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05.09.2016 16:30, Alexandr Zhakov

Neither what nor where to transfer is not necessary.
This is also an opinion and it must also be respected! smile.gif
But seriously, the question is much deeper. And posts about the development of a particular species are quite appropriate both in topics about expeditions in the areas where this species is collected, and in topics about the taxonomic group family, subfamily, etc.
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=184403&st=100
But it is not quite appropriate in topics where breeding conditions are considered, such as http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...view=getnewpost

Therefore, each author decides where to put the photo. Well, if it puts it in the wrong place at all, then the moderator can move it or delete it.
Now let everything remain as it is, and in the future take it as a good tone to put a few photos in the topic about expeditions, and follow the link in the taxonomic topics if there are any. smile.gif
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05.09.2016 20:50, andr_mih

  Neither what nor where to transfer is not necessary.
This is also an opinion and it must also be respected! smile.gif
But seriously, the question is much deeper. And posts about the development of a particular species are quite appropriate both in topics about expeditions in the areas where this species is collected, and in topics about the taxonomic group family, subfamily, etc.
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=184403&st=100
But it is not quite appropriate in topics where breeding conditions are considered, such as http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...view=getnewpost

Therefore, each author decides where to put the photo. Well, if it puts it in the wrong place at all, then the moderator can move it or delete it.
Now let everything remain as it is, and in the future take it as a good tone to put a few photos in the topic about expeditions, and follow the link in the taxonomic topics if there are any. smile.gif

I respect your opinion, and you too for the company beer.gif
But the topic of breeding butterflies should not be empty!
You look through it, there are also some questions... no answers frown.gif
And who is going to search for answers on preimaginals in the topic about the Ministry of Defense?
Yes, no one but Fedor, I assure you!

05.09.2016 22:06, Alexandr Zhakov

I respect your opinion, and you too for the company beer.gif
But the topic of breeding butterflies should not be empty!
You look through it, there are also some questions... no answers frown.gif
And who is going to search for answers on preimaginals in the topic about the Ministry of Defense?
No one but Fyodor, I assure you!

What makes Gennadich unique, well, how can I explain it to you, You are not in the topic, very high-quality photos of all the preimaginal stages of development of rare butterfly species, for often we see here what no one else has seen, in the Palearctic smile.gifonly a few people who are capable of this, and you want to put these photos in the topic, where do students ask what to feed a furry caterpillar? Cram it in, and immediately the topic "Moscow and the Moscow region" will lose more than one page and unique photos that are the pride of the Moscow region. smile.gif
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05.09.2016 22:11, Vlad Proklov

I'll just add that it's more convenient for me personally to watch Gennadich's posts in this topic.
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05.09.2016 22:28, insectamo

Vlad, similarly.

andr_mih, I believe that before transferring, you need to create a poll with voting .

06.09.2016 9:52, Pavel Morozov

I support the opinion of both Aleksandrov and Vladislav.
Nothing to vote on.
Was there a trip to Lishnyagi? was.
What was the purpose/objectives of the trip? were.

a photo essay of the development cycle of a particular species, the preimaginal data of which were collected in this place, is not just a trip report, but a report that is BETTER than just a description of the trip.
I hope, Andrey Gennadyevich, that it will come to publishing a GOOD full-fledged guide with your photos.

If you open new topics in this way, then you can get confused.
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06.09.2016 12:23, Victor Gazanchidis

I'll support Pavel. And if you really want to clean up something and move it, then I suggest doing it with kilotons of nonsense, which some participants have spread here. I mean discussions about Russia, Ukraine, prices for peaches, the weather in Perm in winter, headaches and nausea, nanophotos and other general health topics.
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06.09.2016 13:50, Ilia Ustiantcev

I'll support Pavel. And if you really want to clean up something and move it, then I suggest doing it with kilotons of nonsense, which some participants have spread here. I mean discussions about Russia, Ukraine, prices for peaches, the weather in Perm in winter, headaches and nausea, nanophotos and other general health topics.
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06.09.2016 15:15, Pavel Morozov

So nonsense in topics about reports is very valuable because it does not allow you to accumulate a huge number of photos on each page)) If you remove it, it will take a long time to load. Well, in other topics, yes, it doesn't belong.

Ilya, better pictures.

But to make them open faster, it would be a good idea to put smaller photos. A higher-resolution photo could be sent to anyone with the author's consent.

And just "delov"
Will add: sometimes such a photo is posted-oyoy. Everything is blurry, no editing, and the size is not compressed.

