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12.05.2009 21:51, А.Й.Элез

I agree with almost everything, but I'll just add it. If, for example, you need to get somewhere else from the railway station, where you can get by car, then sometimes a taxi is not much more expensive than a bus. For example, just yesterday I went to the vicinity of the Nerskaya station. At the platf. The three of them took a taxi to Kurovskaya, where the taxi company is very powerful, the tax is firm, the ride was at least five km, everything cost 120 rubles. BUT: even on the forecourt, I found out the phone numbers at the taxi driver's office (closer to the entrance to the market), took their business card with all the numbers. When they had to go back from Nerskaya, the bus to Kurovskaya was not due for an hour; they called the office from their mobile phone and called a taxi, which arrived in five minutes at most; the journey cost the same 120 rubles. It's not fatal for three people, but compared to the bus schedule, it saves a lot of time (and there are very few passenger passengers on the Yegoryevskaya road in the direction of Kurovskaya), and we caught the train, which didn't have enough people going to Moscow to hold on to the luggage racks with our teeth. In Yegoryevsk, I know, you can also easily call a taxi to any village and leave without any problems, if, say, the last bus has already left. In my opinion, this is also getting better in other regional centers. Unfortunately, there are very key stations that are not district centers and where you can only rely on ogloedovs, who are sometimes ready to rip off the skin. True, there are not enough cabs, but they keep their prices, and it is not always possible to find a strikebreaker, since the guys are used to punishing dumping in their environment. This is the case, for example, at the stations Tuchkovo Belorusskaya railway, Uzunovo Paveletskaya railway. And from the district center there to call a taxi (if they are in it) - it will be expensive, since the district center very often turns out to be completely off the route.

Conclusion: when arriving at the station, immediately write out the numbers of taxi sharags there (do not forget that a five-digit local number will not give you anything with your non-local mobile phone, find out the number completely as for long-distance dialing (or mobile number). If you do this, you will certainly not get stuck in gullies, but will reach civilization. By the way, you can even find out their mobile number from a particular driver who takes you there, so that you can call him later and take you back.

About hitchhiking. Hitchhiking is not always "cheaper", and it also has local psychological characteristics. If you catch not from the stations, but by hitchhiking (passing), then you can even get a ride to the Luzhki in the Serpukhov district (and from there to Serpukhov, too, and they may not even take money). From Beloomut how many times I had to get out on the kindness of motorists. But in Kolomna, we have to hitchhike. Or to get to Kolomna from the side of the Lakes, catch someone on the road. Also unlikely. But the most hopeless place in this respect in the Ministry of Defense (there and at the station almost nothing carries anywhere, except for moon money), this is Taldom. In the area of the "Crane homeland" you will not catch anyone in one direction (i.e., neither to Taldom, nor to Zagorsk). There you need to know the bus schedule in good detail and arrive a few minutes before the scheduled time. There are good exceptions with hitchhiking trips, but the general pattern is depressing.

13.05.2009 11:23, Андреас

I agree with almost everything, but I'll just add it.

"I see.
"Me, for example, waiting can be very painful.
- On a recent hitchhiker's trip, I was guided by the direction and time of day. - That's why I got off the train not in Novorossiysk (the ticket was before it), but in Krymskaya. I went to the bus station and first of all looked at the map. (Don't forget that we have our own specific terrain features in the Caucasus. - And there were also estuaries). - Then I found out that there is no direct flight, and the next 2-one bypassing the left on 3/4 (Haymarket)- another one from the right to half (Temryuk) - only after 1 and 2 hours. "So I hitchhiked to the port. - taxi, 2 hitchhikers and the bus that went to the formation.
- It turned out even steeper back. - The only thing that freezes out is that when you arrive at the bus station by bus , and then to the highway, what would be further to catch-you have to get a taxi for a lot of money more expensive than by passing transport along the highway.
- And I set the tariff myself in the payment plan for car services - 1 ruble-kilometer.
- By the way-we have a radio taxi in Mineralnye Vody around the city-5 km would cost 50 rubles. - I can imagine - if by Moscow standards 120 rubles for 5 km is a freebie; - then how much is "expensive"?

