Learn geography!

For example, when I went to the Altai, I was surprised to learn that there is the Altai Territory with its capital Barnaul, and the Gorno-Altaisk Republic with its capital Gorno-Altaisk,with its own flag and anthem.And it will somehow be easier for me if I call the region Altai, and the republic Gorny Altai.I don't know what kind of annoyance this causes in Europe(I think they will also be surprised like me that there are 2 Altays), but the "Gorno-Altaians" themselves sell souvenirs with the inscription "Gorny Altai"

Well, on the topic:
Please don't send me packages for entomologists in Syria or Lebanon.Everything is very close, but not really

For example, when I went to the Altai, I was surprised to learn that there is the Altai Territory with its capital Barnaul, and the Gorno-Altaisk Republic with its capital Gorno-Altaisk,with its own flag and anthem.And it will somehow be easier for me if I call the region Altai, and the republic Gorny Altai.I don't know what kind of annoyance this causes in Europe(I think they will also be surprised like me that there are 2 Altays), but the "Gorno-Altaians" themselves sell souvenirs with the inscription "Gorny Altai"

It is now, like, called the " Altai Republic "(yes, not to be confused with the neighboring Altai Territory)

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 04/21/2009 19: 02

please send through me sooo many parcels to the Far East, Altai, France, America, Australia, etc. etc. - I am very close

1. A friend from St. Petersburg gives my friend Novosibirsk a parcel with a request-you, dear man, give it to Khabarovsk - it's not far from you.

Pretty girl.

With me it was-I'm going to the UK, and my colleague writes to me: will you take a parcel from a common colleague from Tomsk, like both from Russia (I'm from St. Petersburg).

I will not recall all the numerous cases of geographical cretinism, as I call this phenomenon, there were and are a huge number of them. And this is despite the fact that geography-of all school subjects, it would seem, has the greatest everyday value

Just recently, my colleagues and I recalled a case when American volunteers with a biological education came to us in one of the villages near Blagoveshchensk a few years ago. Teach our local kids to read and write (they don't seem to be literate here running around the streets). We arrived in winter clothes, one friend even protruded his felt boots and earflaps somewhere, so as not to differ from the locals, probably. Well, they arrived, the skis were unloaded, and then the heat is +30 (early August), the lotus has just bloomed. They say: "And we thought you had Siberia and tundra all around"

This post was edited by Dinusik - 04/22/2009 07: 26

Just recently, my colleagues and I recalled a case when American volunteers with a biological education came to us in one of the villages near Blagoveshchensk a few years ago. Teach our local kids to read and write (they don't seem to be literate here running around the streets). We arrived in winter clothes, one friend even protruded his felt boots and earflaps somewhere, so as not to differ from the locals, probably. Well, they arrived, the skis were unloaded, and then the heat is +30 (early August), the lotus has just bloomed. They say: "And we thought you had Siberia and tundra all around"

They may not be Americans, but believe me, Dinah, in my experience.

They may not be Americans, but believe me, Dinah, in my experience.

Agree. There are plenty of similar examples with anyone. Just this case was very bright!

Many of our compatriots believe that from Lake Baikal to Nakhodka is like from Tambov to Tver.
And that from Khabarovsk to Vladivostok you can ride a bike in half an hour.
I remember one Barnaul naturalist asking for a trip, I tell him-there is no room in the car on the road, and he says why the car is needed - we will get to Kosh-Agach by train, and then on foot.
I'm talking to a very venerable entomologist-I'm discussing the distribution of the species - I say-it flies in Western Mongolia, and it should be near Irkutsk for me.
I wonder why.
- Mongolia also borders on the Irkutsk region.
And all because people catch insects only in their dacha, and they know entomology only from collector's boxes. This trend is daunting.
And, unfortunately, this trend is demonstrated by our central institutions. Lack of expedition programs, the desire to conduct them, helplessness in the field and solving issues with visas, with border guards.
I do not make any comparisons, but over the past 5 years, our botsad has organized 9 trips to Mongolia, 3 to Kazakhstan, 3 to Tuva, 4 to China, 3 to Japan, 1 to Uganda, 1 to Australia, countless trips to the Russian Federation (Altai, Buryatia, Irkutsk, Tuva, Krasnoyarsk Territory, Yakutia). And this is a small division of a minor university. I am very pleased that our academic colleagues from Novosibirsk are also very active.

