Who is it? Help us identify our neighbors!

Here are some ancient Greek philosophers who believed that mice are self-generated from dirty laundry. If you agree with them, you can assume that hay eaters are self-generated from old books. And if you think about it, you will understand what comes from where.

And if you think about it, you will understand what comes from where.

If I'd made up my mind, I wouldn't have asked.
Previously, no living creatures were seen on the balcony, except for flies and occasionally stray wasps. And our floor is very high, so that nasty crawlers from the street to our balconies crawled...

So it's insects, not window thieves, they are what to crawl horizontally, what to crawl vertically-without much difference. Gold-eyes, so in general fly after all.

So it's insects, not window thieves, they are what to crawl horizontally, what to crawl vertically-without much difference. Gold-eyes, so in general fly after all.

I'm talking about my own problem. About hay eaters.
With flying, everything is just clear. With bedbugs, cockroaches are also clear - they run away from marginal neighbors or they can accidentally bring things with them. And how do creatures like hay-skin - and other food and scales get to the balcony on the 15th-25th floor of a high-rise building??? Do they really crawl in from the ground???

Not necessarily from the ground, but you are not the only resident of the house who has a balcony.

I'm talking about my own problem. About hay eaters.
With flying, everything is just clear. With bedbugs, cockroaches are also clear - they run away from marginal neighbors or they can accidentally bring things with them. And how do creatures like hay-skin - and other food and scales get to the balcony on the 15th-25th floor of a high-rise building??? Do they really crawl in from the ground???

And who, in the first place, told you that ALL hay eaters do not fly? Imago (adult stage) in most of them is winged: http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc_biology...%80%D1%8F%D0%B4
Secondly, what prevents the same hay eaters from living with your neighbors (who, due to their lesser or not developed entomophobia, may not even notice them) and, mastering new living spaces, crawl into your home?
Thirdly, based on the size of the hay eaters, bringing them into the apartment with all sorts of things is not something that is difficult to exclude, but simply necessary (for a sane person) to anticipate. And here the whole point is only in the availability of acceptable conditions for development in the new room (why knowledgeable people are so insistent and advise you to monitor the humidity level in the apartment as a control/prevention measure).
Fourth, don't lump the leatherworms with the hay - eaters: leatherworms are from a different order (Coleoptera, beetles), and their imagos ( ) fly beautifully. And their sense of smell is similar to their preferred substrate - you never dreamed of it!
Fifth, ... ugh, I'm tired - then google and common sense will help you.
PS And one more thing: you would not be fond of any "chemistry" for pickling "from hay eaters": pickling from them, you pickle, including (and maybe above all) FROM YOURSELF. The hay eaters may return, but the damage caused to your body from the poisons used will remain with you. It is better to maintain appropriate conditions in the home (including the necessary level of humidity), do not create huge stocks of unused products/junk/junk, etc., in case of pests of household supplies, without regret destroy the infected substrate together with its inhabitants. And (most importantly!) try to get rid of entomophobia.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 28.10.2016 16: 42

And who, in the first place, told you that ALL hay eaters do not fly?

Our people don't fly, they're book lice, judging by the place where they live on the balcony, which I ruined... And in retaliation, they started crawling over to our house.

If anyone is familiar with the habits of book hay eaters, I would like to ask...

At the very beginning of the fight against them at home, in several places in the apartment, I came across hay eaters in groups of 4-5-6 individuals, mostly in boxes (with board games, shoes, children's drawings, etc.) in hard-to-reach places. At the same time, the pests were in a herd in one box, and there was not a single one in the boxes next to it. How is it that they keep together as a group? And how do they know where to go and where to settle in? Do they run in herds instead of one at a time? How do they find other people's habitats?

After I threw out these boxes of hay eaters, I sprayed the places where the boxes were standing, shook up the entire apartment and destroyed (as I hoped, if not all of them, then the bulk) she went on vacation. After the vacation, I again shook up everything, found a dozen corpses in books (the shelves were smeared with chalk with pyrethrin, I think they died of poison) and 7-8 live ones, but not in groups, but alone.
Why were they herds in the beginning, but the last ones found were already solitary?
By the way, they write that they don't go into things... However, I found a few of them in the dressers with bed linen and clothes. However, not in groups, but as individuals. So, they also climb into their clothes, or were they lost?.

So they could only get there through the apartment...

Not a fact. Variants from neighbors, skidding, etc. can not be excluded.

I used non-toxic poisons for humans.