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13.05.2009 18:55, А.Й.Элез

I didn't talk about freebies as such, I just pointed out that it wasn't very expensive compared to other possible transport, i.e. with a bus, where they charge for a ticket from everyone, and not for the entire team, regardless of the number, just to get into the salon. The fact that prices are higher in Moscow and the region than elsewhere is probably true. But even" in the city " in Moscow, they will charge 100 rubles for 5 km (a penny less or a lot more-depending on the route configuration). And for any taxi driver in the region, we actually pay for a round trip. Either he'll take me out into the woods and then ride back on his horse, or he'll have to follow me into the woods on his horse, because I don't think you'll pick up another entomologist on the way there in the evening. And all idle mileage is transferred to the client's wallet. We've been used to this for half a century. These are not the times when there were two taxi fleets for the whole of Moscow, and there were enough of them, and there was no plan or "bachelor" for taxi drivers, and they worked not against people, but for people, it was important for them not to hand over so much money in a day with minimal gas consumption on a bachelor, rather than offend the client, in order to get a penny or a dime on top, and not an extra complaint in the card and a deduction from salary. So figure it out: there, the bus would have cost exactly twenty rubles per nose, making a total of sixty rubles for three people. In fact, the taxi driver charges the same for three people (and if there are four, then four!), but you also have to pay for the fact that he specifically ran after you in the forest. What do you want? They won't give you a personal bus, you'll wait for it like a nice one, either for an hour, or until the next morning, or for days (there are also such regional bus schedules, two or four flights per week), and the taxi pulls up right there, especially for you. It's a matter of choice, I just pointed out a very convenient option for an emergency.

And 1500 rubles (??) in Moscow can be given only for a round-the-world trip. Last summer, it so happened that it was necessary to get blood from the nose from Zhdanovskaya to ride quickly (there were no trains close) to Tugolesye (before Cherusty). So for the whole ride I gave a little over a thousand. Because I was looking for poor guys on the outskirts, and for many years I have not approached the fighters who stand there in the morning and wait for an idiot who needs to drive to the market with three bags of apricots for a shtukar. You need to catch ordinary people traveling in the right direction. It was under Brezhnev that there were many of us, and the taxi driver – one, and he went with the king's face all the time "to the park", and the client was meticulously chosen by himself. Now I'm alone, and there are a lot of them, just raise your hand - now three of them are cutting each other down, who will jump up to pick me up faster. In Moscow, it is simply stupid to pay dearly today. When gasoline cost 7 kopecks per liter, any taxi driver (state or private) felt like a millionaire, and it was impossible to move it without big money. Now gasoline bites, but there is no money, so they are ready for every penny from dawn to dawn to run around the city with bulging countersinks. Money was needed now, and even a penny of Brezhnev would have seemed like a lot of money to them. This is how the price of gasoline affects the price of the service, and not as the driver complains to us, claiming that if the price of gasoline rises, we should unfasten it accordingly more. He'll lick his lips. I drove from uni to my home during the late Brezhnev period for 2 rubles (this is after the price increase, when instead of 10 kopecks, a kilometer began to cost 20), i.e. forty times more expensive than by bus. Now I won't give you more than 150 rubles for the same trip and get drunk, and this is no longer forty, but only six times more expensive than by bus (or seven and a half, if you buy coupons in advance, and not directly on the bus). And if there are two of us traveling, then we pay in comparison with those prices, as if the two of us instead of the bus would have reached in the old days on a minibus (it cost then 15 kopecks per nose), which even then was not considered chic at all. And if there are four of us traveling, then we pay on this route, so only one and a half times more expensive than the bus. So much for the "gasoline price hike"! Small ends, when traveling as a company, are cheaper in Moscow by taxi than by "public" transport. On Kalininsky from the House of Books to the beginning of Kutuzovsky we drive up for fifty kopecks, and on the bus together we would give the same amount, and the three of us-75. It's probably not sour.

Regarding the unilateral establishment by the client of a tax of 1 ruble per 1 kilometer – I admire and wish you a fair wind. I wish I could drink honey with your lips. And then there are taxi drivers near my house on the Avenue huddled together from morning to night, so less than two hundred they, in my opinion, and the numbers do not remember. Also, you see, they want to install it unilaterally. That's why they cost so much, and the one who drove me for a hundred earns. I will stand in the same way if I unilaterally set the price at 1 ruble per kilometer, and I will not go anywhere. Consent-that is, a product with complete non-resistance of the parties...

Another tip: from the very beginning, make sure that the driver understands and accepts the amount. And then it happens all the time: first he puts you, the bastard, for a hundred meters there, and after a hundred meters he asks: Uh, daragoy, slyushay, and where is the village of X? Uh, so that's where it's going... Well, a hundred – it won't be enough, let's at least have two hundred – and the extortion started. For nerves, it's easier for the bastards to just not get in the car. To do this, you need to immediately (if the place is not publicly known) ask if the driver knows where it is and how to go (unless you need a specific route). If the driver agrees to the offer there, then he is responsible for a hundred: "Can you show me the way?"I say, I'll show you, honey, if you're willing to go to a place you don't know for a hundred pupaars and don't want to go any more. Then he either does not hurry to start and start, but thinks about it, or immediately goes, and you can no longer listen to any of his chatter when calculating.

