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15.11.2009 23:47, Dmitrii Musolin

  

I "bite my elbows", one important and good article was published in Russian in the collection. no one knows it, and they won't read it in Russian. frown.gif


-- think about it, and in some revised form (or as part of the review) include it in some English. text... With links to the original...

16.11.2009 3:59, Yakovlev

You just need to understand the difference between those who work in the RAS system and others. For RAS, only articles from the HAC list and impact factors are included in the report, all the rest are just tinsel in whatever magazines it is and no matter what grandiose things you publish there. It turns out that one short message, for example, in the Bulletin of the Krasnoyarsk (Buryat, etc., etc.) University at the end of the year pulls more than 10 (15-20, etc., etc.) articles in very good (but not Vakov) including foreign (but not impact) journals. That's the arithmetic...

The main desire of any specialist should be - the demand for his publications and to be read in the world. It is a pity that many of us now publish only for the sake of reports. In the Russian Academy of Sciences, people are now put in a stupid position on the one hand, forcing them to count their points.On the other hand, they are well fed with all sorts of PRND. In universities, everything is fine - they pay a penny, but also publish wherever you want. smile.gif I often envy specialists of the RAS system. Sincerely. You do what you love and get paid for it. No offense meant, but it's true.
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16.11.2009 8:54, Aleksey Adamov

A small correction - for a real researcher (I don't like the word "scientist"), it is important that his work is read and known. From this point of view, publication in an English-language journal, even if not in a VAKOV/impact journal, is an order of magnitude more important than publication in a VAKOV journal, which no one in the world knows and will never know.

I "bite my elbows", one important and good article was published in Russian in the collection. no one knows it, and they won't read it in Russian. frown.gif


How can it not be read?! If a copy of the work is available (for example, hanging on the Internet), then why won't it be read?
In other words, foreign colleagues will ignore any achievement (in the flesh, affecting the nomenclature), if it is published in Russian?!

You can write in any other European language, but not in Russian?

For example, I believe that the choice of language depends largely on the content of the work, i.e. on the specifics of its results.
If we talk about works that affect the nomenclature, then if a new taxon is described, for example, from Africa or any other continent (not from Russia), I would (if I happened to) publish in English/German/French. And if the taxon is described from Russia, then in Russian, regardless of its rank.
Environmental works can also be divided, so to speak, into "our" and "general"ones. "Nashi" - this is when the result concerns some features inherent in the territory of Russia or the Russian culture of management, for example. Type: "Spatial and temporal structure of the population of ground beetles of winter wheat agrobiocenoses in the South of Russia".
"General" works are works that address a general ecological concept (for example, works on ecomorphology), or works that are "geographically" different or broader.

And if we talk about "readability", then it depends on the language in the second (if not in the third, because in the second, probably, on the availability of work) queue. And first of all, depending on the published result. For example, in any case, I will try to get the work and translate it, if the results published in it are global and unique, or affect the nomenclature of the group I need. If the work is quite private and can be useful (or you can do without it) only for review, and it is published in Bulgarian or other languages. For example, in the Eastern European language (for example), then I can also refuse to spend time and money on it.

At the same time, if such a work is published in Russian, then I do not need to quote it (so probably for Europeans, if the work is in English, i.e. they will quote even small work).
Therefore, there is a choice: you can write more or less small works in English and they will be read, or write global ones in Russian and they will also be read (they should, if we are talking about researchers).

This post was edited by Adamov - 11/16/2009 09: 00

16.11.2009 11:49, bora

Adamov

"How can this not be read?! If a copy of the work is available (for example, hanging on the Internet), then why won't it be read?"

Very simply won't be read, checked. When I publish together with a foreigner and make references to Russian-language publications in my work, they ask me-translate, they say, mine did not understand Russian. The same situation when you are asked to send pdf articles, then they complain, I don't understand anything, I don't know Russian - translate it, plz.