Great theme!!!!
Thanks!
It's funny, when I was going to Nepal last year, almost everyone I spoke to asked, " Where is it?" To my banal answer, "They say, the Himalayas, between India and China", they asked another question: "Is there a sea there?" But even worse was something like, " Oh, Nepal, I know, cool, it's somewhere in Africa, right?" IT REALLY PISSED ME off.
Well, come on, this is a far abroad country. Many on the map of the Russian Federation is not something that the city, even the regional center will not be able to show. Moreover, ask someone in front of the map, I'm sure that 50 percent will not show either Tyva, Yakutia, or Khakassia. There is nothing to say about such an" exotic " place as Wrangel Island.
Another case recently was: three girls were traveling in a transport and (!) solved a crossword puzzle, which is already surprising and commendable. To the question "Administrative center in the Far East", one asked: "The Far East? Where is it?" For a long time, even the fact that the center was on the letter X did not help them.

Rolled down. Hurtful.

Rolled down. Hurtful.

Oh, right... So we skated not by geography, but in general, what makes geography stand out here? They have only increased their knowledge of religion and pornography, and all scientific knowledge has been a failure for many years. A natural consequence of switching to a clean tagline. In Yugoslavia, I remember, young people were always much more devoted to old people and classics than, say, in central Russia, where at gatherings young people sang not hits, but mostly folk songs (now they haven't even completely forgotten how), but in 1989 (literally before the war) in Belgrade, seeing from the window When I saw a monument, I asked a young passenger who it was. He thought about it and said: I forgot something... We drove up a little closer, I see a mustache, and a familiar face; I say-a friend, but it's a Tesla! The guy was delighted – exactly, he says, he is! And when I read the inscription at the door behind the monument, which looked like a radio engineering department, quite close at hand, it all became quite clear. Ask any Muscovite how long they have been in the Gorky, Herzen, Gogol or Chekhov museums. Here Dibrov once a few years ago held his quiz "millionaires" among our " elite "(God forgive me), and Shoigu, Mitkova, and many others participated there. So simple questions (up to school questions on "Eugene Onegin") – not in the tooth with a foot, flew out like a cork almost at the three-ruble mark... The cultural level is nowhere lower. And you say geography...

In terms of geography, I will also recall one case – how I first visited the Far East. In 1990 or even 1991, I had to go on a business trip to Komsomolsk-on-Amur. So I bought a ticket there to Komsomolsk, and back - from Vladivostok. At work, he said that the trip would take more than a week (of course, all by plane). I say that you can't get tickets for return flights from Komsomolsk, but there are a lot of flights from Vladivostok (and the price is about the same). And what's the point of fixing it, I say, if it's all close by, I'll somehow jump from one point to another. The accounting department agreed: indeed, all this is nearby, do not get stuck on a business trip forever, even if from somewhere, but will return. And this is "close" from north to south-much more than from Moscow to Leningrad. But from Moscow, you can see that everything is very close there, which is not a little sideways, if compared to the price for there and back local roads, along with grub and housing, are mere pennies. I spent a few days in Komsomolsk, from there (by train!) for a day to Khabarovsk, from there by plane for a few days to Vladivostok, and then from there to Moscow. For the service, it was called-visited Komsomolsk and its environs. My schedule there was not very convenient, the weather was not very pleasant, but I also wandered in nature opposite Komsomolsk (the former Pivansky section of Amurlag, along the old road to Sov. Gavan), and in the vicinity of Khabarovsk (Voronezh-1), and in the vicinity of Vladivostok (between the Banevurovo platform and gor. Ussuri region. Even caught something (for a Muscovite and it was exotic). So sometimes someone's geographical simplicity can help...