And it is very important: never say a word about kilometers, even in consultation, as extortionists then begin to interpret your words as part of the contract. Let's say you're asking for a ride from the station to the village of so-and-so. The extortionist asks (although most often he knows the place himself) - is it far away? Well, at least approximately? You tell him just for the record: forty kilometers. But if you pass forty-one, you will have to pay not at all one fortieth more: you will start whining with your mother about paying a multiple of too high-well, you said-forty, and then... Therefore, the question "how far is it?" should be answered: I have no idea, I am not responsible for the distance, but I pay so much for driving such and such a person to a particular place, no matter how far it is. You can even show him a map, but if he starts calculating the distance in order of reflection, he will say loudly for every word about kilometers: I don't know how much, and I won't pay for any "kilometers". Then he sees that he won't have to grab you by the tongue later, stops playing the idiot, and is already considering the expediency of the trip for himself; and then calculating on a Black man will be more expensive for your own nerves.

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15.05.2009 18:11, Papaver

... Well, for this, as usual, I will be ostracized ... Why complain about the useless "human material" that comes to institutes, schools, etc. sredn. and higher. educational institutions, if we are all so magnificent, brilliant and busy, disdain to work in school?! And, as you, colleagues, understand, it is not only and not so much in training and education, but in upbringing-when It is already ripe-it is too late to make a Person out of it! And it remains only to moan about the perverted values of modern society and catch the insidious enemies in their endless intrigues...

It is interesting that this phrase, as I believe, is the key to understanding the problem of ignorance of geography, however, as well as other subjects, including the Russian language (see the texts at least on this forum!) - did not pay any attention (or politely passed by).
I "pulled it out" once again to disturb our Ego and show the ONLY REAL opportunity to change the situation... Spravochka: when the USSR began successful space exploration in the early 1960s, the US NASA (Committee on Aeronautics and Space Exploration) allocated huge amounts of money to catch up with the Soviet Union in this plan (!!!). Almost all of this money went to... SCHOOL education reform!
Pirx - thank you!

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16.05.2009 10:40, А.Й.Элез

Hitchhiking is a science. People hitchhike to Asia and Africa for free - http://avp.travel.ru/

Yes, and on electric trains, begging for pennies is also a science, who would argue. And hitchhiking is even more so. Of all the branches of this science, I have covered only one as far as I know, concerning our places, since, judging by the reports of other comrades, we have specifics both in terms of money and in the psychology of drivers in comparison with other regions. Twenty-something years ago, if I wanted to, I could have hitchhiked all over Tajikistan without a penny, and I would have been fed up. So this is Tajikistan, whether they are literate or not, kind or not, but they are people. Moscow is not Asia, everything is much cleaner here. I'm talking about statistics, not exceptions, which are all sorts of things. The Moscow region (as well as some of its neighboring regions) is very different even from other European regions (for example, Vologda), where people are completely different-much more human – about someone else's need to get somewhere. And here, sometimes, for a low price, the driver does not put you in even if he is absolutely on the way, he would rather not get anything than put you in cheap. And for those who are not from here at all, they pile up in the appropriate bread places (they said it correctly here), so they can ask for more than 1500 there. But these are fighters, and you don't even need to sit down with them. Once, to check the price level at the Kiev railway station, I ask one bombila – how much you can get to the hotel "Ukraine" (it's a ten-minute walk, and it's not more than 1 km to go). He, focusing on the Kyrgyz, raises his eyes to the sky, thoughtfully estimates the route with a show-off, and then wrings out four hundred. The same thing will happen at train stations in resort towns like Sochi, so even there you need to move away and stop a normal person, everything will be much cheaper.

I would formulate the conclusion as follows: regions are divided (statistically, not by exceptions) into two categories: in some the presumption of delivery, in others-refusal. In some cases, you will be refused only if there are serious reasons for refusal, in others-you will be given a ride only if there are convincing incentives for driving. Moscow and the nearest – from the second category, even heads it.

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16.05.2009 16:20, Tomas.Adzkee

I don't know...
Last summer, my wife and I went to the Altai and back.
Not in a hurry, having been everywhere you want, without stopping in the city unnecessarily.
It took us 41 days with a visit to the Narzanov Valley (2 days), the Elbrus Region (3), Samara(3), 8 days went to the Altai itself directly, then another 4 days to Perm, after returning home we hung out in Kiev for 3 days...
In total, about 2.5 weeks of travel for 12 (as it turned out in the end) thousand km.

