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10.12.2006 21:28, taler

lol.gif Well, do not take everything so literally and even more so try on your own examplelol.gif, everything is much easier for them.It's not a chrysalis that comes out, but a butterfly.Where crawling, where skipping.After all, it does not winter at a meter depth lol.gif

10.12.2006 22:27, RippeR

good question. What about those that pupate in rigid cocoons-for example, Saturnia? This cocoon is hard to cut with scissors.

11.12.2006 13:31, Bad Den

good question. What about those that pupate in rigid cocoons-for example, Saturnia? This cocoon is hard to cut with scissors.

Butterfly special enzymes uses, IMHO

12.12.2006 7:30, Tyomochkin

Well, can anyone answer specifically?

This post was edited by Tyomochin - 12.12.2006 19: 02

13.12.2006 12:16, guest: RoM

Well, can anyone answer specifically?

Cocoons of saturnia have different structures - with an exit (as in pavonia, pear) and without one (antheraea polyphemus). Accordingly, the butterflies either simply crawl out of the cocoon through the exit or soften the cocoon wall with a special liquid. And sometimes they can't get out at all. Especially in fat females, this is a problem if the cocoon lies in a very dry place. Therefore, before the release of butterflies, cocoons should be periodically moistened with water.
Pupating deep in the ground (some species up to 20-30 cm!), they dig themselves out without problems, if nothing interferes with the top. Moreover, butterflies of such species are quite strong and hardy. Dead head - for example.
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21.01.2007 18:01, RippeR

Uv. uchasnegi. I already reported in the topic "Winter Fishing" that I found a bear caterpillar (as it seems to me - rural, because I found a caterpillar nearby last year and brought out a rural one). She is very active-she likes to crawl and probably wants to eat, as she is still going to grow. But what should such a witch do in winter? Which of the usual products can be provided to her?

21.01.2007 20:56, Tyomochkin

A friend was feeding dracaena (I don't know the Latin name). I think I ate it. But I don't know the consequences because the caterpillar was infected with parasites.

22.01.2007 0:13, Necrocephalus

Uv. uchasnegi. I already reported in the topic "Winter Fishing" that I found a bear caterpillar (as it seems to me - rural, because I found a caterpillar nearby last year and brought out a rural one). She is very active-she likes to crawl and probably wants to eat, as she is still going to grow. But what should such a witch do in winter? Which of the usual products can be provided to her?

Probably need to find out what it eats in nature, first. And then, with the help of botanical literature , or with the help of online botanistssmile.gif, try to find among the plants available in winter (indoor plants, or maybe food plants that are sold in the supermarket smile.gif) the closest relatives of its natural food substrate. In general, it seems to me that this is a rather dreary undertaking, but interesting.
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22.01.2007 6:44, Tyomochkin

The caterpillar feeds on "low-growing grasses". So it is written in the determinants!
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22.01.2007 15:42, RippeR

Those. is it worth looking among the grass that grows on the street? Even though it's winter, but it's warm, I can find something.

"A friend fed dracaena" - and who is this? Where does it grow and where to get it? I don't even know that name, and the Latin alphabet wouldn't work at all smile.gif

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22.01.2007 17:00, Necrocephalus

Those. is it worth looking among the grass that grows on the street? Even though it's winter, but it's warm, I can find something.

"A friend fed dracaena" - and who is this? Where does it grow and where to get it? I don't even know that name, and the Latin alphabet wouldn't work at all smile.gif

Of course stit look, since the grass is still growing! smile.gif Just to begin with, I probably still need to clarify the diet - I don't think that she will eat everything under the row.

Dracaena is a houseplant that looks like a minipalm. It has green leaves, with a red border around the edges. Unfortunately, I don't know the Latin name either, but I think Google should know smile.gif

This post was edited by Necrocephalus - 22.01.2007 17: 01

22.01.2007 18:28, Guest

Bear-kaya for example eats dandelion. And dracaena is almost a tree. In general, it is better to look at forage plants on funet. fi

19.02.2007 17:34, Sdubanah

I'm going to raise butterflies at home. If there is someone who is doing this and is ready to communicate, please respond! Maybe when you get the skills and experience you need and I can be useful to you. Write to ICQ 46987499 or here. Thank you.

20.02.2007 22:56, RippeR

I only grow butterflies from pupae (tropics, en masse), and some of our own butterflies-which is interesting-I'll be happy to share information.

So I urgently need one answer to the question:
butterfly.Kiev offers to hang pupae of the tropics on the slats, tying the end of the abdomen. I saw on the site on one foam "pieces" with holes in the center, where the pupae are inserted, I began to use this method. I also think, isn't it even easier to just put ekukolki on cotton wool and on the bottom of the terrarium? Which method is better and why, YOUR OPINION IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!! Because there is a lot of work and large volumes-now 250 pupae, and then they promise to bring 500 more, and gluing and tying each one to the bar, sorry, is painfully stressful.

And in general, what conditions do you most recommend? While there is 25 heat and 60-80 humidity.

20.02.2007 23:17, Zhuk

And what kind of glue do pupae use? This question always tormented me. And then I at one time at the time planted smile.gif

21.02.2007 0:00, RippeR

Silicone seems to be best. Super glue has not yet shown itself badly. Bad on PVA - too long to wait, although the glue itself is good.

21.02.2007 11:27, Romik

I'm going to raise butterflies at home. If there is someone who is doing this and is ready to communicate, please respond!


I breed saturnium and others. What exactly are you interested in ? Ask away, and I'll try to help.

21.02.2007 11:44, Romik


So I urgently need one answer to the question:
butterfly.Kiev offers to hang pupae of the tropics on the slats, tying the end of the abdomen. I saw on the site on one foam "pieces" with holes in the center, where the pupae are inserted, I began to use this method. I also think, isn't it even easier to just put ekukolki on cotton wool and on the bottom of the terrarium? Which method is better and why, YOUR OPINION IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!