How interesting! Could you please announce the entire list of such poisons-deadly for some animals (for example, arthropods, including insects) and safe for others (for example, mammals, including humans)? Here (by the way!) on the contrary, it may well be. Homo sapiens is weak and not tenacious
P.S. Information from the packaging of the applied product is not considered-this is a commercial move, no more.
And another thing: here you are all pests, pests... Let's say. And what specific harm did hay eaters bring to your property (health) in your apartment? Photos of eaten books, other damaged items, bite marks and "sores" on the body (God forbid!) as proofs are welcome.

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 28.10.2016 19: 28

Good evening, everyone . I once wrote here about my problem three weeks ago . Found in the house gamazovyh mites ( it's exactly they passed in the examination there is a conclusion) . We've been poisoned three times already , two times by the healer, and the third time by Forsythe . But there is no sense, they opened all the floors, because they climbed out from under the skirting board , they live under the laminate and substrate, tomorrow we will poison there . Q: Who are they eating there ? And is it possible to get rid of them ??

They eat rodents or birds. And you still haven't written anything about the attic... Apparently, you have something secret there. The fifth time, perhaps, I will not ask any more.

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I don't know how to answer a specific person here , the attic is there, it was treated three times by the healer and Forsythe . We don't have mice chickens pigeons rats etc . The house is new and private . One of the animals that, after finding ticks, was treated and ran with us . So here's the thing laminate flooring in the rooms was removed, there we have a cork substrate under it, they also run . Poison again ? And now what? I'm already thinking about polymer floors . To make sure that no one starts up under them .

P.S. Information from the packaging of the applied product is not considered-this is a commercial move, no more.
And another thing: here you are all pests, pests... Let's say. And what specific harm did hay eaters bring to your property (health) in your apartment?

Chemical analysis of poisons and their effects on humans, I personally did not conduct. But logically, they can't be very toxic to humans. After all, a person is a large and tenacious animal, which is not so easy to poison. For small beetles, a small concentration of poison is enough, which is unlikely to bring at least some harm to a person.

They brought harm to my mental health-neurosis and panic attacks for a whole month. Now I do not find them in such numbers as in August-September, occasionally 1-2 pieces of living or dead, and I got used to the idea that they roam somewhere... And a month ago, it became physically bad when they were found. I began to inspect every object I picked up for the presence of nasty beeches.
And yes, they also brought me economic damage - I had to throw out a couple of expensive board games intended as a gift to a child, in the boxes of which there were herds of these creatures.

During this time, I read a lot of literature, but there is no information that they are found in houses without a live victim of a mouse rat, etc . who really faced such a problem and how they brought it out . I'll go nuts like this, it's like a find-a-tick adventure. And they are bastards either reproduce or are tenacious . Now we don't live in the house , only in the morning and evening for checking . Dysensectrors don't know what to do anymore . At first they said that 99 percent would die , then like a prolonged action of 14 days, the terms all came out, then they were still processed , but after three days they climbed again . And now, three days ago, they processed the Foresight and the result is the same, they live and live . What do you recommend ? Can wait for cold weather and freeze the house ,.

Good afternoon!
Bite 3 equal distant points, itchy. .. the second time, so it's not an accident! In the Dominican Republic!
Please help me find out who it is?

Traps are everywhere , the fact is that in the house on the first floor they are not and not one was noticed, there is a whole floor in tiles . In the corridors and stairs, too, tiles do not have them , but where the laminate they are there .

Is it possible that they live on other beetles?

How to identify sparrows in roof voids ? There, too, some traps are necessary . You see, the oddity is that where there are no tiles on the floor and where there is laminate . Bathrooms toilets corridor .

And what is the cycle of their life and can they live without their sacrifice when they are born ?

against ticks there is nothing better than the good old cifox pour it into the pulsfog and shun it under the roof and other laminate flooring and you will be happy
we must fight the cause. if the reason is birds, then you need to put nets, if rodents, but you need to poison/catch not only in the house, but also do "barrier processing" - bait containers around the perimeter of the site

This post was edited by AGG - 29.10.2016 09: 58

Here is the conclusion laelaptidae genus androlaelaps

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..Logically, they can't be highly toxic to humans. After all, a person is a large and tenacious animal, which is not so easy to poison. For small beetles, a small concentration of poison is enough, which is unlikely to bring at least some harm to a person...

M-yes, well, if "purely logically"... Then no comments. And this one:"...man is a big and tenacious animal, which is not so easy to poison, " - especially.

