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08.07.2006 19:49, guest: Dasha

Thank you very much! But I have another question. And if it hatches, how to keep it? I have a big problem-a cat. Is it possible to build her some kind of "house"?

08.07.2006 21:13, taler

Of course you can!!!With a frame and glass!!!And sign-Papilio machaon.And hang it on the wall!!!And the cat does not care and the eye is nice! lol.gif

08.07.2006 21:32, sealor

In the room such a butterfly will not live normally. They fly to the window and beat, and in the evening they will be burned by the lamp. So to release it maybe.

09.07.2006 12:02, RippeR

taler deal says smile.gifOnly with straightening it is necessary to turn to the craftsman, so as not to have a lump of something there oars on the wall smile.gif

09.07.2006 21:20, chaostrophobia

Here we found a beautiful woman on the asphalt today, who knows what it is?) On the tail is a kind of imitation slug head in the form of two tentacles... On the whistle kukozhitsya)

They put it in an aquarium, filled it with earth, leaves, and sticks...

It is 5.5 cm long... it will be 1.5 cm in diameter)

What to expect? What should I be afraid of?) Thanks)

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09.07.2006 21:34, Dracus

This is a caterpillar of one of the species of harpies (judging by the size, most likely, the genus Dicranura), and not today or tomorrow it will pupate (just changed the color from green to red). A notable copy will come out...
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09.07.2006 23:07, Bad Den

If the parasites don't eat it...

09.07.2006 23:12, chaostrophobia

Thanks) And we were already dreaming shuffle.gifAs it turned out everything couldn't be simpler) But the caterpillar itself is very beautiful...

We will wait for the transformation, and then we will definitely release it)

09.07.2006 23:14, chaostrophobia

If the parasites don't eat it...


So ... err... we won't let our fatbelly get hurt! What should I arm myself with?) There are fly swatters, and there is also the power of thought%)

09.07.2006 23:26, chaostrophobia

Do you need to feed the thread with something? Well, maybe there are some leaves that are preferable? ...

09.07.2006 23:27, RippeR

Then take the power of thought and direct it at the fly larvae and riders inside the caterpillar. If they are there.
And it's better to arm yourself with a flamethrower - no more efficiency, but you can have better fun smile.gif
A caterpillar and grandmother cool smile.gif
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10.07.2006 0:19, taler

Yes, a nice beauty!!! yes.gif An amazing caterpillar!!!Where did you find it?"In what region?

10.07.2006 0:24, taler

And the caterpillar may already be infected with parasites.Hope for a Happy ending and wait.Something will hatch anyway.Or butterfly or parasites

10.07.2006 0:27, chaostrophobia

Found in Moscow, near st m Prazhskaya (most likely vsegogo was heading to Bitsevsky forest park for pupation smile.gif)

optional question: to choose a nickname, you need to know the gender... this...
how do you see where her pistils and stamens are?)

10.07.2006 0:40, taler

In general, you can.But I have never encountered such handsome men.I can only say that you should be careful with it-do not touch it unnecessarily, it may be poisonous!!! mad.gif In Harpyia (Dicranura) vinula caterpillars, there is a gland in the prothorax that secretes a poisonous liquid containing 33-40 % anhydrous formic acid

10.07.2006 0:56, taler

I found something here.Maybe
the Silkworm-harpy will help

Harpyia s. Cerura s. Dicranura vinula is a moth of the silkworm family Bombycoidea, belonging to the family Notodontidae. The genus Harpyia is characterized by the fact that the antennae of males and females are combed, the proboscis is short, the color is whitish-gray and white, the forewings are black-patterned. N. vinula is the largest species of this genus (with a wingspan of 62-75 mm), grayish-white in color; the forewings have black veins with a pale zigzag pattern The harpy is found in most parts of Europe and flies in May and June. Females lay 1-4 testicles of light brown color, having the shape of a hemisphere, on the leaves of willows and poplars, which the caterpillars feed on. These last ones are black at the exit of the testicles, then they turn green with a light brown back bordered with white. The appearance of the caterpillars is extremely characteristic and unlike that of other genera of the Notodontidae family. The caterpillars are glabrous, thick, and humped on the 3rd thoracic ring; the head is covered with light yellow chitin and can be retracted into the prothorax. The posterior pair of ventral false legs is not developed, and instead on the last segment of the body there are 2 long processes (which probably correspond to the so-called cerci, see); from these processes, when irritated, the caterpillar throws out long bright red threads. On the ventral side of the prothorax is the opening of a special 5-lobed skin gland, which secretes a caustic liquid containing formic acid, which serves to protect against enemies; if the caterpillar is disturbed, it sprays this liquid for a considerable distance. In August, the caterpillars turn into pupae, surrounding themselves with a dense cocoon made of pieces of bark or wood; the fluid secreted by the aforementioned protoracic gland also serves to make the cocoon harder; cocoons are placed on tree trunks and branches. When leaving the pupae, butterflies make a hole in the cocoon, releasing a special liquid that eats away at the cocoon; this liquid contains 1.5% caustic potassium and is released, apparently, in the middle intestine of the insect (in its anterior blind processes). Hybrids (males and infertile females) were obtained from males of H. vinula and females of the related species H. erminea.
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10.07.2006 1:01, chaostrophobia

Yui... can I train her later?... well, there... fly to the store for bread) and wean you from the bad habit of splashing this very formic acid?))