And in general, what conditions do you most recommend? While there is 25 heat and 60-80 humidity.


In my experience, pupae are best placed in limbo, so the butterflies will have a place to deal with. It happens that if the pupae of diurnal birds are not attached with a cremaster, then the butterflies do not come out completely and drag the shell on the abdomen behind them and are poorly straightened. It is also important to have more space, because in close quarters, butterflies interfere with each other, climbing on previously hatched, but not yet fully decomposed. The result is a bunch of freaks... If there are a lot of pupae, then the method with foam is probably the most optimal, only the holes need to be made less often. I.e. several parallel foam strips are fixed on top of the cage.
The temperature for the tropics can be kept higher, 27-28 is normal. Humidity - 80% is normal.
What are your views ?
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21.02.2007 15:05, RippeR

There's a large terrarium, plenty of room! I'll raise the temperature.

"That is, several parallel foam slats are fixed on top of the cage.
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Honestly not full confused.gif

the list of species is available here, although not completely.. http://www.babochka.md/catalogue.html
In general, this is the site of this company. So far, only Caligo, thoas, prepona, euploea, and danais were missing. But there are still some types that are not listed on the site. I just don't know all of them by name, and there are so many of them that I lost count.. In the" Images of Insects " I posted biokritinki, there are some species there, but now it has also been added.

28.02.2007 20:58, Guest

By the way, Romik, you're still doing them right now?!

25.04.2007 23:59, Туманов денис

and the prices offered on this site suit everyone?))) in general, the atlas pupa costs 100 rubles for some people...

26.04.2007 12:02, Romik

By the way, Romik, you're still doing them right now?!

Yes, I do. And with whom do I have the honor to communicate? smile.gif
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26.04.2007 20:02, FILLIN

Who can I buy tropical butterfly pupae from??Pliz respond!)From Moscow

29.04.2007 9:36, таисия

Now in the determinants found, she eats all sorts of low-growing bushes.The caterpillar overwinters.I found such a butterfly at the dachas. And the bear Hera in the forest on the bushes. I also found celandine in the grass. I also saw Hera on the oaks and the red ribbon of the order also on the oaks

01.05.2007 19:57, Tyomochkin

I want to bring out the caterpillars! I don't know whose tracks! One dies after not eating for two days! In general, the faster, the better! Sorry for the quality!!! One was found in a hollow birch tree, the other in a barn. The first wintered, the second crawled, and burrows into the ground, it seems to want to pupate. They are different! Found in Kashira
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01.05.2007 20:14, omar

This is a caterpillar scoop. Something like winter wheat. Try offering a range of gentle herbaceous plants. Most likely, polyphages.
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01.05.2007 20:16, Tyomochkin

Offered a lot of grass of all kinds and leaves of trees! Don't eat! Strange, it winters in a closed hollow of a birch tree, and does not eat leaves and dust! Well plz, what kind is it? I live in Moscow. Cereals where to get?!

This post was edited by Tyomochkin - 05/01/2007 20: 24

01.05.2007 20:27, omar

They shouldn't eat trash, IMHO. Try dandelion leaves, different cereals. Sorry, I do beetles, I'm not good at scoops. And the one that wants to bury itself, most likely, will not pupate, but just sit underground during the day. Try to give her some more cereal roots.
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01.05.2007 20:29, omar

So, there are enough cereals in Moscow. Only, of course, not on the lawn, but somewhere in the Narvite ravine.

01.05.2007 20:30, Tyomochkin

Yes... Yes, tomorrow I think will not live alone! Yes, and I'll hardly find a ravine!

01.05.2007 20:31, omar

See what the winter scoop eats. The caterpillar is similar.
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02.05.2007 14:32, Tyomochkin

[Mdaaa... In general, the caterpillar that died pupated! (see photo) Can you determine what kind of pupa!? Here is another design I came up with from some constructor. Very convenient! (see photo) And another question: won't photographing the caterpillar have a negative impact?
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02.05.2007 14:58, omar

I think you will not jinx it with a camerasmile.gif, they are not afraid to take pictures of infants lol.gif

05.05.2007 8:07, Pavel Morozov

It'll come out in three weeks, then we'll see.

09.05.2007 7:49, RippeR

it would not be bad if the structure was closed, otherwise you never know..
I have a high plstmass box, where I put a napkin on the bottom, and also on the wall, pulling the edge out, forming a wall for straightening.. Already perfectly brought out 1 hamearis lucina, now I expect a pigeon

By the way, does anyone have any thoughts about a pigeon that has a green burr and a black pupa with a white spot on its back and white sides on its belly??? I didn't find it on leps..

09.05.2007 8:54, Tyomochkin

The design is interesting! Haven't you watched it here?
http://atlaskoch.narod.ru/

15.05.2007 21:32, Tyomochkin

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Here! Will you be able to determine it? Photo golnyak, I know!

24.05.2007 21:18, Tyomochkin

Here I found the caterpillar Cosmia trapezina. I read in the qualifiers that she weaves a cocoon on the ground. I've never dealt with cocoons. Do I need to help the future butterfly get out of the cocoon? (Cut it somehow? When, what, and how?)

24.05.2007 21:57, omar

You don't have to do anything. The main thing is that the land is sufficiently loose.

28.05.2007 14:48, Tyomochkin

A little off topic, but I didn't want to create a new one. the topic. What kind of earth (what kind of humidity...) Do you need a Cosmia trapezina caterpillar to create a cocoon?

This post was edited by Tyomochkin - 05/28/2007 14: 56

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