16.11.2009 11:56, PVOzerski

Adamov, your words would be in the ears of your Western colleagues... But they don't read it. Not only in Russian, but even, say, in German. And the articles published in our magazines are not even read in English. I'm thinking of posting everything that I will publish, if it does not contradict the rules of publishers, on the Internet - and then I am threatened that they will not quote or refer. Well, this is what my grandmother used to say when I didn't want to eat as a child, "it would be offered" smile.gif. With the nomenclature, as far as I know, the situation is as follows: the names are taken into account (because the Code), but the content part of the work (for example, analysis of phylogeny) is not read. By the way, the Russian language is not listed in the Codex as recommended for publication, as far as I remember, so our taxonomists are saved only by the fact that this provision is only of a recommendatory nature. In general, in the West, even our classics are known shitty. Lovelock has "discovered"it Vernadsky half a century after the publication of the concept of the biosphere, having previously stated about the same thing in his Gaia hypothesis, and Grime 40 years after Ramensky came up with the doctrine of ecological strategies in plants (thank you for at least mentioning it later in your works). And they complain about the complexity of the language in general (by the way, it is quite Indo-European) and Cyrillic in particular (as if it consists of several thousand hieroglyphs). But the moral here is this: we will be read in Russian if our science breaks out in the world leaders. So far, there are no prerequisites for this, rather on the contrary frown.gif
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16.11.2009 15:07, Yakovlev

The article may not be read for 2 reasons.
1. It is in a language that is incomprehensible to Europeans and Americans - we are hotly discussing this.
2. It is published in a specific publication. The bulletin ... There is a group of journals that are not cited anywhere. For example, the Bulletin of the Altai Agricultural Academy. And he is Vak for candidates. And no one will ever explain to a young author that his work will die if he does not make a copy himself and send it to Zool. R.
and this is also a serious problem

16.11.2009 15:50, Aleksey Adamov

  
But they don't read it. Not only in Russian, but even, say, in German. And the articles published in our magazines are not even read in English. I'm thinking of posting everything that I will publish, if it does not contradict the rules of publishers, on the Internet - and then I am threatened that they will not quote and refer.
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And in general, in the West, even our classics are known shitty. Lovelock has "discovered"it Vernadsky half a century after the publication of the concept of the biosphere, having previously stated about the same thing in his Gaia hypothesis, and Grime 40 years after Ramensky came up with the doctrine of ecological strategies in plants (thank you for at least mentioning it later in your works). And they complain about the complexity of the language in general (by the way, it is quite Indo-European) and Cyrillic in particular (as if it consists of several thousand hieroglyphs). But the moral here is this: we will be read in Russian if our science breaks out in the world leaders. So far, there are no prerequisites for this, rather the opposite.





So maybe it's about the attitude of the "West" to the Russians? They ignore our achievements and everything...
So why then "impose"...?
Quite offensive expressions, such as:"English is the language of science... every researcher should strive to disseminate their work among the scientific community – Western researchers...". Our scientific community means not true. And to read domestic works in Russian is not worthy.
In Russian, at least, they will read our books and quote them, but in English, neither one nor the other really exists.


If we talk about the CD and the publication of "the main results of work in journals", then, in my opinion, the mandatory publication in a "cool" journal is superfluous. As far as I understand, a PhD is only a Candidate In Science. And getting super-high results is not necessary, the main thing is to learn and prove to someone that you can do, in general, get new results. The CD development period set for us is 3 years, but in fact – 2. During this time, there is little that can be done properly. Here, for doctors, such "global" publications that will be interesting, not only here, but also abroad – this should be a must.

This post was edited by Adamov - 11/16/2009 16: 01

16.11.2009 16:19, Coelioxys

What are you arguing about?.. What does quoted mean? Currently, the ISI Web of Knowledge is used as the basis for citation of works in the Russian Academy of Sciences, only Zoological and Paleontological journals (i.e., those with an impact) are included in the list of Russian entomological journals (at least partially), and all other journals are ignored.
Novel ! What kind of Bulletin are we talking about, for example, do you know how many of your works are in this internationally recognized database? (this is taking into account the fact that you have described a lot of taxa, and even a super-specific rank). Access to the database is paid, so I will announce-9 links to your articles in 3 works, of which 2 articles are yours. This is absolutely not to say that your work is not known, but according to the rules of the game (according to which we play in the Russian Academy of Sciences), this is practically 0.
I did not write this at all in order to compare who has the most citation or overall impact, you just need to understand that now in the Russian Academy of Sciences such rules of the game use them to play.
And about the hobby for which money is paid, I completely agree, tai ai-da to us in RASsmile.gif
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16.11.2009 16:25, Vlad Proklov

