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03.07.2006 14:09, Bad Den

Similar to hay eaters, the so-called "book lice" (Liposcelis divinatorius)

03.07.2006 14:18, vilgeforce

Are they definitely jumping? Then there may be some primipterous ones. If so, it's okay. They eat bacteria, mold, and other filth.

03.07.2006 14:29, Dmitrii Musolin

Similar to hay eaters, the so-called "book lice" (Liposcelis divinatorius)


then the pictures are here:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Li...rch&sa=N&tab=wi

Looks like it?

03.07.2006 15:27, tess

Thank you all!

They're not ants, exactly.

They jump, or rather jump a few cm up and to the side.

I looked at the photos, maybe mine look like these lice, I'll try to take a picture of them.

I examined the landing and found them on the walls near the baseboards, too, but there is only paint and floor tiles.

03.07.2006 15:41, Павел

Sorry, I've been reading you here. Try to make a better photo of your injuries. The photo is completely blurry, you can only understand what it is about from your words. Practice, maybe with a tripod will work. There are several frames in macro mode..

03.07.2006 19:25, Ольон

Maybe there's something wrong with me... But the topic is called HELP IDENTIFY THE ENEMY!!!! And nothing else! No Fridays on the thirteenth!!!

03.07.2006 19:43, sealor

Olon, yes this is about this topic and not about yours:
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=66333
Just like that, if you can't understand something, then Friday, the thirteenth is a rhinestone...

04.07.2006 16:45, tess

Hi!
I managed to take a picture of this creature, although it runs fast, did not want to pose.
What do you say it looks like a book louse or not?
I think mine has wings, they probably help it bounce.
Who knows where they might have come from and how to deal with them?

Pictures:
picture: 1.jpg
1.jpg — (47.04к)

04.07.2006 19:20, andr_mih

It definitely doesn't look like a book louse, it's another hay eater. It is necessary to fight not with it, but with dampness, otherwise these animals will not have time to eat all the mold, and it will bloom on the walls with lush carpets smile.gif

05.07.2006 0:18, RippeR

beautiful thing smile.gif

05.07.2006 11:19, tess

Where does the dampness come from? I have the 15th floor, the apartment is new, but the renovation was completed a year ago, no mold is visible. Yes, and they crawl on wallpaper, skirting boards and window sills, in bathrooms they are almost absent. They even crawl on the elevator platform on painted walls.

05.07.2006 13:59, Helene

Maybe there's something wrong with me... But the topic is called HELP IDENTIFY THE ENEMY!!!! And nothing else! No Fridays on the thirteenth!!!

Olon, the issue of" damage to things " is closed. smile.gif And no one left you, just summer, time pressure for everyone... Keep in touch with the Department of Entomology - if you get through to Zhuzhikov, everything will be OK, he is a contactable person smile.gif

05.07.2006 15:31, Bad Den

What's going on in the vent channels?

05.07.2006 15:48, guest: tess

I have fans inserted into the ventilation system, which, when turned off, block the return access from the mine to the apartment. Maybe this, of course, worsens the overall ventilation of the air, but I have the penultimate floor - without fans, there will be no extraction at all, such a design. confused.gif

05.07.2006 16:02, Bad Den

I mean, they can crawl from there ...
And they probably don't block access so tightly, either...

05.07.2006 17:59, Dmitrii Musolin

here's about them: http://www.floranimal.ru/orders/2721.html

About wrestling in the Russian Internet almost nothing I came across, but amer. They advise: to reduce the humidity in the room by raising the temperature at least temporarily, get rid of old books and papers, and use aerosol insecticides locally.
(http://www.ext.vt.edu/departments/entomology/factsheets/booklice.html)

This guy is probably a big expert on these things in England: http://www.kcl.ac.uk/kis/schools/life_scie...ci/turnerR.html

06.07.2006 9:08, aspv

Can you identify what these creatures are? From the nest they hatch in packs of
10. They shit all around with caustic black dots. They stick in the cracks.

And how to deal with them?

Pictures:
 the image is no longer on the site: pisec.jpg pisec.jpg — (128.31к) 06.07.2006 — 20.07.2006

06.07.2006 9:20, PVOzerski

Bed bug - Cimex lectularius. That's the one...
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06.07.2006 10:04, guest: a

It looks like a common bed bug (Cimex lectularius). I remember that I once had such people. It is difficult to fight, it is easier to throw out the sofa in which they have nests. And quickly, because if they breed a lot, they will bring it back smile.gif
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06.07.2006 10:20, aspv

That's it, I'm done with flophouses! I called in some sanitizers, and the bed really looks like it's better off in the trash.

