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19.06.2018 17:21, maks.malehornov

To answer this question accurately, we need observations from previous years. I have no such observations on this type, since I have not previously met it in the Moscow region. There were only a few trips to the Vladimir region in early July, during which there were also completely flown specimens. This season is quite early, and the species was found in the south of the region, I think it took off quite in time for it.

Yes, Fyodor, this is a great find for the Moscow region! I'm just planning a trip to the red Lighthouse with a friend of ours. I don't want to go fishing as much as I want to see live apollos. However, I must admit that I have never been to those places and do not know exactly where to look for a place. I have planned a route from the Lighthouse to the South-West in the direction of the villages of Bolotsky, Yazykovo and Andreevo, the path will be approximately 20 km. I think with such a route I will see something, although of course the goal is to catch the swallowtail. I wanted it at the end of the month or the beginning of July, but now I think it should be earlier. Fedor, did you take a photo of the sample?

22.06.2018 13:47, Fyodor

Lukhovitsy city district, Beloomut settlement, 19, 21.06.2018:

Total:

Hesperiidae:
Ochlodes sylvanus
Pyrgus malvae
Heteropterus morpheus

Lycaenidae:
Satyrium pruni
Satyrium ilicis
Lycaena dispar
Lycaena alciphron
Lycaena virgaureae
Aricia artaxerxes
Cyaniris semiargus
Plebejus idas

Nymphalidae:
Boloria dia
Boloria euphrosyne
Boloria selene
Argynnis adippe
Argynnis aglaja
Brenthis daphne
Brenthis ino
Issoria lathonia
Limenitis populi
Apatura ilia
Vanessa atalanta
Aglais urticae
Euphydryas maturna
Melitaea athalia
Melitaea aurelia
Melitaea cinxia
Melitaea didyma
Coenonympha arcania
Coenonympha glycerion
Coenonympha pamphilus
Lasiommata maera
Melanargia russiae

Papilionidae:
Parnassius apollo

Pieridae:
Colias myrmidone
Aporia crataegi
Pieris napi
Pieris rapae

Geometridae:
Pseudoterpna pruinata
Lythria cruentaria
Odezia atrata
Ematurga atomaria
Idaea serpentata
Scopula ternata
Rhodostrophia vibicaria

Noctuidae:
Deltote bankiana
Acronicta leporina
Autographa gamma

Erebidae:
Polypogon tentacularia
Atolmis rubricollis
Cybosia mesomella
Coscinia striata
Rhyparia purpurata
Spilosoma lubricipeda

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25.06.2018 22:11, А.Й.Элез

At the request of one of our colleagues, I would like to inform you that on Saturday, June 23, he discovered Parnassius apollo in the Yegoryevsky district of the Moscow region (four males were encountered) and that the next day I checked this point indicated by him and found one fairly fresh male and one splattered non-spawned female.

These findings, and even earlier the epochal findings of T. Fyodor, fully confirm the sober predictions about the rapid penetration of this "sedentary" species into the Moscow region, expressed after the fires of 2010. But I don't know if these findings will convince our population pessimists of something, or if the latter will put them down to the beneficial effect of bans (especially in the zero category), thanks to which for decades no one dared to destroy what was not there in the Moscow region...

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25.06.2018 23:27, zygaena

At the request of one of our colleagues, I would like to inform you that on Saturday, June 23, he discovered Parnassius apollo in the Yegoryevsky district of the Moscow region (four males were encountered) and that the next day I checked this point indicated by him and found one fairly fresh male and one splattered non-spawned female.

These findings, and even earlier the epochal findings of T. Fyodor, fully confirm the sober predictions about the rapid penetration of this "sedentary" species into the Moscow region, expressed after the fires of 2010. But I don't know if these findings will convince our population pessimists of something, or if the latter will put them down to the beneficial effect of bans (especially in the zero category), thanks to which for decades no one dared to destroy what was not there in the Moscow region...

Yes, there is nothing epochal here.There will be an Apollo along all the burning roadsides, as in Vladimirskaya, unless of course summer residents and Novomosk Builders close the fences.The species in the Central River is anthropophilic-on the same upper Kolpi, it is found individually in a natural biotope-a narrow river valley, and on the burns and roadsides of fields, the stonecrop is eaten up to the root, and this is one of the most widespread species.
And as for environmentalists, professional nature guards, political scientists, economists, etc. from under the nails-they also need to eat .Whisk and serve if possible -they'll chew the rest off themselves.
Sorry drunk-nakipelo

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26.06.2018 3:37, А.Й.Элез

What are you doing here?" The Apollons are back in the Moscow region - great! It happened. But it might not have happened. And in the 90 years and swallowtails in the region were a real rarity. I foresee a further blizzard - since they are common in 3-5 points-why protect them?..Bullshit. go spread even more.

