any money for the Red Book of Ukraine. We handed over the author's copy.

"All these' rare insect species ' are from the evil one. There are local ones. There are no rare ones - the survival strategy of insect species does not provide for "rarity""

Why write this, Stas, if in your article you still repeatedly mention the word "rare". And so-yes, I understand, you need to initially decide on the terms. I completely agree with the wording of the definition of rarity in your article.

This post was edited by Pirx - 14.04.2011 11: 43

And they didn't even give me the copyright

2 Pirx

lots of letters. but I overcame it. let me briefly explain my position.
rare is the most current term. the most effective one. I write everywhere-mikrozakaznik, mikrozapovednik. this is what the note is written for. there are no rare insect species - this is biology, you should know it if you consider yourself an expert. The strategy for preserving the species of insects is to ensure that while the others are being devoured, two of them have time to reproduce.
sorry for the harsh tone.

The message was edited rhopalocera.com - 14.04.2011 12: 24

Stas! The discovery of this species in the Nizhny Novgorod region is a European sensation.

http://www.nagypal.net/norge/dorylas.htm

  http://www.nagypal.net/norge/dorylas.htm

And what does Norway have to do with it?

Dorylas is actually a West Palaearctic species. If it is true that it lives in the Nizhny Novgorod region , it will turn out to be an extreme north-eastern reliably known habitat, which is also quite detached from the main range (if the concept of "main range"is generally applicable for this very local species).

And what does Norway have to do with it?

Dorylas is actually a West Palaearctic species. If it is true that it lives in the Nizhny Novgorod region , it will turn out to be an extreme north-eastern reliably known habitat, which is also quite detached from the main range (if the concept of "main range"is generally applicable for this very local species).

"Worldwide distribution: Pyrenees, C, S and E Europe to Ural, Caucasus,
Transcaucasia, Turkey. "

"Worldwide distribution: Pyrenees, C, S and E Europe to Ural, Caucasus,
Transcaucasia, Turkey. "

"E Europe" does not mean that the species is ubiquitous here. As far as I know, on the territory of the BSSR it lives very locally in the Baltic States, zap. Belarus, zap. Ukraine. And in the Caucasus. All finds from central Russia and the Urals are questionable or old.

2 Pirx
many letters. but I overcame it...
sorry for the harsh tone.

never mind, Stanislav)

And they didn't even give me an author's license

Grish, go with your passport to the Institute of Higher Education, you should be given a copy as the author. I handed over a power of attorney with the service - they just brought it to me, no problems.

Grigory!!! Break! If it returns from an expedition, we'll check it out. Especially since
kotbegemot is coming (Ha!!!). insh alla

there are no rare insect species - this is biology, you should know it if you consider yourself an expert. strategy for preserving the species of insects - in quantity, so that while the others are being devoured, two have time to reproduce

Well, rarity is a subjective concept, if you don't relate it to anything. Stanislav, I'm not an expert on the number of insects, but aren't there just rare insects? Which have always been relatively rare (i.e., none of the specialists found them very often), will never become common, and, of course, do not need any of our "protection"? As for the strategy of preserving the species in insects , it seems to me that everything is not so categorical, at least in some species. In order not to be unfounded-the Holarctic genus of sirphids Callicera-everywhere they are observed in single individuals, for two hundred years now.

Pictures:

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Grigory!!! Break! If it returns from an expedition, we'll check it out. Especially since
kotbegemot is coming (Ha!!!). insh alla

Dmitry, I'm not talking about this pigeon, I'm talking about a rarity, but since this is the case, we'll wait. And so yes, Allāhu Akbar)

there are biotopes and forage plants , but there is also a butterfly. The expansion of the steppe people to the north is now very active. I believe that climate aridization is in full swing - another cold snap will soon begin .

We'll find a place to stay overnight. Plan for May 13-15 - we were just going to go to nature with a team of entomologists from Nizhny Novgorod.

Pancake. I didn't have time and I will be busy in the Ministry of Defense in the near future.

However, I didn't want to come here to fish - I haven't caught all the fish yet...
In the off-season, you need to cross paths...

As for P. dorylas-in the collection of the Department of Entomology of the MSU Biofactory Department there is a male with the label "Moskovskaya guberniya", the beginning of the XX century.

Pancake. I didn't have time and I will be busy in the Ministry of Defense in the near future.

However, I didn't want to come here to fish - I haven't caught all the fish yet...
In the off-season, you need to cross paths...

can try. Although I can't promise that I'll be home in the" dead " season

I don't know if it's a topic? But then I was digging up information about Catocala sponsa and came across an interesting thing in the CC MO: Noctuidae, Catocalinae are already in a separate section Family of Erebids-Erebidae . Is this really the case? Where should I put them? I don't understand it: I always knew it like a shovel .