So maybe it's about the attitude of the "West" to the Russians? They ignore our achievements and everything...
So why then "impose"...?
Quite offensive expressions, such as:"English is the language of science... every researcher should strive to disseminate their work among the scientific community – Western researchers...". Our scientific community means not true. And to read domestic works in Russian is not worthy.
In Russian, at least, they will read our books and quote them, but in English, neither one nor the other really speaks.
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Yes, of course - they just hate everything Russian in the West!..
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16.11.2009 16:28, Yakovlev

No fucking
way-3 articles in the ZJ, 1 in the EO, 6 in the EEA, 15 in Atalanta, 4 in Note, 4 in Tinea (more than 100 works in total). 120 new species, 30 new genera... and such quoting.
Okay, fuck it, why get upset, we need to work.
In general, it is a horror that Impact does not have most of the quite decent European and Japanese entomological journals.
I think Zootaxa has an Impact?

16.11.2009 16:30, Yakovlev

Yes, of course - they just hate everything Russian in the West!..
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I think not in the West, but in the United Kingdom. In Germany, for example, the attitude towards Russian specialists is very good.

16.11.2009 16:31, Vlad Proklov

I think not in the West, but in the United Kingdom. In Germany, for example, the attitude towards Russian specialists is very good.

Yes here too smile.gif

16.11.2009 16:36, Coelioxys

If we talk about the CD and the publication of "the main results of work in journals", then, in my opinion, the mandatory publication in a "cool" journal is superfluous. As far as I understand, a PhD is only a Candidate In Science. And getting super-high results is not necessary, the main thing is to learn and prove to someone that you can do, in general, get new results. The CD development period set for us is 3 years, but in fact – 2. During this time, there is little that can be done properly. Here, for doctors, such "global" publications that will be interesting, not only here, but also abroad – this should be a must.


What nonsense... Now many Councils are pushing such work that you just want to cry. The worst thing is that these protected people, fully confident in their huge intelligence, go to work in universities and teach new graduate students at the same level, creating entire schools and directions. A separate song is published in various Messengers... I'm not talking about everything, but at least in specialized journals it is much more difficult to publish this heresy, which regional journals do not hesitate to publish. And "prove to someone there that you have done something new" is very simple, pay money and publish.
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16.11.2009 16:45, Coelioxys

In general, it is a horror that Impact does not have most of the quite decent European and Japanese entomological journals.
I think Zootaxa has an Impact?

That's all about it. In Europe and Japan, impact (a purely American invention) is treated very coolly, but there are other criteria. But we have everything as usual-to catch up and overtake, so one article in Nature (impact more than 40) costs more than 60 works in Zootaxa (0.74). And 60 works in Zootaxa is...
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16.11.2009 16:51, Yakovlev

Without naming names!
A month ago, I found out that in a neighboring region there is a graduate student who wrote a dissertation on cherry butterflies Z. Tuva. He is the author of 6 works. I do not know any of them. A person who was specially engaged in collecting literature for the preparation of books. To the question to a friend of this guy - why didn't he contact me, why didn't he meet me, didn't write, didn't come (distance 200 km!) they say to me - but he doesn't know you, and in general, he has already collected the material, why bother with your head.
I am by no means a leader in the study of butterflies in the region (we have Dubatolov, Kosterin, Ustyuzhanin) - but I am still the author of many articles on the region, and now two rather serious books.
Okay, fuck him and the kid.
And this is due to the fact that the manager is just one of the same people. He is already creating a scientific school. In short, I was impressed!
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16.11.2009 16:54, Yakovlev

Maybe this is due to the fact that the leadership of the Russian Academy of Sciences is weak-willed? As in the case of my previous story, where a couple of professors having a rate at University H are ready to defend any work that will be done by graduate students of associate professor H, who provided them with these rates.

16.11.2009 17:11, Coelioxys

Yes, all this is true. We need to fight not with global issues, but on the ground. At least write negative reviews, and that will be useful. In Ukraine, when V. G. Radchenko became the chairman of the Expert Council for Doctoral Dissertations, the number of defenses decreased several times, he put such would-be doctors in a puddle a couple of times and the rest did not like it.
And Dubatolov, by the way, broke his leg, but still flew to the ZIN to oppose Belyaevsmile.gif's dissertation
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16.11.2009 17:56, Yakovlev

Yes, Dubatolov, well done, despite the fracture rushed to St. Petersburg. By the way, I really liked Belyaev's abstract.
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16.11.2009 17:58, barko

By the way, I really liked Belyaev's abstract.
And where can I read it?