They brought harm to my mental health-neurosis and panic attacks for a whole month. Now I do not find them in such numbers as in August-September, occasionally 1-2 pieces of living or dead, and I got used to the idea that they roam somewhere... And a month ago, it became physically bad when they were found. I began to inspect every object I picked up for the presence of nasty beeches.

So, after all, entomophobia . Although, in principle, it's not bad that only she is in the bottom line.

And yes, they also brought me economic damage - I had to throw out a couple of expensive board games intended as a gift to a child, in the boxes of which there were herds of these creatures.

But this is in vain: consider that you have caused this damage to yourself-along with your entomophobia.

But this is in vain: consider that you have caused this damage to yourself-along with your entomophobia.

Are you suggesting that we leave the boxes where these small creatures live, so that we can get even more of them?
It's just that I don't really know how to make sure these things haven't laid their eggs in a box. Beeches are vacuumed, and small eggs can be laid in the seams of the box, can't they?
I can't find any info anywhere where they usually make masonry? And how do they do it - in piles or single eggs in different places? They write that a female hay eater lays only 1 egg per day, but unfortunately there is no information about how and where she does it.

Are you suggesting that we leave the boxes where these small creatures live, so that we can get even more of them?

You provoke me to platitudes. Well, if you please. I suggest that the boxes with toys should not be thrown away, but rather they should be shaken out (a vacuum cleaner is welcome), wiped (the contents - if possible, too), and stored not on the balcony, but in places where there are no suitable living conditions for hay eaters (the question "where is such a place and what are the conditions" is not appropriate - this has been repeatedly written/rewritten in this and neighboring topics).

It's just that I don't really know how to make sure these things haven't laid their eggs in a box. Beeches are vacuumed, and small eggs can be laid in the seams of the box, can't they?

Have you ever noticed that what is smaller is vacuumed up faster and better?

I can't find any info anywhere where they usually make masonry? And how do they do it - in piles or single eggs in different places? They write that a female hay eater lays only 1 egg per day, but unfortunately there is no information about how and where she does it.

If this helps you:

Is it possible that they live on other beetles?

It turns out that it is possible, as well as possible mixed nutrition or its absence!
Oh, how the local cynics will not like it))
Your detective story haunts me! Here's what I found:
http://stopvreditel.ru/parazity/perenoschi...ye-kleshhi.html
Please note that the fighting equipment must be warmed up.
I once looked for a remedy for elk flies, because the usual one for ticks and mosquitoes does not work,I also read a lot,I found only Permethrin.So I think we need to pick it up, - probably yours does not work on Gamaza.
And the second find:
a person who specifically dealt with this individual, including.I would write this Proshina-you just need a chemical parasitologist. Just copy your local story. Or call-there are contacts at the bottom.
http://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/sreda-obi...sina-v-belarusi
Please don't be lost,I will wait for the result.

It turns out that it is possible, as well as possible mixed nutrition or its absence!
Oh, how the local cynics will not like it))
Your detective story haunts me! Here's what I found:
http://stopvreditel.ru/parazity/perenoschi...ye-kleshhi.html

And in what, I'm sorry. Did you see a contradiction? There was a question: "Is it possible that THEY live on other beetles?" In this case, under "they", it should be assumed that they meant ticks found in the mass in the Klim2007 dwelling, under "bugs" - some insects (agree that rodents and birds are hardly "bugs"). Here's what the link you provided says::

and put it in storage not on the balcony, but in places where there are no suitable conditions for hay eaters to live.

The boxes of games in question were NOT stored on the balcony, but in unsuitable conditions for hay eaters-at the top of the cabinet (not inside, outside), where there is full ventilation and dry air due to the heating pipe located in the ceiling in the corner next to this place. However, the conditions unsuitable from the point of view of entomology did not bother the hay eaters themselves, and they settled in these boxes. Of the 4 boxes of games, the hay eaters were herds in 2. I threw them away.

Cousins

  Cousins

Yes it's like reading and understanding: there are no contradictions-just some information complements others. Parthenogenesis?

You're right, my mistake. She didn't specify that our book and box lovers are exactly book lice, small and wingless. And we have a large library, there are very old and valuable publications.