About Altai, by the way. It may very well be that from afar and the Altai is not so looked at as from the Altai itself. If we talk about the administrative-territorial division, so the Altai, in my opinion, has long been two. And in the vernacular, they always talked about Gorny Altai especially (in contrast to the steppe Altai, which already rests on the Novosibirsk region). Krutikha, Kamen-on the Ob (I've been there everywhere), etc. – after all, Altai is on the map, and there not only does it not smell like mountains, but in general the whole plain is flat as a board, in the Moscow region you will never see such a flat terrain in your life. This is not the same plane that you go from Cherny Anuy to Ust-Kan (there, I remember, there is some very flat plateau), but a flat plane, birch and pine forests and occasionally very shallow lakes. Of course, in physical cartography, the term "Altai" should refer exclusively to a mountainous country (as in a relief map, zoogeographic provinces, etc.), but since most often a point is designated based on administrative divisions, there is no escape from the two Altays yet, and this should not be taken tragically. If the steppe part has not yet been renamed with the term "Altai" removed from the name, you will have to put up with it. Or fight for renaming it, so as not to waste the original name of the mountain country.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 04/22/2009 09: 22

I can't say much about it myself until I've been to a certain place.. A little drawing on a map doesn't say much, and a description from the Internet or from someone else's mouth doesn't say much either.

I don't have many examples yet. But here's POO. I read a lot about it, heard a lot of stories, but when I found myself there, I realized that all that information was just bullshit, which in fact did not give any specific knowledge, but only created its own kind of underdeveloped image..
Moreover, it is not possible to know everything..

It's good that you, Roman, have traveled half the country, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, etc. And many people have little idea what it is.. After all, what is a curved black line on the map?. Yes, almost nothing.

For a long time, even the fact that the center was on the letter X did not help them.

Today, rather, it even interfered...

I can't say much about it myself until I've been to a certain place.. A little drawing on a map doesn't say much, and a description from the Internet or from someone else's mouth doesn't say much either.

Everything is important here. If you just examine everything with your own feet, then nine-tenths of an active life will go down the drain. You also need to be able to analyze the Internet. Deliberately approximate information from the literature-too. And the map-even more so. This will save you a lot of time, effort, and money.

It was on the map that I personally discovered populations of extremely interesting species even within the Moscow Region (sometimes not known to entomologists and, accordingly, not mentioned in any literature). Both the presence of power lines and gas pipelines, and the presence of small rivers, and the degree of afforestation of their banks, and the intersection of rivers with these same clearings, the density of solid horizontal lines on the map, and even the geometric shape of a bald spot in the forest and the length of roads of a certain type can tell a lot. I'm not even talking about the fact that on the map you can pre-estimate the driveways. All non-eurytopian views should be searched for (unless you are driving to a point that you have already suggested, but are looking for a new one) primarily based on the map. It was based on the map that I set points for such diurnal species as mnemosyne, alceae, morpheus, palaeno, ausonia, crocea, maturna, eunomia, aquilonaris, hero, tullia, minimus, orion, arion, teleius, helle, optilete, as well as for various jacobaeae, striata, phegea, Eversmannia exornata, etc. to others. So the map is a great thing. And the crown of business, of course, is a personal trip.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 04/22/2009 10: 14

The topic is not as obviously harmless as it seems. It seems to me that one should not confuse the level of education, which implies, of course, knowledge of geography, and encyclopedic knowledge. Experts in geography are invited to answer the following basic questions:
1. The average temperature in June in the province of Misiones?
2. How many steps are there from the corner of Kolokolnaya and Zagorodnoye to the Vladimir Cathedral?
3. What time is it at the Antarctic Progress station?

The topic is not as obviously harmless as it seems. It seems to me that one should not confuse the level of education, which implies, of course, knowledge of geography, and encyclopedic knowledge. Experts in geography are invited to answer the following basic questions:
1. The average temperature in June in the province of Misiones?
On what scale?
2. How many steps are there from the corner of Kolokolnaya and Zagorodnoye to the Vladimir Cathedral?
Whose steps are you in?
3. What time is it at the Antarctic Progress station?
Local time or Moscow time? by the way, on the waist? or on maternity leave? or in summer? And M. B.-Greenwich Mean Time?
Please clarify your questions!