16.11.2009 18:00, Yakovlev

I think it's on the WAKA website, but I read it at home, Zhenya sent it to me, and I immediately sent him a great review, just like a couple of years ago and Margarita.

16.11.2009 18:33, Большаков, Тула

Maybe this is due to the fact that the leadership of the Russian Academy of Sciences is weak-willed? As in the case of my previous story, where a couple of professors having a rate at University H are ready to defend any work that will be done by graduate students of associate Professor H, who provided them with these rates.

Yes, all this is true. We need to fight not with global issues, but on the ground. At least write negative reviews, and that will be useful. In Ukraine, when V. G. Radchenko became the chairman of the Expert Council for Doctoral Dissertations, the number of defenses decreased several times, he put such would-be doctors in a puddle a couple of times and the rest did not like it.



There is obvious venality of individual "lobbyists" with non-interference of other members (or maybe just a "division of spheres"). But the main thing is that the Ministry and the Higher Attestation Commission have no incentives to fight against horned-hoofed graduate students and prostituted dissenters. On the contrary, there is a mutual guarantee: the graduate school supplies the applicant, all sorts of "friends" (but not specialists) write good reviews, the council accepts him, and the Higher Attestation Commission approves. Dissertation pipelines are organized in this circle. If there is a lot of noise, there are always metropolitan "werewolf scientists" who are ready to organize and write any positive conclusion. All is well. When I was fighting" my own fight " against forgers, one chairman of the council said::what do I care about the wac, I'm a member of it myself. And another said: we are good people, we all defend ourselves, and you come and bring your friends. And when they got rid of a candidate for lepidopterology with 5 negative reviews and 3 black balls, they turned to a well-known metropolitan coleopterologist, who found a lepidopterologist nearby, but a complete drunk who was on the hook with the authorities and could not help but write an exculpatory conclusion, which someone waved.
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16.11.2009 18:57, Aleksey Adamov

What nonsense... Now many Councils are pushing such work that you just want to cry. The worst thing is that these protected people, fully confident in their huge intelligence, go to work in universities and teach new graduate students at the same level, creating entire schools and directions. A separate song is published in various Messengers... I'm not talking about everything, but at least in specialized journals it is much more difficult to publish this heresy, which regional journals do not hesitate to publish. And "prove to someone there that you have done something new" is very simple, pay money and publish.


Thank you for rating my "nonsense" as "excellent"…

You're talking about advice, but what does it have to do with job seekers? Why bend the requirements for the applicant (for his work), if postgraduate study is only 3 years?! During this time, you will not make a good (truly complete and "thoughtful") literature review on the topic.
And a fake PhD candidate is unlikely to be able to create "a whole school and direction".

I understand perfectly well that you are right that publication in a foreign magazine (with all the reasons) is some kind of guarantee that the applicant's work is not fake. But we must not forget that the CD is a certain standard... a certain time (a short period). These three years will not "degenerate" the applicant from such a" global " job that it could interest the editorial board of a foreign journal. If, of course, the work is not performed in the RAS system, where there is unlimited access to literature, collections... and in general "people do what they love" and they are paid for it, some salary.

It may be easier to cancel full-time, commercial and part-time postgraduate studies in higher education institutions. Leave the application and postgraduate studies at the Russian Academy of Sciences and advice only at the Russian Academy of Sciences. Then it will be easier for you to clean up "in places" ...

16.11.2009 19:15, Yakovlev

I didn't understand anything.
And why cancel graduate schools? Thousands of righteous and wonderful professors work in universities.
In a small town, a fake cbn can create a school and referral. Not all cities are like Rostov.
The fight against left-wing dissertations is a complete elimination of paid messengers! You can do a lot in 3 years. If zat as. Work with Zoolog. Records and that's it. And we have dbn-s, some do not know what it is and when they are given a business trip to Leningrad, they calmly relax instead of working in the library. It's all about laziness and impunity.
My young colleague A. Volynkin is in the 1st week of graduate school. He has approximately 300 days in the field to his credit. Tens of thousands of collected samples. 5 trips to Novosibirsk, 2 to St. Petersburg, 1 to Munich. And there are still a lot of plans. If you can't work, then don't do it. This is my advice to those who complain about life and during the years of graduate school have not invested a single ruble in research.
Recently, a conversation - and why do you have fees from such and such a district is not. This is for a 3rd-year graduate student entering the defense.
The answer
is that they didn't give me any money!
I'd beat you for that. They didn't give it, didn't earn it, couldn't, didn't finish it - so they didn't want to! Why Solovyov is a graduate student of Zolotukhin (in the 3rd year of graduate school) He was twice in the Far East, 3 times in Vietnam, 1 time in Malaysia, 3 times in London, 10 times in Germany and recently published a 200-page paper in Germany. And someone 2 times waving a net thinks that he collected the material to become an academician.
Of course, I gave perfect examples, but, friends, if you are a taxonomist, then during the years of graduate school:
St. Petersburg, Moscow, Novosibirsk... one trip abroad and field field field... And it's real.