This post was edited by Morozzz - 06.09.2016 15: 20

06.09.2016 15:39, vafdog

  Neither what nor where to transfer is not necessary.
This is also an opinion and it must also be respected! smile.gif
But seriously, the question is much deeper. And posts about the development of a particular species are quite appropriate both in topics about expeditions in the areas where this species is collected, and in topics about the taxonomic group family, subfamily, etc.
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=184403&st=100
But it is not quite appropriate in topics where breeding conditions are considered, such as http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...view=getnewpost

Therefore, each author decides where to put the photo. Well, if it puts it in the wrong place at all, then the moderator can move it or delete it.
Now let everything remain as it is, and in the future take it as a good tone to put a few photos in the topic about expeditions, and follow the link in the taxonomic topics if there are any. smile.gif



So I had in mind what to transfer/duplicate in the appropriate topics of the section Images of insects.
And if there is no topic for some lipids, then create and further develop it.

Then the forum will have a database: you are interested in leaf wrappers, you open a topic, and there, in addition to photos of butterflies themselves in nature/impaled, there are also life cycles. And if they, pictures of cycles, are here, then no one will guess that they even exist. IMHO.

This post was edited by vafdog - 06.09.2016 15: 43
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06.09.2016 15:42, insectamo

Pash, a good tone won't work here. Many participants have repeatedly asked to crop photos to the size that would fit on one computer screen, but the authors still sculpt photos that could fit only on the screen for night fishing. Therefore, the question here is no longer a good tone, but a ban on forum settings for posting large images.
Either upload thumbnails with a link to the original image, or the images placed should not exceed the size of 800 on the large side.
But this is a question for the administration.

06.09.2016 15:48, insectamo

So I had in mind what to transfer/duplicate in the appropriate topics of the section Images of insects.
And if there is no topic for some lipids, then create and further develop it.

A few years ago, I suggested creating a gallery on the forum, as it is organized, for example, on lepiforum. But, as I was told then, there is no technical possibility for this. And what is currently happening in the images, except for "a bunch of small" - you can't call it anything else.

06.09.2016 16:03, Alexandr Zhakov

A few years ago, I suggested creating a gallery on the forum, as it is organized, for example, on lepiforum. But, as I was told then, there is no technical possibility for this. And what is currently happening in the images, except for "a bunch of small" - you can't call it anything else.

www.lepiforum.de. this is a site where there is a forum, even two. One is for identifying butterflies and caterpillars, the other is like forwarding reports with photos of certain widows, biotopes, etc. A whole bunch of moderators choose photos to add to the species gallery. Moderators can also upload their photos directly to the gallery. bypassing the forums.
Making a gallery the other way around in the forum is really difficult, and it doesn't quite meet the goals and objectives of the forum.
Pyotr Khramov suggested uploading photos to his website https://insecta.pro/ru, where all insects are currently represented. But there are not many applicants.

06.09.2016 16:47, insectamo

If desired, the opportunity could be found.
Despite the fact that the gallery does not meet the goals and objectives (which is a pity), there is still a whole section with images, which is periodically updated, but is in disarray, although it is divided into separate topics.
Conclusion: forum participants have a need for a gallery, but the forum has no interest in a gallery.
A paradox, damn it!

06.09.2016 19:33, Oleg Nikolsky

Many complaints can be made to the forums :( . If the administrator ever gets around to fixing or improving something, it would be a good idea to make the "Search in topic" option work at the bottom left of the page. Without this, it is difficult to find anything on a particular forum, especially where the number of pages exceeds several dozen.
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06.09.2016 21:25, Barnaba

I'm a disinterested person here, I don't deal with butterflies, but I regularly look at the relevant reports of uv. Gennadich out of pure curiosity. And it seems very important that this extremely valuable, in many ways unique information is not lost and can be found by interested consumers. And with almost no working content search and an abundance of pages in the "Reports" section, this is difficult to do. Therefore, I consider it a sound idea to allocate this and similar information in a separate section. Apparently, this is easier than getting the search to work. In addition to search, the Forum has many other problems, mainly with the structure of the material and navigation, which may be difficult to solve at the current level on the existing engine.
But in this case, I don't really understand why so many copies are broken. What prevents you, if you have characters who are ready to do this, from duplicating (NOT REMOVING, but leaving in the reports) all (or as many as possible) posts about the development cycles of butterflies in a separate topic " Reproduction and development of Lepidoptera "(or something else)? You can close these topics for further discussion and attach them with a paper clip at the top, and allow the discussion in other posts in the section. You can leave the help section at all and fill it up manually from other topics. This activity may be slow or irregular, but it will still be better than nothing.
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07.09.2016 13:31, Bad Den

What prevents you, if you have characters who are ready to do this, from duplicating (NOT REMOVING, but leaving in the reports) all (or as many as possible) posts about the development cycles of butterflies in a separate topic " Reproduction and development of Lepidoptera "(or something else)? You can close these topics for further discussion and attach them with a paper clip at the top, and allow the discussion in other posts in the section. You can leave the help section at all and fill it up manually from other topics. This activity may be slow or irregular, but it will still be better than nothing.