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 31.07.2011 12: 13

I don't know if it's a topic? But then I was digging up information about Catocala sponsa and came across an interesting thing in the CC MO: Noctuidae, Catocalinae are already in a separate section Family of Erebids-Erebidae . Is this really the case? Where should I put them? I don't understand it: I always knew it like a shovel .

They were separated long ago. True, then they were merged again, but now they are separated again

They were separated long ago. True, then they were combined again, but now they have separated again

Ugh, mess..... Nothing more to say!

Push on, guys, the grandchildren will figure it out... There will be no more butterflies, but there will be sequencers in every apartment. We need to do something that is more urgent...

They were separated long ago. True, then they were combined again, but now they have separated again

In 2005, Fiebiger and Lafontaine published A review of the higher classification of the Noctuidea (Lep.) with special reference to the Holarctic fauna, which gave the Erebids the status of a family. The work received a deaf rejection from well-known scoopers. Fiebiger soon returned to his former opinion, abandoning Erebid. I don't know if La Fontaine's opinion changed.
So, the one who separated himself refused to do it. Therefore, the 13th volume of NE, which is expected to be published this year, will include a systematic list of European scoops, which lists Erebina as a subfamily.

2vasiliy-feoktistov
this is not a mess, but a process

Oh, damn it!: sample file
Flipping through these books, I'm amazed. Who makes them up anyway? After all, it does not belong in any such creation, in my opinion........ Still would thistle brought there Circus and only.
UPD: A Burdock there is: not missed, however.....

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 03.10.2011 19: 30

Admiral and in the KK Rep. Tatarstan, too. Like the swallowtail, galatea and satyr dryad, which fly in clouds 5 kilometers from Kazan.

Admiral and in the KK Rep. Tatarstan, too. Like the swallowtail, galatea and satyr dryad, which fly in clouds 5 kilometers from Kazan.

So the whole point is that they are both migrants: Admiral and burdock. What the hell are they supposed to do in K. K.? Because of the bright wings or something? Absurd.

Admiral and in the KK Rep. Tatarstan, too. Like the swallowtail, galatea and satyr dryad, which fly in clouds 5 kilometers from Kazan.

Hydrophilus piceus (Linnaeus, 1758) has also been found in the KK of Tatarstan, although it is highly doubtful that it is found in your country. I will be glad to see at least some confirmation of this, photo for example.

Oh, damn it!: sample file    
Flipping through these books, I'm amazed. Who makes them up anyway? After all, it does not belong in any such creation, in my opinion........ Still would thistle brought there Circus and only.
UPD: A Burdock there is: not missed, however.....

There's also a mourning box with a hornet... Yes, and hawkmoth pleases: oleander, death's head, pine...
And of the beetles ,a" rare " half-wing. This year I extracted a beetle from the dry roadside of an ash tree in the center of Yaroslavl...

Hydrophilus piceus (Linnaeus, 1758) has also been found in the KK of Tatarstan, although it is highly doubtful that it is found in your country. I will be glad to see at least some confirmation of this, for example, a photo.

And why not? I don't personally specialize in beetles, so I don't know about his findings. But as you know, the range of Hydrophilus piceus is confined to forest-steppe and steppe zones. There is a forest-steppe zone in Tatarstan.

And why not? I don't personally specialize in beetles, so I don't know about his findings. But as you know, the range of Hydrophilus piceus is confined to forest-steppe and steppe zones. There is a forest-steppe zone in Tatarstan.

There is a big difference between "why not" and "here, look at this instance"

Yes, to be honest, I do not understand the principle at all when the finds of insect species are timed to the administrative borders of the subjects of Russia. I have never understood why these red dots of finds are needed on the map of the Red Book insect's range, which are extremely uninformative and incomplete.

And why not? I don't personally specialize in beetles, so I don't know about his findings. But as you know, the range of Hydrophilus piceus is confined to forest-steppe and steppe zones. There is a forest-steppe zone in Tatarstan.

In general, if a taxon is not identified in any territory but is likely, it can not be included in the lists of protected areas! It turns out that there is no object of protection, and hypotheses can expand redlistings to an incredible size! There will be no point in such protection. This is currently one of the main problems of the provincial CC. Where usually in the expansion of the lists of species, individual persons realize their egos at the parochial level.

Especially all of the above is relevant for invertebrates, where even one or several finds within the territory are more likely a signal for further monitoring, rather than automatic inclusion in the CC.

Especially all of the above is relevant for invertebrates, where even one or several finds within the territory are more likely a signal for further monitoring, rather than automatic inclusion in the CC.

I agree. But more complete monitoring is probably not carried out due to lack of funding. You can't get very far with naked enthusiasm.