We think it can land her podsypat... is a 5mm layer enough for her? And tomorrow in the sun to expose or in the shade to leave...?

This post was edited by chaostrophobia - 07/10/2006 01: 20

10.07.2006 1:31, taler

You don't need to expose it to the sun.Sprinkle the earths and add the ingredients for pupation.If a butterfly hatches, then in its frame and on the wall-for a long memory.Because it does not give in to training and will not fly for bread.And the seedlings on the wall are the right place, at least some use.Well, if the parasites climb, then as RippeR said-their flamethrower lol.gifis

10.07.2006 10:37, chaostrophobia

))) the flamethrower is ready, in case of the coming of the infidels, all in the dust!

And this morning I found out what is in the photo! The process is underway!) We are looking forward to it (I wonder how long it will last), but we are not losing our vigilance%)

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10.07.2006 10:45, chaostrophobia

Oh, well, maybe the pictures are not very clear where it is... and yet it's still there!) Under the leaves and on a stick. Attempts were made to raise the leaf for a better view, but they were hopeless... stuck.

10.07.2006 12:10, ryb

I think it will soon take over the planet.

10.07.2006 13:58, taler

to Dracus:
Amazing!!!According to the photo, such a diagnosis!!!You're a pro!
to chaostrophobia:
Now be patient until the month of May.I would put the pupa on the balcony.In a dark place until the end of April.Whatever the rays of the sun do not fall, rain does not flood and snow is not sprinkled.It seems to me that the Harpies have a pupa overwintering,and not имаго.
to Dracus,RippeR:
What do you think?
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10.07.2006 14:38, chaostrophobia

I also looked through a little information, they write and the truth is that they have pupae overwintering, but on the balcony in winter it can be minus 25, maybe she should tie socks?)

10.07.2006 15:44, Bad Den

In nature, they winter without socks, so on the balcony it will be fine and so smile.gif
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12.07.2006 8:42, Solarway

2 chaostrophobia
Here, in theory, is what your future butterfly looks like.
user posted image

This post was edited by Solarway - 12.07.2006 08: 43
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12.07.2006 9:25, Nilson

))) the flamethrower is ready, in case of the coming of the infidels, all in the dust!

What a flamethrower you are smile.gif!!! Yes, parasites, perhaps, will be even more interesting than butterflies. Be sure to at least take a picture. Healthy newborns to you.

12.07.2006 11:51, RippeR

And then-with a flamethrower lol.gif
It's too early for the balcony! While you keep it in a high box or aquarium, put the pupa in a place where it will not hang out, put a wet cloth down, but not wet, so that the latter does not touch the pupa. Make sure that there is no mold or other nonsense. Put it in the shade, the pupae don't need the sun. And also put a net, gauze or bandage so that the released butterfly spreads its wings well.
In fact, everything is simple, you will succeed!
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16.07.2006 8:16, chaostrophobia

OK, I will act according to the given plan) not without a flamethrower of course)

In the meantime, she will have to be an independent individual , we are leaving for the sea) I think she can handle it)

16.07.2006 11:06, Dracus

Of course, it will cope! )) Do not forget only to lower the" train " of gauze to the pupa, so that it climbs on the gauze to dry and spread its wings.)

17.07.2006 8:30, guest: Dasha

Thank you all very much! And we were born today!
It probably won't be able to fly because one wing didn't turn around. Now I'll try to insert photos.
I'm thinking maybe since she won't fly, let her live in a box. Or for the collection it is better immediately... but it's a pity

17.07.2006 8:43, Fly

I registered. I'll try it now:

17.07.2006 10:18, Tigran Oganesov

Go to advanced mode (under the "reply" button). There, under the response field, there is a "review" button, select where the file is located and attach it.

17.07.2006 11:11, Fritz

Colleagues, I had exactly the same caterpillar, even pupated-this pupa lay for 8 months, even moved its head in response to a touch, but no one hatched: (
And I poyed it in my native Siberia,in Tomsk?!:)

17.07.2006 18:04, RippeR

how to let go of such a teaching where they found it, if the female, then they will find it anyway, if the male, then it will probably cope, but you don't need to put a damaged copy in the collection - they don't do that.. it is better to find an entomologist - ask for a good copy, put it under the frame. If anything, say: "We brought the same one" smile.gifAnd then it will not be solid: "we brought this one, polubotka" smile.gif
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17.07.2006 20:43, Bad Den

It was too dry in the bank, IMHO.

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