It looks like a common bed bug (Cimex lectularius). I remember that I once had such people. It is difficult to fight, it is easier to throw out the sofa in which they have nests. And quickly, because if they breed a lot, they will bring it back smile.gif

06.07.2006 10:20, aspv

S@it........

06.07.2006 11:22, Dmitrii Musolin

Yes, it's a bug. Probably really a bed bug (Cimex lectularius), if in the house. But many others of the Cimicidae are associated with nests of birds, years old. mice...

06.07.2006 11:35, Tigran Oganesov

That's the one! Where did you find it?" They don't just shit...

06.07.2006 11:45, aspv

Yes, the bug is in the house.. There are no birds, but there is a cat, I'm afraid that the exterminators would not have poisoned it too.

Yes, it's a bug. Probably really a bed bug (Cimex lectularius), if in the house. But many others of the Cimicidae are associated with nests of birds, years old. mice...

06.07.2006 11:49, aspv

picked up, figs knows where, recently the geography of trips from Pakistan, to not always the cleanest provincial hotels. And I dug out a whole nest in my bed, I was happy to the point of pig squeal, I thought they hatched out of me smile.gif

What else are they famous for???

That's the one! Where did you find it?" They don't just shit...

06.07.2006 11:55, Tigran Oganesov

They drink human blood.
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06.07.2006 12:32, Bad Den

And, accordingly, they carry all sorts of diseases.
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07.07.2006 1:07, antfarmer

Dear Bolivar, where are you?.. err... did you get the termites?..
let's talk about this topic? smile.gif))
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07.07.2006 1:58, Tigran Oganesov

The termites aren't mine, they're the stuff of our department. And they brought it from Ukraine, near Kherson. We also seem to meet on the Black Sea coast.

07.07.2006 13:14, tess

Thank you so much for your help and links. I studied everything and wrote to this English scholar. He answered me today. He classified these insects and gave general recommendations, but I understand that this species is not very common in England. I'm not very good at translation, only in general terms ( as they say, I read and translate with a dictionary), and the online translator is stupid, translates words without reference to the topic. If someone is interested , I enclose the letter below.
By the way, yesterday I showed these creatures to an entomologist from the Eirisman Institute, she did not identify them, but took them for analysis. I'll get the answer on Monday.
Dear Tatyana,
Thank you for your email
very good photograph which makes the
identification easy. It is a psocid called
Dorypteryx domestica it has long pointed wings
and although cannot fly can make little jumps as
you describe.
This is not a species that normally causes
problems in houses -here in the UK it is quite
rare although it is more common in Europe and it
seems Russia. I have never heard of it being as
abundant as you describe. An important
difference between this and the liposcelis
species I speak most about on my website is that
there are both males and females of this species
so it produces females at half the rate of female
only liposcelid. So it will be slow to reach
high populations and is potentially easier to
control.
All psocids need a certain level of moisture in
the atmosphere, so trying to keep your apartment
well ventilated will help. I do not know what
they feed on, there is little published work on
them. They are not found as pests in flour, as
you note, and so I suspect they are generalist
fungal feeders eating the microscopic layer of
fungal growth that will flourish on slightly
moist surfaces.
Because of this I would not suggest washing walls
and cupboards with dilute bleach or other types
of cleaner. A very thorough vacuuming of all
surfaces cupboards crevices and crannies etc
would be my first action and see how that works.
Throw the vacuum cleaner contents away
immediately outside. If you are happy with the
idea you could use a pyrethroid based insecticide
( eg deltamethrin or cypermethrin) again
focussing on places where they might hide. There
have a low health risk to humans and animals,
except fish. Alternatively there are non toxic
silica based insecticidal dusts that work by
rubbing off the protective wax layer, causing the
insects to dehydrate.
I hope that helps,
please let me know how you get on
Bryan

07.07.2006 14:18, antfarmer

2 Bolivar: and who brings them to the department?
... department in Moscow?..
dear Bolivar, let's have a chat... pliiiz... if you do this here , you'll get a creepy offtopic... as you can see from the nickname I - mmmm... a myrmicophile... gygygy... there are many of us...
we discussed the option of someone more or less interesting to keep as food for goosebumps and termites came to mind... this is in short...smile.gif)))