There is no need for special foresight even at one point on the planet, because this elementary truth on the forum has already been chewed a hundred times in relation to the class as a whole in connection with protection at the level of individuals. If we are talking about protecting stations, then specifically for the sake of Apollo, this is a double-edged sword: of course, it will not live on solid asphalt, but I do not" foresee further blizzard " like legalizing forest fires for the sake of Apollo at the current stage of anthropogenic development; so we will not return the ancient abundance of the species. But thanks to loggers, the view on huge areas is preserved en masse, and not only in the Lighthouse. Even Elena Mikhailovna, whom you and I have not mentioned for a long time, told me that in our time, when it is customary to fight forest fires, and no one canceled afforestation, the main reserves of survival of the lowland apollo were cuttings, including for the sake of gas and power lines. On the contrary, the conservation regime has already proved itself in the Darwin Nature Reserve, where Apollo is extinct, but I have no doubt that it continues to be faithfully protected...

26.06.2018 17:43, Necrocephalus

I don't mean that. We haven't had an Apollo in almost half a century, despite attempts at artificial introduction. Therefore, to say that it came true, and we, well done, talked about it - it's stupid. Whether someone likes it or not, the view is really plastic and demanding. I don't know if it will be on the roadsides, but I'm not sure. Maybe it will, but not for all and far from all. Whether it is necessary to protect it in places of dense locations - obviously it is necessary. For there are the bourgeoisie guarding it in Europe, and still no one says that this is bullshit, and extreme stupidity. He didn't seem to be excluded from CITES either.

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26.06.2018 19:01, А.Й.Элез

I don't know much about the failure of the only major reintroduction attempt I know of. Maybe you've studied it in more detail? I, for example, do not know what means were used in those very pine forests of the south-west of the PTZ to treat - if they did treat - tar cancer in pines in order to save relict cellerium burs (and there was a rather panicked article about this cancer in the proceedings of the reserve many years ago), whether the forms of treatment of pines were coordinated with entomologists engaged in the restoration of the apollo population (and, on the other hand, whether the latter were interested in parallel pine conservation processes, if any, or whether in Russian the right hand did not know what the left hand was doing), what was the dynamics of the ecological situation downstream of the Oka River from the city, which still remains an industrial center, over the past century, etc.

As for what "we talked" about, "we talked" about the fact that not only half a century, but even a long human life is not yet a period for final conclusions, that all this in the history of an insect species is only moments and that the waves of life are not measured in weeks and months. It was also said that specifically after the fires of 2010, Apollo may repeat its many millennia-long process of settlement in the MO, as there are vast corridors of penetration that are ecologically fully compliant with the requirements of the species and at the same time do not pass from more eastern populations through industrial centers. If at the same time saying that "we" were right is somehow "stupid", well, then let those whose not disinterested population pessimism has once again been sent to the toilet by the facts admire their rightness. It's not the first time they grow stronger when they have them.

The"exactingness" of the species is highly relative, and I even suspect that not everything is known yet about the aspects of this exactingness in apollo. So far, for a species that is not uncommon in habitats in populated areas and above asphalt, I can only firmly vouch for the need for completely general environmental indicators, plus for monophagy. When we know the rest, we will also better understand why reintroduction is being covered somewhere (in a protected area!), somewhere (in thoroughly exploited areas!). the species is thriving, but somewhere it is spreading out along harem corridors and clearings. But it is indisputable that if a "demanding" species exists in nature for many years and at the same time is able - as soon as humanity does not have time to stretch its anthropogenic fire hoses and allows nature to burn huge areas - to repopulate abandoned territories, then this species should be recognized as "really" very plastic. "Whether someone likes it or not," uzun-kulak exists, and this has to be reckoned with.

The experience of "Europe" has nothing to do with the actual protection of the species; since it does not add to what has been said over the years against this, I consider it sufficient to refer to the topic of CC and so on. This slobbery protection is not from the good life of Apollo, but from the fact that the local limitrofs cannot afford Russian forest fire areas and Russian pine clearing areas. And here, for the time being, the forces of nature sometimes make their way. It will be like in Europe, and we will also annually bang the green money for the sake of increasing the number of Apollo from ten to eleven copies per continent. And the "bourgeois" - the same-protect a lot of things and do not consider it "nonsense" , etc., but this is not a reason to change the legislation of the Russian Federation in terms of regulating, say, marriage relations.