Technically, as far as I can see, this (duplication) should be done manually by the author of the message (he wrote a message in one of the topics about reports, published favorites or all photos with corresponding comments in the topic with images of the desired taxon.). All I can do is move messages to a different topic.

07.09.2016 22:40, andr_mih

Dudes, harosh market.
I don't even have user privileges, let alone moderator privileges. Why are you voting here? No one is going to move anyone anywhere beer.gif
I'm withdrawing my offer, since everything is so complicated here.
Good luck with your further entomological research!
Your Mikhailenko A. P.

07.09.2016 23:13, Vlad Proklov

Dudes, harosh market.
I don't even have user privileges, let alone moderator privileges. Why are you voting here? No one is going to move anyone anywhere beer.gif
I'm withdrawing my offer, since everything is so complicated here.
Good luck with your further entomological research!
Your Mikhailenko A. P.

Andrey, what's stopping you from registering properly? confused.gif

08.09.2016 19:52, andr_mih

Andrey, what's stopping you from registering properly? confused.gif

Vlad, hismile.gif, why didn't you buy an elephant before the auction?
It is profitable, convenient and pritizhno!

08.09.2016 20:41, Andrey Ponomarev

Technically, as far as I can see, this (duplication) should be done manually by the author of the message (he wrote a message in one of the topics about reports, published favorites or all photos with corresponding comments in the topic with images of the desired taxon.). All I can do is move messages to a different topic.

smile.gif I'm not going to transfer the guys and even more so duplicate them in other topics.
And in general, what does it mean to write a fishing report or lay out the development cycle of a butterfly, has anyone thought about it?
1 Photo
2 Photo processing.
3 Reduce the size of the photo.
4 It's all worth the time.
You can count the number of people who write reports on your fingers, and there are many times more people who read them.
Hence the question, do I need it ?

Sincerely, A. G. P.

The post was edited by Gennadich - 08.09.2016 23: 13
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09.09.2016 23:39, Bad Den

I don't even have user privileges

I thought it was a right, not a privilege...

10.09.2016 2:48, Vlad Proklov

Vlad, hismile.gif, why didn't you buy an elephant before the auction?
It is profitable, convenient and pritizhno!

Hi there =)
I don't need an elephant, so I didn't buy one.
And a full-fledged registration on the forum, which you read on a regular basis-gives you the right to also write on your own behalf, post photos/files, etc . - that is, to fully participate.
Moreover, this is a completely free, simple procedure. You mentioned that you have a very antediluvian computer - I will not advise you to buy a newer computer-on a visit where-thread register and you will be happy! =)

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This post was edited by kotbegemot - 10.09.2016 03: 08

10.09.2016 13:00, andr_mih

Hi there =)
I don't need an elephant, so I didn't buy one.
And a full-fledged registration on the forum, which you read on a regular basis-gives you the right to also write on your own behalf, post photos/files, etc . - that is, to fully participate.
Moreover, this is a completely free, simple procedure. You mentioned that you have a very antediluvian computer - I will not advise you to buy a newer computer-on a visit where-thread register and you will be happy! =)

I can't go on a visit, Vlad sorry smile.gif
Nevchem, bast shoes have been rubbed for a long time already weep.gif
Why do you need registration? I don't seem to hide my real name very much-I'll tell you if they ask smile.gif
You better ask the moderators of neighboring branches, why they have already banned me from under the guest, crook-wings that I did not correctly confused.gif

25.09.2016 20:07, Бабистр

I will try to make a small change in the latest messages and change the topic by posting my simple and banal report. smile.gif So, on September 24 and 25, Istra district. The weather is absolutely not conducive to communication with Lepidoptera, but they did not disappoint. On the first day, in rare clearings, single admirals flashed by, and rutabagas and turnips, frozen from the cold, swayed in the wind on the somersault and clover. Late in the afternoon, a lone turnip was found on the rotten apples laid out specifically for the bait of nymphalids, which so spent the night on them. On Sunday morning, there was a half-hour break in the clouds, and I took advantage of it to drive to the nearest clover field. There periodically flashed from the flowers of whiteflies, including a fairly large number of meadow yolks, relatively fresh. There were many caterpillars: turnips were finishing their development on cabbage, raspberry cocoonworms and dipper bears of various species were running along the roads. In general, keeping in mind the weather of recent days, the weekend was a success! smile.gif

This post was edited by Babistr - 25.09.2016 20: 08

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25.09.2016 22:50, Zhuk

Lenkovo( Ruzsky district), today.
I was walking in the vicinity of the dacha, suddenly I see a caterpillar sitting, a cocoonworm or something, I came closer and oops, Lemonia dumi!
We will conclude that this is a very unexpected find.