Seriously: You're right, of course. There is information at the level of general intelligence, and there is information at the level of senseless counting mania (this is known to medicine), when a person counts passing cars or even stones in the paving stones on which he is walking... The absence of the first information drops the personality no less than the presence of the second... So, we here, in my opinion, limit our sadness to the level of modern mass knowledge of information of the first type. P.S. The Cathedral, apparently, is located there (if we mean the one in your city). At the station, I believe, they use Moscow. I hope to learn about the province from you, so as not to die ignorant; for the rest of the provinces, by the way, too, you can even single out a separate topic.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 04/22/2009 10: 32

My drunk friend was woken up in the middle of the night by a second drunk friend and asked where Gibraltar was and where Labrador was.
And he didn't answer, being a geographer by training.
In fact, it's a shame that Russia ends for so many people somewhere in the Kazan region.
I remember one of my Japanese friends being on a joint trip, asks-and where is this subspecies of apollo found. I explain to him - in central Russia and show him the map. And he told me (with bewilderment) - no, this is the far West!
In fact, I consider knowledge of geography to be an important part of an entomologist's education.
And Mongolia, this is not a point, and in the Bryansk region there is more than one forest.
In general, self-education is a big thing. And I really want to know more about the world and the world of insects.
Hello everyone And I call everyone to Siberia. See how great it is and how spacious it is. And there is much to learn. Have a great summer!

About Altai - Brezhnev arrived in Barnaul and gave a welcoming speech-Dear Altaians.
Altai is a mountainous country (Russia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, and China).
Altai Territory - partly in the Altai and partly on the West Siberian plain.
The Altai Republic is located entirely on the territory of Altai. Physical geography department.
The confusion is terrible.

It seems to me that the example of the United States can be quite illustrative here: with very poor ideas about where even neighboring Mexico is located, the level of knowledge of "their" geography at one time impressed me. The average student knows very well not only all the states, but also their capitals (and also the history of their country is very good). This is all cultivated at the state level, and the developed infrastructure and so on. it allows a person to change their place of residence five to ten times during their lifetime and travel around the continent without any problems. Even now, try driving from Moscow to Vladivostok by car along the federal highways!

You know, I now work in education and understand that knowledge about geography for many children (and teachers) is a pure abstraction. Our people cannot travel, see the world, and simply never leave their villages.
This is the problem.
But what should I do?

You know, I now work in education and understand that knowledge about geography for many children (and teachers) is a pure abstraction. Our people cannot travel, see the world, and simply never leave their villages.
This is the problem.
But what should I do?

There would be a desire. I was banned from traveling in Soviet times - there was no chance to leave the USSR in principle. However, his interest in the world around him was great and he knew the geography of foreign countries quite well.
By the way. My interest in geography was instilled in me by a good, talented teacher...

Talented teachers are a huge problem.
Our biology teacher told us about potato hoeing.
In general, we have a lot of problems with this, the twinkle in the eyes of teachers is being lost.
My God, what can I say about the Soviet years, I just visited Alma-Ata. I saw the Trans-Ili Alatau at the age of 15 and realized that butterflies should be caught in the mountains.

A catalog of the world fauna of fingerflies has been published, where the author (a Dutchman) writes if the species is described from Armenia, the type locality is Russia, and the same applies to the species endemic to the south of Transbaikalia.
And the catalog of European lepidoptera, where there are divisions-Luxembourg, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, and the entire European Russian Federation, Ukraine go in a separate column together. Both Crimea and Murmansk.

You know, Neil, but a couple of years ago, Zenit fans drove an old ramshackle car all the way from St. Petersburg to Vladivostok.

That's Zenit fans! We could also use scooters with beer

A catalog of the world fauna of fingerflies has been published, where the author (a Dutchman) writes if the species is described from Armenia, the type locality is Russia, and the same applies to the species endemic to the south of Transbaikalia.
And the catalog of European lepidoptera, where there are divisions-Luxembourg, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, and the entire European Russian Federation, Ukraine go in a separate column together. Both Crimea and Murmansk.

Yes, in this sense it is a arctic fox book!
And another half of the Cyrillic alphabet in the list of references is printed by krakozyabry!

As for the European catalog , this is a flaw of our entomologists. It's just that Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania already had lists of species by 1996-and we only had one in 2008.

