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07.08.2006 11:54, Tyomochkin

Yesterday (August 6) I dug out a caterpillar. I lay there for a week, nothing! A night without soil-and pupated. Although not natural, but fast!

09.08.2006 17:17, Dracus

Comrades! Can you tell me if a woodworm pupa needs a diapause? And what humidity conditions should there be (the caterpillar pupated in the ground)?

17.08.2006 22:15, Apis

I have a bindweed hawk moth caterpillar


And where it was found, I read somewhere that they hide during the day?

18.08.2006 6:29, sealor

I've also read that they feed at night and hide underground during the day. This caterpillar was found in the afternoon, in early November (!) last year. She sat motionless, there were no food plants around, and it looked like she was looking for a place to pupate. At home, she pupated after approx. weeks.

21.08.2006 21:41, Apis

Here today I found a hawk moth pupa, rolled myself on the asphalt and found its skin not far away.
Apparently, she was so busy eating that when she came to her senses , she didn't have time to crawl (or there was nowhere to crawl). The skin was lying at the step - there is a little moss and earth-apparently trying to drill through the asphalt - it didn't work out.
I don't know how long the pupa has been riding in the sun-maybe it will burn out, or maybe....... frown.gif

21.08.2006 22:51, Tyomochkin

Here I sit and think. Bedstraw hawk moth is a nocturnal butterfly, which means that it should come out of the pupa at night! And how then to be Deilephila elpenor I got out of the pupa in the morning! During the day I dried out, but at night I flew!
Is there any definite information about this at all?
And more. Hawk moth without diapause when should it come out? Pupated somewhere on August 7!

22.08.2006 18:44, guest: Андрей

The time when a butterfly leaves its chrysalis is not related to its lifestyle. Most of our species normally emerge from their pupae in the early morning. True, not always. And many tropical species, such as death's head, come out in the evening.
By the way, the bedstraw hawk moth is not completely nocturnal, it can fly almost at any time, but it is most active in the morning-somewhere between 6 and 10 am and at dusk.

Bedstraw hawk moth without diapause will come out in 2 weeks at a temperature of about 30 degrees. But if you kept the larva in a short day of light and a moderate temperature, it will retrench.

Sealor,
do you have bindweed plants there often? And then I want to breed it for a long time, but I can't find the producers. He sometimes flies here to Moscow, but these butterflies do not leave offspring frown.gif

22.08.2006 19:19, sealor

Andrey, we have a mass species of convolvulus, and right now they meet. There are also offspring, I definitely found one caterpillar, so not all of them are stray. Another question is whether the pupae survive the winter.
I was also preparing to breed this season, but it didn't work out frown.gif
And today I seem to have found a Marumba quercus caterpillar! There is certainly a similar one in poplar, but I found a caterpillar in the middle of an oak planting, so you can hope. Before that, I found butterflies.

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22.08.2006 19:21, sealor

By the way, I only found a hatched small wine hawk moth late at night on a blade of grass.

22.08.2006 21:09, Apis

we have a mass species of convolvulus, and right now they are found.

well, Moscow is to the north.

23.08.2006 11:55, Guest

Sealor,
if you send some caterpillars or pupae or eggs, it will be cool. I can send you something interesting in exchange. There are caterpillars of Phyllosphingia dissimilis (a cool hawk moth with a hissing pupa), there are a number of caterpillars of Rotshildia sp. and Attacus atlas. There are still pupae of about 15 species, but there are not many of them (all sorts of hawkmoth, saturnia and sailboats).
They can withstand wintering, but only at home.

23.08.2006 11:56, Guest

It was Andrey smile.gif

23.08.2006 13:40, Tyomochkin

The butterfly will come out in two weeks after what? After pupation, or two weeks after your message?

23.08.2006 15:13, Guest

After pupation, of course. At 28-30 degrees. If it's colder, it's longer. And if she's diapaused, it won't be soon...
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23.08.2006 18:48, sealor

Andrew, caterpillars and pupae will definitely not work, I do not know where to look, but about eggs, so you can. But again, it's quite late, three days ago it was up to +35C, a lot of people flew. It's getting colder now, the weather is autumnal, and the probability of encountering a butterfly is low. But even if I do, and with eggs. as far as I understand, the pupa overwinters, and the autumn eggs die, and at home it will not be easy to feed. I do not know if the field bindweed grows in the room in winter, and how well. At the beginning of summer, when the first generation appears, you can try it. Write to user posted image, I would like to clarify about receiving fetal eggs and other questions.

24.08.2006 18:07, Tyomochkin

The chrysalis has darkened! But the drawing becomes clear! It seems to be mobile! What can be the reason for the darkening?

24.08.2006 18:50, RippeR

it gets dark - most likely it gets color, which means it is preparing to go out, most likely in a couple of days you will see a newborn! So put some gauze and a bath to moisten the atmosphere and wait!

25.08.2006 9:51, Tyomochkin

I have my own methodology for this. The pupa is in a 1L glass. In a glass of earth and sphagnum on top, pupa on sphagnum. Sphagnum daily moisturize.
And the glass is in a frame of slats covered with gauze. In the middle of the glass hangs gauze on which after hatching a butterfly climbs!

28.08.2006 15:50, Tyomochkin

Today (August 28) the butterfly came out! And what and how to feed? Proportions, feeding time? If you know where the forum discussed this link please! I searched in the Search, but I didn't find anything!