I'll tell you, the ride is really different. Most of all, I do not like to stop in the Crimea. No, if you stand there and stop, they'll pick you up and take you away! Just a huge number of "idle" stops imperceptibly undermine your mood and patience. Everything is designed for tourists. A week in Crimea will cost you no less than a week in Turkey, and the locals are happy to get used to it...
We skipped Moscow without any problems. Although, it was at the expense of Moscow that I had my main concerns.
Well, the most chic is, of course, the Caucasus! When I returned, I clearly realized that the Caucasus is our everything!. Altai is many times more beautiful and hospitable, and for me personally it is even closer. If you leave Sutra, then by the evening you can safely spit out already somewhere-a thread to Tuapse..

But this essay would be incomplete if I omitted to describe the impressions that were born in me after the first full-fledged trip to Mother Russia...
These are, of course, distances!
Already on Taman it was noticeable that there was a lot of free space here)
In Ukraine, every square metric is busy with something. built-up/sown/populated/littered/jammed. And in Russia.... these expanses do not fit in your head!
And then there was Omsk.. Omsk-Novosibirsk, a direct route through the marshes, almost 700 km long with sparse traffic and even more rare (compared to the European part) settlements. This opened a new door, behind which the drivers ' description of the roads of Yakutia suddenly became more and more plausible. That's when I started to realize that we were REALLY a long way from home...from your native and familiar places.. Everything is different.
Well, I can print my story sometime and post it... and returning to the topic of hitchhiking, I can say that one of the decisive roles is still played by traffic. because the world is in harmony. Everywhere there are kind and sympathetic people, and there are gloomy and unfriendly ones.... Who just did not ride us! And to all of them, of course, a huge human thank you! And I hope that each of us has at least learned something from our sometimes rather long, sometimes very fleeting, but nevertheless, Joint Journey.

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18.05.2009 18:47, Tomas.Adzkee

Ha! When the cops stopped us in Pyatigorsk and found out that we had been in Kabarda for a week, they bulged their eyes and said "How? Yes, there are animals!". What animals - I ask.. - We are not afraid of animals, rather on the contrary..
And they answer: "No, these are NOT RUSSIAN! They're ANIMALS! They eat their children there! You are very lucky to have returned from there alive...
And you yourself... one is the spitting image of a Georgian the other is clearly some kind of Kalmyk *)

Here's a taco.
You have neighbors there who will bite each other's throats with pleasure.
And what really happened..
As soon as we drove away from Kislovodsk, the first Circassian woman we met, only noticing us, immediately offered us milk and did not take money. On the outskirts of the Narzanov valley, a peasant came out of the gatehouse, Zaur, as it turned out later, and urgently invited us to have dinner. For us, the lamb was immediately slaughtered, the table was set, watered, fed, taken to the valley (~8 km), presented to the caretaker and settled in a house. All this, as you may have guessed, is absolutely free, as long as the dear guests are satisfied.
The first car stops. Either they will pick you up, or they will come out and say, " Sorry, guys! We can't take it.. there's no room, " they'll ask us if we need anything, and then they'll continue on.

After the natural splendor of the Caucasus and the excitement of human relations that exist there, Altai met us with a not particularly impressive landscape and greedy aborigines. In Altai, we were a priori bags of money, of which we had only about 200 cu between us. And any communication with the locals promised the deepest hatred on their part, if they showed us the way, or provided us with any other information, they did not receive a financial reward for their efforts. So they said, " Hey, give me some money!"

Like that.

And about the Crimea... I've never lived in a rented apartment there, but here's what eyewitnesses write::

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31.05.2009 22:58, А.Й.Элез

I have today transferred money from Canada and sent it instead of the Russian Federation to Romania...
So think about the topic!

Did you send money to a mailing address? And if the bank details, so there is already confusion purely keyboard could be, there is already knowledge of geography is not required, solid numbers and computerization.

And if they really stupidly confused the countries, then let's remember how Mimino was connected to Tel Aviv instead of Telavi... By mistake? I am afraid it is difficult to accuse the telephone operator in Germany of a "mistake"in this case. The authors of the film show just the holy simplicity of the hero, who mistakenly believes that his hometown abroad is well known to everyone so as not to repeat the name twice...

The most important thing is that if he had booked Tel Aviv, no one would have sent him to Telavi by mistake.

Or: if we sent a letter from Russia (or even from Romania) to Canada, even our postmen would not have sent it by mistake to Cape Verde...

Now think about the topic...