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16.11.2009 19:27, Yakovlev

By the way, those "entomologists" that we are discussing do not even know about the existence of this forum. This is so by the way. They just aren't interested in it

16.11.2009 19:55, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

I'm not talking about everything, but at least in specialized journals it is much more difficult to publish this heresy, which regional journals do not hesitate to publish.


I mean the same thing.
Yes, it is difficult to publish in REAL peer-reviewed journals. It is much easier to console yourself with the thought that "they don't like us there" and print in their own, native "storosov, sermyazhny and homespun" ...
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16.11.2009 20:00, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

If you can't work, then don't do it. This is my advice to those who complain about life and during the years of graduate school have not invested a single ruble in research.


Thanks! I totally agree.
Science is made precisely "out of personal interest".
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16.11.2009 20:01, Yakovlev

By the way, colleagues, I just remind you that now, in addition to the really "difficult" EO, ZZ, EZH, there are profile much simpler Amur and Altai zoojournals, a bunch of good Western magazines that are very easy to publish. At least they're coming to London, and they'll be referred. We have, I repeat, candidates and doctors who do not have a SINGLE article in specialized publications. And that's terrible.

16.11.2009 20:42, Konstantin Shorenko

From L. V. Bolshakov files for downloading and studying on the page http://entomology.ru/tula/ It reports:

1). Tula local historian Nemov Nikolay Ivanovich, editor of the latest issue of the collection "Biodiversity of the Tula region at the turn of the century. Ed. issue 1 (2008) presents an electronic PDF version of this unique publication as an entertaining reading material for the entomological community (the file itself is hosted on the Yandex server).

2). The former editor of this collection (and the current editor of Eversmannia), L. V. Bolshakov, posted previously unpublished materials on the topic" Amazing Nearby", which was started in Biodiversity+ in 2004. We offer a rare opportunity to discuss a "suspicious" entomological dissertation (prepared "in its own juice" and in secret from the entomological community) more than 2 weeks before its defense. The first review was received based on a deep knowledge of the geography and faunal research of the Tula region.

Entomologists should be engaged in ENTOMOLOGY, not discussing someone else's blunders. And this will be much more useful for understanding the world than the opposite point of view smile.gif.

16.11.2009 20:56, Yakovlev

Entomologists should be engaged in ENTOMOLOGY, not discussing someone else's blunders. And this will be much more useful for understanding the world than the opposite point of view smile.gif.

I don't fully agree with you, dear Dormidont. I am not a supporter of wars and obstruction, but understand that freebies are very bad and it is necessary to fight them. I'm a doctor by training. We're hanging out in a tent with some friends. It was on Saur. And I tell them about the horrors of unprofessionalism that occur in our circles. Here are some examples. Read the latest in entomologist's tales...
And they tell me "Protect yourself, Roma"
I tell them "Why"
"For self-defense"
After 8 months I defended myself...
We don't discuss blunders and mistakes. we're talking about when a person is generally not knowing the topic at ALL!!! AT THE THIRD-GRADER LEVEL! defends himself and begins to teach others. Taking into account your deployment, ask the opinion of my respected Ukrainian colleagues, for example, Igor Plyushch. Get a comprehensive answer!
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16.11.2009 21:24, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Entomologists should be engaged in ENTOMOLOGY, not discussing someone else's blunders. And this will be much more useful for understanding the world than the opposite point of view smile.gif.