A female butterfly came out today. I missed the exit moment, so for some reason I didn't spread my wings. Yes, and there is no possibility to pheromone... Both cool and offensive.

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26.09.2016 22:39, Василий пенза

Can you find out more about the care that was given to the lemonia pupa? It's just that I also found a goose, grew it up, pupated it, took care of it as best I could, but it died. It's a shame and a shame, but I don't want to repeat such mistakes in the future, so I'm curious

26.09.2016 23:00, Zhuk

Can you find out more about the care that was given to the lemonia pupa? It's just that I also found a goose, grew it up, pupated it, took care of it as best I could, but it died. It's a shame and a shame, but I don't want to repeat such mistakes in the future, so I'm curious

Most likely, you have over-dried it. It needs a very humid environment. I kept the pupa in a container with moist soil at the bottom, periodically sprayed with water, it is not afraid of mold. I kept the container on the balcony.
The butterfly formed in the pupa by the end of August and was in this form until that time, did not move at all, I already thought that it had reclined.
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27.09.2016 6:43, okoem

Can you find out more about the care that was given to the lemonia pupa? It's just that I also found a goose, grew it up, pupated it, took care of it as best I could, but it died. It's a shame and a shame, but I don't want to repeat such mistakes in the future, so I'm curious

Errors may have occurred while the caterpillar was still being maintained. The pupa in this case turns out to be frail and dies.

27.09.2016 10:03, Ilia Ustiantcev

Errors may have occurred while the caterpillar was still being maintained. The pupa in this case turns out to be frail and dies.


I also once found a large lemony caterpillar crawling on the ground (i.e., it was ready for pupation), and the pupa then died due to overdrying.

04.10.2016 22:07, Andrey Ponomarev

I spontaneously went to Lishnyagi 2-3. 10. 2016 after looking at the forecast beforehand. Shone for two nights.
Day one.
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After I found several of these comrades in the mowing net, I had to use special equipment.
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Naturally, I took a walk to the grotto in the hope of finding Triphosa dubitata.
There is already not a path trampled but a path and dubitat was not there.
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Wintering inhabitants.
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Mantises, mostly females, are plentiful in both green and brown varieties
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The first night is quite warm
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Ascotis selenaria on broom
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04.10.2016 22:29, Andrey Ponomarev

Day two. A warm sunny day, Lemonia dumi not seen.
Pretty pure mother-of-pearl Melitaea sp. flew, but I couldn't catch it, they were too fast.
Mowed down a bunch of tracks.
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The night is already quite cool.
19:30
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The caterpillar Netrocerocora quadrangula was born. During the day, you can mow down the car (next year there should be a lot of butterflies)
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A couple not yet killed in the trash Catocala fraxini
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04.10.2016 22:37, Andrey Ponomarev

Lishnyagi 2-3. 10. 2016
Ah and the that removed already homes.
Grey incomprehensibility
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Nycteola degenerana?
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Cool staff (I won't say what I found)
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Depressaria libanotidella?
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Drypta dentata mowing in the grass at dusk
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This season with departures closed.
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04.10.2016 22:48, Victor Titov

Lishnyagi 2-3. 10. 2016
Cool staff (I won't tell you what I found)

Staff really cool-Dinothenarus pubescens.
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15.10.2016 21:08, Andrey Ponomarev

Moscow, TLCA Park, 15.10.2016
The goal of the expedition is a female Larerannis orthogrammaria.
The expedition team, Elez Andrey Jovovich, Alexander Boldyrev (Insectamo) and myself.
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One copulating pair of Larerannis orthogrammaria was found, and the goal was achieved.
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Then Andrey Yovovich and I found an oak tree with a rotten core from which we picked up a bunch of aurata larvae and some other ones, I don't know which ones, but I took them all for divorce.
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Erannis defoliaria & Operophtera brumata
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Ypsolopha sp. & Operophtera fagata
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Lots of Halyzia sedecimguttata
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In general, not bad walk, the weather is really not so hot, but once even the sun came out.
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15.10.2016 21:19, Vlad Proklov

Test landing =)
Ypsolopha -- ustella.
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16.10.2016 7:49, AGG

please poke your nose mol.gifat how to distinguish brumata/fagata wall.gifespecially since they are usually quite grated frown.gifI have hundreds of brumata and only one copy of E. M. Antonova identified as a fagata, but it is in a deplorable state weep.gif

16.10.2016 14:16, ИНО

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16.10.2016 14:31, Fyodor

Someone posted it on the forum before. Top - brumata, bottom-fagata.

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16.10.2016 18:51, Black Coleopter

  

Have you ever seen a Carabus nemoralis? It is rare in TLCA.

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