Giles, the author of a book on fingerflies, was visiting Ustyuzhanin in Novosibirsk and discussed some issues with the latter.
Peter tells him that this species is found in Kamchatka, and this one in Chukotka, to which Giles replied
- We in Europe call all this Chukotka.
Petya jumped up and led Giles to the map and showed him. Here, Case, Kamchatka, here's Chukotka, and this is your fucking Holland.
I had to agree.
Carelessly written work.
I still don't fully agree about Europe. Just the territory is ignored. It was necessary to attract Ruskskys, to split up the territory, well, at least somehow. This is just an attitude to Eastern Europe.

As well as the attitude of Eastern Europeans to Asian Russia

If people do not go anywhere special in their life, then why the hell teach them in-depth knowledge of geography, which they will never need, if they leave then they will not.. (

Well, I know where Eritrea is. so what.. Who cares, let him know, and who does not, then che in vain brains to rape.

Uh, friend Ripper, wait...
Then you don't need to learn the Pythagorean theorem, computer science, or Shota Rustaveli.
In addition, the topic is stated not as-Russian people do not know geography well, but that Russian entomologists do not know the geography of Russian and Central Asian (written by Russians), but they write dissertations and draw conclusions. That's the gist of it. And the fact that a couple of ssykuh does not know about Khabarovsk, but God will judge them-maybe they are well versed in lipsticks...
I'm trying to prove that a taxonomist needs theoretical knowledge in geography and field research. Especially if it deals with Russia or the Palearctic.

If people do not go anywhere special in their life, then why the hell teach them in-depth knowledge of geography, which they will never need, if they leave then they will not.. (

Well, I know where Eritrea is. so what.. Who cares, let him know, and who does not, then che in vain brains to rape.

How, so what??????
This is already good.
If you know where this Eritrea is, Andrey, it means that your brain is developing in the RIGHT DIRECTION. You see, there was enough room in your head for little Eritrea, just as there was enough space for you not to participate in the riots.
So, if you know where it is, this Eritrea and show it on the map without a hitch - only honor and praise to you!

Why don't they ever go anywhere? Lomonosov - and he went, even went on foot. Or he could have stayed in the middle of nowhere. Again. geography - zna in what direction chapat Aspired, after all, and went.

Stop, stop, stop, dear friends, let's close this topic. Morozzz has already called Eritrea small, but there will be two or three times more Moldova, and Nepal more. We are all not without sin.

  

Well, I know where Eritrea is. so what.. Who cares, let him know, and who does not, then che in vain brains to rape.

Oh, Andrew.... The brain needs to be trained constantly. The ability to perceive, understand and remember new information is not at all a violation of the brain.

Besides, who knows what knowledge you'll need in life. For example, at one time, by the decision of my native party and government, I suddenly left the university and joined the Soviet Army. And it would seem nafiga in the Soviet Army (and not in the chemical troops) knowledge of organic chemistry. But the head of the fuel and lubricants unit, an ensign, decided to get a higher education. And he had to study chemistry for admission. And when the others were cleaning up the territory of the unit at -25 degrees Celsius, I sat in a warm room, drank tea with sandwiches and taught the ensign chemistry. Maybe geography will be useful in life...
Py Sy Ensign chemistry passed on "good" and entered the Institute.

What's true is true
You need to train your brain.. And it's not bad to know geography.. And it's too bad that many entomologists don't know.
It is a pity that it is not possible to know everything)

What's true is true
You need to train your brain.. And it's not bad to know geography.. And it's too bad that many entomologists don't know.
It's a pity that it's not possible to know everything )

In much knowledge - much sorrow

I don't know, Onotole doesn't look particularly sad

I don't know, Onotole doesn't look particularly sad

and on the side?

A catalog of the world fauna of fingerflies has been published, where the author (a Dutchman) writes if the species is described from Armenia, the type locality is Russia, and the same applies to the species endemic to the south of Transbaikalia...

In 1993, a catalog of the palearctic fauna of one of the genera of babbling flies, a fried group among diptera (like sailboats among ropalocera), was published, where the author (a Dutchman) very succinctly wrote the place of storage of the type specimen - "Moscow Zoological Institute" . Can I fix something in Holland ?