Lysenko's rise is also partly explained by the fact that they did not want to criticize him.
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16.11.2009 21:37, Yakovlev

Let me clarify my opinion again. We are not talking about different views on the problem, not about the wild joy of contemplating and dissecting someone's mistakes. We are talking about wild frenzied and criminal unprofessionalism. You see, when a person defends himself by day butterflies (and there have been a lot of such things in Siberia in recent years), he does not know the names of Tuzov, Churkin, Zhdanko, Plyushch, does not know what Staudinger looks like, this is the same if a doctor looking at a portrait would confuse Pirogov with Avicenna. I don't mind mistakes. Everyone has them. Do you know how many I had!!!! ooh.
I am against vile illiteracy. And once again, none of the people I'm writing about without mentioning their surnames even know about this forum. Because they don't fucking need it. It's boring for them. It even seems silly.
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16.11.2009 21:49, Dmitrii Musolin

I think not in the West, but in the United Kingdom.



Well, it's not serious... How many languages does the average scientist know now? 1-2... Native and English... Well, sometimes +1 more (Fr., German. or Spanish.) Don't tell me that, well, I know someone who reads 10. There are, but only a few of them. Information is now an avalanche... I only get the table of contents of 50 main magazines by email... I don't have time to view it... Of course, people primarily read articles in their own language and in English. And Russian, Bulgarian, as well as Chinese and Japanese articles are postponed for later, i.e. for never... Therefore, the main Japanese magazines are already published in English. And Chinese ones, too. What is more local in the application is printed in local languages. What is still more universal-they try to print in English. Everywhere. And the point here is not in dislike of Russia, but in efficiency...

Everyone scolds the impact factor, but they still try to send it to magazines with higher IF... This applies to faunistics/taxonomy to a lesser extent, and ecology, etc., is mainly based on this principle. My Japanese boss first asked IF when discussing the work on the article - where we will send it... And in English, of course...

16.11.2009 21:53, Yakovlev

I completely agree with you, but I don't understand why my quote was taken. It just seems to me that foreigners are treated worse in the UK than in other countries.

16.11.2009 21:55, Dmitrii Musolin

I completely agree with you, but I don't understand why my quote was taken. It just seems to me that foreigners are treated worse in the UK than in other countries.


smile.gif the quote is not taken on purpose, just one of the following... Not in Velibr. business or Not...

16.11.2009 22:23, Konstantin Shorenko

I don't fully agree with you, dear Dormidont. I am not a supporter of wars and obstruction, but understand that freebies are very bad and it is necessary to fight them. I'm a doctor by training. We're hanging out in a tent with some friends. It was on Saur. And I tell them about the horrors of unprofessionalism that occur in our circles. Here are some examples. Read the latest in entomologist's tales...
And they tell me "Protect yourself, Roma"
I tell them "Why"
"For self-defense"
After 8 months I defended myself...
We don't discuss blunders and mistakes. we're talking about when a person is generally not knowing the topic at ALL!!! AT THE THIRD-GRADER LEVEL! defends himself and begins to teach others. Taking into account your deployment, ask the opinion of my respected Ukrainian colleagues, for example, Igor Plyushch. Get a comprehensive answer!

Hm... You know, dear colleague, this is a deeper question than just asking for an opinion and getting an exhaustive answer. If someone is interested in my opinion, you should start with yourself. Ask yourself a question: why do YOU do entomology?: For your career? For fun? Maybe for the status in a particular scientific institution? In any case, people who just care about the crust, go to defend themselves in entomology. Partly because it is quite simple (you will agree that entomologist and mathematician are different weight categories), partly because the entomological scientific elite was crushed and mired in anti-scientific heresy, generously fertilized with money of ignorant loafers! But it is still necessary to abstract from all this, because it is a long process and there is no time to study science, in fact, as well as the desire...

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16.11.2009 22:33, Yakovlev

My dear Dormidont,
Time in Barnaul 1.23. Busy writing a catalog of Cossidae of the Old World. For a career, for fun, because of the grind of entomology. I don't know. And when May comes, I'll go to Mongolia or Kazakhstan. Catching butterflies. And so it has been for 20 years. And if you write that those who need a crust are going to defend themselves in entomology, then I just don't know what to say to you. I'll just keep quiet and leave it up to my colleagues to respond to you. When I was advised to defend myself, I already had 16 published articles, in Russia, in France, in Belgium. Not the best and with errors, but there were. I don't know why I wrote them when I was a doctor. Maybe to become the chief medical officer... Or maybe to convey the new data obtained to their colleagues. I started writing this in a good mood, but I feel like I'm getting hot... That's a stupid thing to say, Dormidont. I'm sorry but it's true!
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17.11.2009 2:44, Coelioxys

In any case, people who just care about the crust, go to defend themselves in entomology. Partly because it is quite simple (you will agree that entomologist and mathematician are different weight categories), partly because the entomological scientific elite was crushed and mired in anti-scientific heresy, generously fertilized with money of ignorant loafers!