07.07.2006 14:23, Helene

2 Bolivar: and who brings them to the department?
... department in Moscow?..
dear Bolivar, let's have a chat... pliiiz... if you do this here , you'll get a creepy offtopic... as you can see from the nickname I - mmmm... a myrmicophile... gygygy... there are many of us...
we discussed the option of someone more or less interesting to keep as food for goosebumps and termites came to mind... this is in short... smile.gif)))

Current do not miss termites in the apartment - the beast is khyschny, read the topic!
Oh, and one more thing: if you are a Muscovite, maybe you can catch termites from Olhon (as a specialist myrmecophile)?

This post was edited by Helene - 07.07.2006 14: 24

07.07.2006 16:12, antfarmer

can try... if Mrs. Olhon lives where the thread is-not very far away, you can also stop by to play / take a picture of what kind of attack she has...
any questions about the topic:
1. are there potted plants at home?
(termites are moisture-loving, plants are watered)
2. is there parquet flooring in the apartment?
3. you are a journalist, so most likely the house should be full of paper... books, archives, etc. HOW are they stored, where, and how long have they been reviewed?
4. look at the legs of the furniture, whether there are holes, etc.
...
and I may be wrong, but it seems that there are also ticks that eat wool and skin... or their larvae... then let the specialists tell you more likely enemies...
it seems to me that if these are termites, then you need to look for a source of water/humidity because they can't do without it...

07.07.2006 16:27, Helene

can try... If Mrs. Ollon lives anywhere in the thread, it's not very far away...........

I'll tell you right away (from personal communication): there are no pots of flowers, something like ticks was seen once, but the nibbles appear too intensely for ticks to do this.
Olon gave me her phone number, but I will refrain from posting on the forum (I was not given such authority wink.gif). Lives not very far away, IMHO. My advice to you is to register and contact her via private (private is not available for guests).
I'm here for the last day-I'm leaving Moscow until the twenties...

07.07.2006 18:21, Tigran Oganesov

In fact, he writes about what you have already been told:
1. This is a hay eater. He calls the species Dorypteryx domestica , which seems to be true.
2. The creature does not pose any danger.
3. It lives mainly in humid places, so it is necessary to ventilate the apartment well.
4. If you are still going to destroy them, you can collect them with a vacuum cleaner. In extreme cases, use pyrethroids or other insecticides.

I wouldn't touch them - they don't do any harm. I myself have them living under flower pots wink.gif

07.07.2006 18:50, guest: tess

I wouldn't touch them, but they breed at an extraordinary rate. Although they are small, I have 100% vision. In addition to the fact that they crawl on the walls - on the floor in the evenings there is generally a feeling of an anthill. frown.gif

07.07.2006 18:58, Dmitrii Musolin

I am pleasantly surprised by your determination and perseverance and responsiveness of this Englishman! I just sent a link to his website as a bonus... smile.gif

Do you understand what exactly he recommends to do? The main thing-to wash the walls is useless. It is necessary to vacuum (throw out the contents immediately away from the house) and dry. I don't know what is currently on sale from insecticides (or fungicides), but he offers something with peritroids.

07.07.2006 20:58, Bad Den

Yes, the usual "fumitox" will most likely solve the problem.

10.07.2006 17:29, guest: tess

Today I received an answer from an entomologist from the Eyrisman Institute of Hygiene. She did some tests, compared them from old books, and said umnik.gifthat they were a brood of young ants that didn't have chitinous skin yet and still had wings. And the fact that they jump is their mating dances, since all winged individuals are females (although they jump when they are afraid that they will be crushed, and they crawl chaotically and singly smile.gif) In general, I suggested putting traps from ants. It's all so strange! If they are young , what are the mating dances? And it always seemed to me that there are not so many queens in an anthill. I've seen more than once domestic ants and their anthill - nothing in common. Who should I trust? confused.gif
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10.07.2006 17:41, Tigran Oganesov

To us! They're definitely hay eaters, no doubt about it. Even a foreigner confirmed this to you. And that "entomologist" from the Research Institute suffered some kind of blizzard(la). There are generally strong doubts that this is an entomologist.
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