So with authorities like burzhuev and CITES - to Penza, and then not to anyone. Protecting the apollo biotopes would be a contradiction in itself. There are no such protection measures as burning and deforestation. And the commandment is a coffin for Apollo. "There are no such orders-to live, surrender to the enemy, have not learned to write, in any army in the world." In the end, all that remains is a good old cop, and that's the whole security mentality. But the protection of Apollo at the level of individuals "in places of dense locations" is a direct road from the Red Lighthouse to the White Pillars.

P.S. Damn, how much more I like to agree with you than to argue...

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27.06.2018 19:49, Necrocephalus

I don't know much about the failure of the only major reintroduction attempt I know of. Maybe you've studied it in more detail? I, for example, do not know what means were used in those very pine forests of the south-west of the PTZ to treat - if they did treat - tar cancer in pines in order to save relict cellerium burs (and there was a rather panicked article about this cancer in the proceedings of the reserve many years ago), whether the forms of treatment of pines were coordinated with entomologists engaged in the restoration of the apollo population (and, on the other hand, whether the latter were interested in parallel pine conservation processes, if any, or whether in Russian the right hand did not know what the left hand was doing), what was the dynamics of the ecological situation downstream of the Oka River from the city, which still remains an industrial center, over the past century, etc.

As for what "we talked" about, "we talked" about the fact that not only half a century, but even a long human life is not yet a period for final conclusions, that all this in the history of an insect species is only moments and that the waves of life are not measured in weeks and months. It was also said that specifically after the fires of 2010, Apollo may repeat its many millennia-long process of settlement in the MO, as there are vast corridors of penetration that are ecologically fully compliant with the requirements of the species and at the same time do not pass from more eastern populations through industrial centers. If at the same time saying that "we" were right is somehow "stupid", well, then let those whose not disinterested population pessimism has once again been sent to the toilet by the facts admire their rightness. It's not the first time they grow stronger when they have them.

The"exactingness" of the species is highly relative, and I even suspect that not everything is known yet about the aspects of this exactingness in apollo. So far, for a species that is not uncommon in habitats in populated areas and above asphalt, I can only firmly vouch for the need for completely general environmental indicators, plus for monophagy. When we know the rest, we will also better understand why reintroduction is being covered somewhere (in a protected area!), somewhere (in thoroughly exploited areas!). the species is thriving, but somewhere it is spreading out along harem corridors and clearings. But it is indisputable that if a "demanding" species exists in nature for many years and at the same time is able - as soon as humanity does not have time to stretch its anthropogenic fire hoses and allows nature to burn huge areas - to repopulate abandoned territories, then this species should be recognized as "really" very plastic. "Whether someone likes it or not," uzun-kulak exists, and this has to be reckoned with.

The experience of "Europe" has nothing to do with the actual protection of the species; since it does not add to what has been said over the years against this, I consider it sufficient to refer to the topic of CC and so on. This slobbery protection is not from the good life of Apollo, but from the fact that the local limitrofs cannot afford Russian forest fire areas and Russian pine clearing areas. And here, for the time being, the forces of nature sometimes make their way. It will be like in Europe, and we will also annually bang the green money for the sake of increasing the number of Apollo from ten to eleven copies per continent. And the "bourgeois" - the same-protect a lot of things and do not consider it "nonsense" , etc., but this is not a reason to change the legislation of the Russian Federation in terms of regulating, say, marriage relations.

So with authorities like burzhuev and CITES - to Penza, and then not to anyone. Protecting the apollo biotopes would be a contradiction in itself. There are no such protection measures as burning and deforestation. And the commandment is a coffin for Apollo. "There are no such orders-to live, surrender to the enemy, have not learned to write, in any army in the world." In the end, all that remains is a good old cop, and that's the whole security mentality. But the protection of Apollo at the level of individuals "in places of dense locations" is a direct road from the Red Lighthouse to the White Pillars.

P.S. Damn, how much more I like to agree with you than to argue...