The deepest misconception... There are only a few entomological councils in Russia (we will not talk about zoological ones, which work on numerical entomology), but there are plenty of Mathematical ones, and then you don't need any database for a mathematician, only a computer (and so that the lights are not turned off), and therefore you can even buy a candidate's or doctor's degree from mathematics with This is not the case with diplomas from entomology. And, believe me, there are far more shitty Ph. D. s than there are shitty entomological Ph. D. s.

17.11.2009 2:56, Kharkovbut

There are only a few entomological councils in Russia (we will not talk about zoological ones, which work on numerical entomology), but there are plenty of Mathematical ones, and then you don't need any database for a mathematician, only a computer (and so that the lights are not turned off), and therefore you can even buy a candidate's or doctor's degree from mathematics with This is not the case with diplomas from entomology.

IMHO, the logic here is broken. smile.gif What does the base have to do with it? Is it the case that the entomologist works "with the material", and the mathematician-with pen and paper? confused.gif

I'll tell you a secret - I'm the same Ph. D. candidate (that's why I slightly offended your attack on our mathematicians ' address smile.gif), I work at Kharkiv University in my specialty, I do some research in mathematics (I won't go into details wink.gif)... I manage to combine this with an interest in entomology, which I think is quite serious. smile.gif Although it is unlikely that I will ever become a candidate of biological sciences, and there is no such need. wink.gif

So, of course, dissertations in mathematics are of different levels - as in any field of science, but to "easily buy" - sorry, it will not work. At the very least, I can vouch for our-Kharkiv-councils.
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17.11.2009 4:07, Grigory - не энтомолог

Entomologists should be engaged in ENTOMOLOGY, not discussing someone else's blunders. And this will be much more useful for understanding the world than the opposite point of view smile.gif.


Let me clarify my opinion again. We are not talking about different views on the problem, not about the wild joy of contemplating and dissecting someone's mistakes. We are talking about wild frenzied and criminal unprofessionalism.
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I am against vile illiteracy. And once again, none of the people I'm writing about without mentioning their surnames even know about this forum. Because they don't fucking need it. It's boring for them. It even seems silly.


Based on the study of materials and replicas in this topic, you can get an idea of the "dissertation kitchen".

Here's a likely recipe:
1. The topic of the dissertation should be at the junction of two or more different scientific specialties. For example: systems analysis, information management and processing (biological sciences).
2. The main topic should have a scientific novelty.
3. Specialization of the topic should be narrow, but informative (for example, butterflies, i.e. lepidoptera).
4. Materials of a narrow specialization should be presented in a voluminous and science-like manner (who will check tens of thousands of objects?).
5. Any publication in the "VAK-ovsky sbornik" is required (see discussion).
6. The dissertation council should not include relevant narrow specialists – you only need to get positive feedback from those who are considered such (how to get it? - the problem of "cooks").
7. The preparation and defense of a dissertation should be carried out with the maximum level of confidentiality (less "dedicated" – less "pepper").
8. In the process of "cooking", all unofficial opponents should be ignored, and after successful defense, the most zealous can be reined in (for example, through the court).

This recipe is useful for any "cooks": both weak and strong. Who needs all sorts of surprises and extra hassle?

But, using such or other "recipes"," shitty " candidates and doctors of any sciences "cook" their own kind. And they "burn" resources that could be useful to real scientists.

Isn't this a state-level problem?
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17.11.2009 5:28, Coelioxys

of course, dissertations in mathematics are of different levels - as in any field of science, but to "easily buy" - sorry, it will not work. At the very least, I can vouch for our-Kharkiv-councils.

no attacks, especially on mathematicianssmile.gif
just type in the search engine "buy a diploma" and see how many offers the Internet will give you, the cost is very democratic-40-45 thousand rubles, and just economic and mathematical specialties are in demand, I didn't find any offers to buy a diploma in the specialty "entomology".

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