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27.01.2006 15:19, Helene

and feed them what?

Well, that's the problem... confused.gif We don't even know what kind. One hope is that it is a polyphage, like potatoria.

27.01.2006 15:51, Bad Den

Urgently determine the female is necessary smile.gif
You can try to take a picture of the butterfly and put it here:
http://www.insectnet.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboa...&conf=DCConfID1

This post was edited by Bad Den - 27.01.2006 15: 53

27.01.2006 15:54, Helene

Urgently determine the female is necessary smile.gif

It is of course. I am waiting for information from my scientific boss - he got the fees. smile.gif Although if they need something special, I still can't provide them with anything other than the greens that are sold in supermarkets. Well, I don't have a greenhouse at handweep.gif, but if we lived in the same city, I could push it to you...

27.01.2006 15:56, Helene

P.S. Why you can't take photos urgently-I already said: I don't have a butterfly.
But if I'd seen her in the picture, I'd have recognized her. Maybe you know some thread site with exotics?

27.01.2006 16:17, Bad Den

you can try it on insectsale.com, there are a lot of photos, but it is advisable to know at least the family, so as not to scour in vain
, you can still try here - http://www.funet.fi/pub/sci/bio/life/warp/...-Photolist.html

This post was edited by Bad Den - 27.01.2006 16: 22

27.01.2006 16:45, Helene

you can try it on insectsale.com, there are a lot of photos, but it is advisable to know at least the family, so as not to search in vain

I said it was cocoonworms. Lasiocampidae wink.gif

27.01.2006 17:04, Helene

Well, I looked it up... On insectsale.com there aren't any cocoonworms yet, but I know they're not particularly commercial...
I looked at Lepidoptera Photolist earlier, but now I went through it again - no, I didn't miss anything. Species of the genus Euthrix (relatives of potatoria) are indeed found in Thailand, but there are no images or information about the food plant on the site frown.gif

27.01.2006 22:49, Bad Den

I made a mistake about insectsale.com (he wrote in a hurry.) I mean, sometimes you need to guess the family that a particular species is assigned to on this site. (They love innovations in taxonomy on commercial websites).

29.01.2006 14:02, Evgeny A

The problem is as follows. Pupae that are in natural conditions (on the balcony in a city apartment) do not enter diapause: in autumn, they show body contours, as if a butterfly is about to come out. If left in the heat, they slowly develop, but usually die (although once they turned out to be a normal butterfly). The caterpillars were taken in the Moscow region and the Orenburg region, so they should not be too warm on the balcony in September.
What should I do with them to prevent this phenomenon?

And you find out how many generations a year there are in the butterflies that you keep.
Some butterflies can be found even in late September.
You can try 4 days after pupation, put the pupae "in a box with cotton wool" on the bottom shelf of the refrigerator. And wait until the first frost.

31.01.2006 12:38, Helene

  
.........Some butterflies can be found even in late September.

Well, the language is itching to be sarcastic, but in a professional topic I will refrain... I'll just say that I'm not a youngster, but a matronly entomologist, except that I haven't settled down yet lol.gif

 
You can try 4 days after pupation, put the pupae "in a box with cotton wool" on the bottom shelf of the refrigerator. And wait until the first frost.

This also occurred to me, but simple logic stopped me: the caterpillars were not brought from the North, they are still warm in nature, just like in our country... An explanation for the oddities seems to have been found further in the topic: the contours of the wings on the pupa are normal, which means that the butterfly overwinters in the stage of abstract imago. You just need to put it on for the winter in this form. smile.gif

31.01.2006 12:40, Helene

I made a mistake about insectsale.com (he wrote in a hurry.) I mean, sometimes you need to guess the family that a particular species is assigned to on this site. (They love innovations in taxonomy on commercial websites).

Here's another thing that surprises me: why don't they (traders) respect cocoonworms? They're beautiful... smile.gif
And the caterpillars are still alive-they are eating Chinese salad, they have grown up a little, they have become fast smile.gif

31.01.2006 13:33, Bad Den

This is encouraging smile.gif
How many of them are there, the caterpillar?

31.01.2006 13:44, Helene

This is encouraging smile.gif
How many of them are there, the caterpillar?

It's hard to count. Think 20-30.

21.02.2006 13:51, Helene

I report on the caterpillars of the Thai cocoonworm....

Alas, they died. Yesterday I buried the last user posted image
Most offensive thing in spirtyashka, that they died out of stupidity: they developed perfectly on Chinese salad, and the second wave of Moscow frosts ruined them.
I simply underestimated their thermophilic nature and did not take any measures when the temperature in the room dropped from +23-24 to +19-20. And they had enough: they caught a cold. This was expressed in the fact that they became sluggish, and they had, sorry, constipation. By raising the temperature to +26 (I moved the cage to the battery), it seems that I managed to fix the matter, but when it came time to shed, none of them could... Hurtful weep.gif

This post was edited by Helene - 02/21/2006 13: 53

21.02.2006 17:11, Bad Den

Too bad! frown.gif
The view still couldn't be set?

21.02.2006 17:13, Helene

Too bad! frown.gif
The view still couldn't be set?

The chief promised to determine...

08.03.2006 4:00, AGG

2 Helene
look up the article "BREEDING BUTTERFLIES (LEPIDOPTERA)in the Internet NO DIAPAUSE -L. N. Solntsev" - it's definitely there, but I don't remember where. If you don't find it, write to us and I'll send it to you.