Good evening everyone, my story is really like a detective story . This is the fourth time, Jurax. That's the thing , I already wrote that they are not on the ground floor and in the corridors where the floor tiles tile. So when opening the laminate , it turned out that someone was eating the cork substrate, well, some creatures with legs, beetles or something, and these are my native ticks on them !!! The substrate was burned the laminate was also treated with concrete now we are waiting . I have this quest find the tick already as an obsession . I'm not an entomologist, but I concluded that the screed was badly dried and we put the substrate it absorbed moisture, from the moisture some creatures got on the cork, then gamazs attacked these creatures and voila collapse. I found another article where gamazas meditate on Madagascar cockroaches, so they don't need birds and rats .In general, I wait a week , if there is no one, then I put a new floor and move.

This may not be my case , but they live on cockroaches . So they can also live on someone else from insects .

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Yes, you have come across an interesting genus of gamaz mites, there are many unclear questions about which of them are vertebrate parasites, which are predators, and which are invertebrate commensals, and which can combine different types of food. Do they bite you? If not, then be happy that you have caught such a harmless view, and forget about them.

...when opening the laminate , it turned out that someone was eating the cork substrate well, some creatures with legs, beetles or something, and these are my native ticks on them !!!

Very interesting! Is there no way to take a picture of these beetles and post a photo?

And in what, I'm sorry. Did you see a contradiction? There was a question: "Is it possible that THEY live on other beetles?" In this case, under "they", it should be assumed that they meant ticks found in the mass in the Klim2007 dwelling, under "bugs" - some insects (agree that rodents and birds are hardly "bugs").

Here's what the links I provided said::
1. Some gamaz mites are predators that actively hunt other small invertebrates, or omnivores, while other species of gamaz mites have become parasites and feed on the blood of mammals, birds and reptiles.

2. Gamas mites are an extensive group that includes about 30 families of free-living and parasitic mites. Free-living ticks live in burrows and nests of animals and birds, some species of ticks have adapted to life in human habitation, in various storage rooms, in haylofts, in stables, in poultry houses. Along with free-living ticks, parasitic ticks can also live.

What's in the bottom line? And here's the thing, Mr. Dmitrich: someone didn't study well
For general development, you will need:
http://vredinfo.ru/kleshi/o-kleshhah/lichi...-cheloveka#h2_3
http://vredinfo.ru/kleshi/o-kleshhah/gamashhovyie-kleshhi
And look through the little book again-there are many types described further on:
http://paukoobraznye.ru/books/item/f00/s00...008/st003.shtml
Are you sure that the parasites are in the minority?? Or don't you always admit mistakes?

By the way, inquisitiveness is zero too! There are unanswered interesting questions on the previous page,so no one,I see, rushed to look for answers-it's better to "twist women"

Good evening everyone, my story is really like a detective story . This is the fourth time, Jurax. That's the thing , I already wrote that they are not on the ground floor and in the corridors where the floor tiles tile. So when opening the laminate , it turned out that someone was eating the cork substrate, well, some creatures with legs, beetles or something, and these are my native ticks on them !!! The substrate was burned the laminate was also treated with concrete now we are waiting . I have this quest find the tick already as an obsession . I'm not an entomologist, but I concluded that the screed was badly dried and we put the substrate it absorbed moisture, from the moisture some creatures got on the cork, then gamazs attacked these creatures and voila collapse. I found another article where gamazas meditate on Madagascar cockroaches, so they don't need birds and rats .In general, I wait a week , if there is no one, then I put a new floor and move.

As required...as they say!
While the snobs were teaching everyone here, the housewives got there logically.
Well done, Klim! Cousins are next in line!

Very interesting! Is there no way to take a picture of these beetles and post a photo?

With a blue border?

Only on tarantulas.there is no need for such references, the local "specialists", especially those who were in 2000-the furry year (then many moved to a separate pen for ignorant spider breeders), will not distinguish gamaz mites from panzer mites. Androlaelaps schaeferi in Madagascar and remained (well, maybe even in the insectariums of those rare lucky people who have the honor to keep Madagascar nature lovers), on cockroaches cultivated in our country, usually our local species of acariform ride. There's no way that species can live in your house. But in Russia, there are enough other androlelaps. The most common one is Androlaelaps casalis, and there is a lot of conflicting information about its diet. Even in bee hives they find it. In addition, gamas mites are most often found in the form of multi-species communities. So to fully clarify the situation, you need a normal acarologist, and not a SES one who can identify everyone before the species. And he himself may be interested in such research. Although, if the ticks do not bite, then it is quite possible to just score.

Although, if the ticks do not bite, then it is quite possible to just score.

Yeah, if there are no allergy sufferers in the family...