Oh...Yes, the most ambitious attempt at introduction was in the PTZ. Of course, I don't know about the interaction between the characters involved in anti-cancer treatments and those who led the reintroduction process. But in the same 80-90 years, in the wake of Gorbachev's greening, there were some enthusiasts who, even if with small forces, tried to import and produce Apollons in suitable biotopes - but, to their frustration, this was not crowned with anything, as we see. Obviously, Apollos are still not the same as, say, an unpaired bird, from whose accidentally lost individuals it began its victorious march across the United States. And not even the same as urticaria or Inachis io, or whatever it's called now.
As for the waves of life, your timing considerations about the half-century period of time in relation to apollo also seem unfair to me. The species does not have long-term dominant stages of development, like thorn saturnia or steppe tolstun. Therefore, the half-century absence of such a species hardly fits into your theory. On the contrary, it is a very illustrative example of its capriciousness and dissatisfaction, again, with attempts to introduce it to basically suitable (well, in most visible parameters, including the food base) development conditions.
The"exactingness" of the species is highly relative, and I even suspect that not everything is known yet about the aspects of this exactingness in apollo.
Golden words. As we know from Karl Marx, everything in this world is relative, except pregnancy. And yes, of course we don't, and since it's still hidden from us, I'll insist that the view is demanding and non-plastic.
So far, for a species that is not uncommon in habitats in populated areas and above asphalt, I can only firmly vouch for the need for completely general environmental indicators, plus for monophagy. When we know the rest, we will also better understand why reintroduction is being covered somewhere (in a protected area!), somewhere (in thoroughly exploited areas!). the species is thriving, but somewhere it is spreading out along harem corridors and clearings.
If in some places, for example, in one city park in Ulyanovsk there is a long-term population of apollons, it does not mean that in another park in the same city it will also be there - on the contrary, it is not there, although it seems that nothing outwardly prevents this. And very few cities in Russia can actually boast of apollons over asphalt.
But it is indisputable that if a "demanding" species exists in nature for many years and at the same time is able - as soon as humanity does not have time to stretch its anthropogenic fire hoses and allows nature to burn huge areas - to repopulate abandoned territories, then this species should be recognized as "really" very plastic. "Whether someone likes it or not," uzun-kulak exists, and this has to be reckoned with.
Are you saying that if the species is still not extinct in principle, like the dinosaurs, this is an indicator of its plasticity?! Uh-oh...

And the "bourgeois" - the same-protect a lot of things and do not consider it "nonsense" , etc., but this is not a reason to change the legislation of the Russian Federation in terms of regulating, say, marriage relations.
Well, I didn't expect you to. Let's not mix the warm stuff with the sour stuff, though. In this case, we will not involve nature conservation in legitimizing perversions and destructive debauchery. But a very sound basis for environmental protection measures was formed in Europe long before the current liberal madness in the brain and the beginning of the politicization of the" green " movement with the senseless cutting of funds received for these purposes.
Protecting the apollo biotopes would be a contradiction in itself. There are no such protection measures as burning and deforestation. And the commandment is a coffin for Apollo. "There are no such orders-to live, surrender to the enemy, have not learned to write, in any army in the world."
This is stupid. No one calls for cutting down and burning out. Although, I think, this is already clear to everyone. Apollons don't just live on fire. Why are you writing this? And in these places it can and should be protected.

01.07.2018 23:08, А.Й.Элез

apollos are still not the same as, say, an unpaired bird, from whose accidentally lost individuals it began its victorious march across the United States. And not even the same as urticaria or Inachis io, or whatever it's called now. As for the waves of life, your timing considerations about the half-century period of time in relation to apollo also seem unfair to me. The species does not have long-term dominant stages of development, like thorn saturnia or steppe tolstun. Therefore, the half-century absence of such a species hardly fits into your theory.

It fits, if you do not invent strict deadlines for the waves of life, especially during the time of the anthropogenic press, which no Chetverikov dreamed of. Before turning into garbage even in Moscow in the early 1990s, xanthomelas, if I'm not mistaken, has not been celebrated in the capital since 1947, and in the region (and not only) was a huge rarity. Nikitsky also saw the last "native" Apollo in the PTZ somewhere in the mid-1970s. So, the failure of xanthomelas is longer than that of Apollo, but for some reason you remembered not her, but urticaria. But xanthomelas is similar to Apollo not only by the absence of long-term diapauses, but also by its strict monovolticity. But after almost half a century of absence, it has reached several years of mass popularity, and after that it has already been common for twenty years. So you should not impose time patterns on the waves of life, they are the whole ecology of the species.

And yes, of course we don't, and since it's still hidden from us, I'll insist that the view is demanding and non-plastic.

It is considered bad form to talk about population decline in the absence of data on it. Similarly, to use ignorance in favor of protection, i.e. to promote the presumption of protectability for everything that has not been exhaustively studied, is to replace the CC with a cadastre. This has long been appreciated on the forum (and does not even climb into the gate of the CC), I will not repeat myself.