09.03.2006 21:57, Bad Den

http://www.seminarium.narod.ru/moip/lib/en...l/diapauza.html - Here is THIS ARTICLE
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21.03.2006 14:38, guest: rattus

I apologize for interrupting your conversation.....And if anyone has live butterflies to exchange.... my soap rattus@list.ru

01.05.2006 12:57, Нюра

Hello, I have a question for all competent breeders: where do you get butterfly pupae for breeding? I live in Novosibirsk and we do not sell anywhere, and ordering from abroad is scary... how they will be taken all will probably rest...
With pleasure I will listen to recommendations on growing and breeding, can you tell me the literature.
Maybe someone has extra pupae and you can share with a beginner? Thank you.

01.05.2006 21:38, Tyomochkin

Need information about removing a butterfly from its chrysalis! I have a pupa of some very very very rare butterfly. The wingspan is 10 cm! There is no information about it on the Internet. In general, if that is throw. tyomka@lianet.ru

02.05.2006 10:48, sealor

It depends on what types of pupae you need. All "non-locals" are sent or brought in one way or another, in the form of pupae or in the form of eggs. They need to be ordered or found in your own city breeders who already have a culture, you have there in my opinion must be...
In general, there are plenty of interesting local species in the vicinity of Novosibirsk, especially those that live on Sedum sp.

02.05.2006 10:56, Ju-lia

Put it somewhere and it will come out on its own. To avoid catching all over the apartment later, put it in a jar and tighten it with gauze. What are you going to do with a live butterfly?

02.05.2006 11:52, sealor

So what's the name of the butterfly? If you already know such details that the span is 10 cm and there is no data, then the name is known?
And in the jar you need to put a twig, so that there was where to spread your wings.

02.05.2006 19:27, Dracus

Not everything is so simple. I have twice so happened (swallowtail and proserpine) that the butterfly that came out of the pupa did not spread its wings, they dried up, remaining shriveled. In addition, some butterflies immediately after leaving the pupa are mobile - they are looking for a better place to hang smile.gif
Therefore, the ideal variant is a closed aquarium with gauze suspended on one of the walls and a saucer of water. With this scheme, everything went smoothly for me.

02.05.2006 22:44, Tyomochkin

I'm going to send it to the collection. After cherontia, atropos will be proud!

02.05.2006 22:47, Tyomochkin

I've never displayed it before! And if in the aquarium, then put the pupa on the bottom? Will it reach the upper branch by itself?

03.05.2006 9:13, Ju-lia

And how big is the difference between a can and gauze and an aquarium with gauze? smile.gif
Tyomochin
I took a pupa with a substrate, and put it on the bottom, since it lay in nature, if the pupa was on twigs-sticks, then I tore off a large enough piece so that the branch could be put as it was originally.

03.05.2006 10:57, sealor

In general, I have always bred in the aquarium, as it is more convenient to manipulate there, it is easier to create the necessary environment there. It's just that not everyone has an aquarium for this, I think a 3L jar will be full, and of course, gauze is better, then you can easily take out the butterfly with it.
Butterflies climb out of the pupae, they will have wings later, just for spreading the wings of gauze and twigs are needed. so it all has to go down to the bottom of the cage!

03.05.2006 11:41, Dracus

And the saucer with water (or cotton wool, as a last resort, if the hatching takes place in the bank), of course, should be inside the aquarium at a certain distance from the maril / branch for hanging, so that the butterfly does not accidentally fall into the water. The water itself is needed to create the appropriate humidity. The aquarium / jar should be half-covered with something (preferably a piece of glass). If they are not closed, it will be as dry as without water, and if they are completely closed, there may be waterlogging, how it will affect is unknown. Humidity should be as high as in the morning in the places where the butterfly lives (it is known that at least many daytime butterflies hatch in the morning).

03.05.2006 17:02, Tyomochkin

And there are kakinibut signs? Well, like the color changes? Per day per hour of hatching? I want to be close at this moment and see this miracle! And how long does the hatching process last?

03.05.2006 17:09, Dracus

Well, if the drawing has started to be viewed , then what is called "not today, so tomorrow" will hatch.

03.05.2006 18:36, Tyomochkin

What drawing? You mean on a pupa?

03.05.2006 20:04, Dracus

Well, yes, the drawing on the wing rudiments. Closer to hatching, the pupal shell becomes completely transparent, and the first signs appear in about a day or two (in different species in different ways).

03.05.2006 22:02, Tigran Oganesov

Like this, for example.

Pictures:
picture: DSCN00131.JPG
DSCN00131.JPG — (39.89к)

03.05.2006 23:07, RippeR

oleander hawk moth

Share a couple of these pupae smile.gif

This post was edited by RippeR-03.05.2006 23: 08

04.05.2006 0:52, Tigran Oganesov

Aha, then such a glazed weirdo came out wink.gif
picture: Dscn0443.jpg

Don't you get knocked up? They seem to be able to. This one was caught in Sochi and bred in Moscow.
By the way, the pupae were lying in a terrarium lined with tulle from the inside. Very convenient - as soon as they hatched, they immediately climbed on the walls and dried there.
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04.05.2006 5:53, Tyomochkin

I have in the last week pupa tovo a little bit! Jumps forever! What's wrong with her? And where can I get pictures of pupae? Maybe I'll still understand what I have for a miracle will come out. After the Bolivar photo, it was scary! Throw a couple of links with photos.

This post was edited by Tyomochin - 05/04/2006 06: 01

04.05.2006 9:50, Bad Den

Aha, then such a glazed weirdo came out wink.gif
picture: Dscn0443.jpg


Krosavcheg! smile.gif
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04.05.2006 10:45, Nilson

About problems... Leonid Kaabak described how he and Sochivko tried to bring out the avtokrator (or Charltonius - I don't remember, see "I'm going to look for" Kaabak L.). One butterfly came out, and with the others - a bummer. Apparently, the pressure in Moscow was too high for high-altitude sports.

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