28.08.2006 17:01, sealor

The discussion on how to feed was held in the topic "Raising caterpillars in captivity"- http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=44498.
For feeding, you need to prepare a syrup of honey and water in the ratio of 1 part honey to 1.5 parts water or even 1:1, but pure honey can not be fed. And you only need to keep this syrup in the refrigerator or cook a little, otherwise it will quickly ferment. You can give it by dipping a toothpick or something else in the syrup, then unwrap the proboscis with this toothpick and put it in a puddle with syrup, and then the butterfly will drink it itself. But the first day after hatching is not necessary to feed.
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29.08.2006 12:08, Necrocephalus

Three days ago, I found a hawk moth pupa in a deciduous forest (judging by the outer edge of the visible wing, it is a linden hawk moth). I would like to bring out a butterfly. If I just put the chrysalis in the refrigerator in a matchbox until spring, will the chrysalis not bend? It does not need to be additionally moistened during diapause, so as not to dry out?

29.08.2006 14:17, Tyomochkin

In my opinion, it is worth waiting until September or October. Maybe this year it will come out! In both cases, it is necessary to moisten! Preferably not in boxes but in sphagnum. In other things, I first used sphagnum, and then switched to gauze folded in several layers.

29.08.2006 18:53, Tyomochkin

Is there any way to tell if a butterfly is eating or not? And then I lower the proboscis into the solution, it's not clear if he drinks! And how to determine male or female?

29.08.2006 23:01, Necrocephalus

In my opinion, it is worth waiting until September or October. Maybe this year it will come out! In both cases, it is necessary to moisten! Preferably not in boxes but in sphagnum. In other things, I first used sphagnum, and then switched to gauze folded in several layers.

I'm just going to keep the baby warm until October, and if it doesn't come out, then put it in the refrigerator. Sphagnum is not present, probably I will use gauze. By the way, if you believe the determinant, then the years of the linden hawk moth are in May - June, i.e. most likely you will still have to arrange a diapause for the pupa (unless, of course, it is some autumn hawk moth). I noticed an interesting thing - the pupa emits a clear and rather strong musk aroma (very similar to the smell of Aromia moschata smile.gif), so I became interested - is this inherent in the pupae of all hawks (or all butterflies in general), or only some special species? Once I brought out an ordinary urticaria from chrysalis, so I didn't seem to notice anything like that...
2 Tyomochin: I think that if a butterfly continues to sit for some time with its proboscis lowered into the nutrient liquid, after you have lowered it there, then this most likely indicates that it continues to feedsmile.gif, But if it immediately removes it, then it probably does not like your cooking.

30.08.2006 8:53, Tyomochkin

No, he seems to be drinking! Little truth. Hawk moth is a powerful butterfly that consumes a lot of energy, but drinks about 5 ml at a time! I ran into a problem with the content. Already the edge of the wing is gone! In the amateur collection still nitsche. I brought out Deilphila elpenor and hawk moth podmarennikov, I didn't notice the smell! I've never heard of musk! And at the expense of gauze: do not moisturize too much! I got wet on the last day before hatching, it became soft as after pupation! It wasn't fully formed! Came out already without part of the front paw! I didn't tear it off, that's for sure.

30.08.2006 10:56, Bad Den

2 Tyomochin
5 ml is quite a lot, actually

30.08.2006 11:03, Tyomochkin

Well, or a little less than 2-3ml! Not Meryl!

31.08.2006 13:05, RippeR

This is the question:
I found a euphorbia caterpillar on euphorbia.. I didn't get much, but I've already eaten it all. There is no place to find milkweed nearby, so you need to find something that it can also eat. tell me.

31.08.2006 13:31, Bad Den

Look at the wastelands, the slopes of ravines - milkweed should grow.

31.08.2006 20:37, RippeR

Thank you. I'm not sure that I'll be able to get out into nature in the near future, so I'm looking for something more easily accessible, maybe some tree leaves..

31.08.2006 21:28, sealor

I have takayazhe problemma was. Interestingly, although I live on the outskirts of the city, and quite "deaf", milkweed does not grow in the vicinity. So you need to get out further, or do not feed the caterpillar at all, it usually pupates anyway, only the butterfly will be small. My milkweeds were almost the size of a macroglossum.

01.09.2006 11:42, Tyomochkin

So how do you identify a female or a male?

01.09.2006 17:13, RippeR

This is if the caterpillar is of the last age? I have a yellow one with a red stripe on the back - is this the last molt? Or is it better to allocate time to find the ill-fated milkweed?

01.09.2006 20:01, sealor

No, usually even if not the last age. Then, if the caterpillar has not eaten for almost a day, then this is a big stress for it, usually after such a period they stop eating, and they begin to pupate quickly if they are old enough.

I have heard that hawks differ in the pubescence of the whiskers and the tip of the abdomen. In the female, the abdomen is more rounded and the antennae are less pubescent. But this may not be accurate.

05.09.2006 19:07, Fly

It's me again. I have now found such a beast. It looks like a swallowtail, but it doesn't seem to be it.

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05.09.2006 19:13, Fly

And the day before yesterday it became like this. At first, the pupa was normal, green, and then it became like this. Maybe she's prepared for the winter, so we have almost 30 people on the street now

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06.09.2006 0:49, guest: RoM

It's me again. I have now found such a beast. It looks like a swallowtail, but it doesn't seem to be it.


This is definitely not a swallowtail, rather it looks like a hood from a scoop.

24.11.2006 20:37, mediatest

Put it in a large box. It will display itself, and then do whatever you want.

24.11.2006 20:58, RippeR

What about different hawk moth pupae, no one suggests?

10.12.2006 19:13, Tyomochkin

People, pupae wintering in the ground, how do they get out? I can't, I've already broken my head!

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