If in some places, for example, in one city park in Ulyanovsk there is a long-term population of apollons, it does not mean that in another park in the same city it will also be there - on the contrary, it is not there, although it seems that nothing outwardly prevents this. And very few cities in Russia can actually boast of apollons over asphalt.

. It's not a big deal. Apollo and asphalt will live without each other.

Are you saying that if the species is still not extinct in principle, like the dinosaurs, this is an indicator of its plasticity?!

If you're talking about the survival of the fittest (and for the" demanding " this is true three times), then after Darwin, it's not just me "I want to say". And there is no other meaning to be found in my remark.

we will not involve nature conservation in legitimizing perversions and destructive debauchery.

I do not know what is meant by "interweaving"in this case. And you set the basis of the analogy yourself-motivation by the example of the bourgeoisie. If they protect us, then we need to (this was not your only argument, but it was also there). We don't need to; I've shown you exactly why, and you haven't specifically objected.

This is stupid. No one calls for cutting down and burning out... Apollons don't just live on fire... And in these places it can and should be protected.

And I say that since such calls are impossible, there is no need to do I won't say what, since for our apollo the best biotope is the result of a fire or deforestation, and not a commandment. This is precisely what makes it "demanding". My colleague was right about Colpey and the Lighthouse. I know you don't take the easy way out. But, in my opinion, it would be foolish just to protect apollo "in such places" as around Kolpi and similar places in the central regions, where he is only on a fart couple and can get by when there are huge areas of clearings with a pine tree growth, where he lives en masse, spitting on the lack of cops and abundance entomologists...

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17.07.2018 22:14, Fyodor

Serebryanyye Prudy City District, Serebryanyye Prudy settlement area (1) – Lishnyagi village area (2), 14-16. 07. 2018

Total:

Hesperiidae:
Erynnis tages (2)
Carcharodus alceae (2)
Muschampia tessellum (2)
Thymelicus lineola (1), (2)
Thymelicus sylvestris (2)

Lycaenidae:
Lycaena alciphron (2)
Lycaena tityrus (2)
Lycaena virgaureae (1), (2)
Aricia eumedon (2)
Celastrina argiolus (1), (2)
Cupido argiades (1), (2)
Cupido minimus (2)
Cyaniris semiargus (2)
Glaucopsyche alexis (1), (2)
Polyommatus coridon (2)
Polyommatus daphnis (2)
Phengaris alcon (2)
Phengaris teleius (2)
Satyrium spini (2)

Nymphalidae:
Argynnis adippe (2)
Argynnis aglaja (2)
Argynnis paphia (2)
Brenthis ino (2)
Boloria dia (2)
Issoria lathonia (2)
Limenitis camilla (1), (2)
Limenitis populi (2)
Melitaea britomartis (1), (2)
Araschnia levana (1), (2)
Polygonia c-album (1)
Aglais io (1), (2)
Aglais urticae (2)
Vanessa atalanta (1)
Aphantopus hyperantus (1), (2)
Maniola jurtina (1), (2)
Hyponephele lycaon (1), (2)
Coenonympha arcania (2)
Coenonympha glycerion (1), (2)
Coenonympha pamphilus (2)
Melanargia galathea (2)
Melanargia russiae (2)

Papilionidae:
Papilio machaon (1), (2)

Pieridae:
Leptidea sp. (2)
Gonepteryx rhamni (1), (2)
Colias hyale (1), (2)
Colias myrmidone (2)
Pieris brassicae (1), (2)
Pieris napi (1), (2)
Pieris rapae (2)
Pontia edusa (2)

Geometridae:
Pseudoterpna pruinata (2)
Thalera fimbrialis (2)
Camptogramma bilineata (1)
Eupithecia succenturiata (1)
Phibalapteryx virgata (2)
Scotopteryx chenopodiata (2)
Xanthorhoe quadrifasiata (1)
Idaea rufaria (2)
Idaea serpentata (2)
Timandra comae (2)
Abraxas sylvata (2)
Alcis repandata (1)
Ematurga atomaria (1), (2)
Chiasmia clathrata (2)
Isturgia arenacearia (1)
Hypoxystis pluviaria (1), (2)

Erebidae:
Herminia tarsicrinalis (2)
Euclidia glyphica (2)
Eilema lutarella (2)
Amata nigricornis (2)

Noctuidae:
Acontia trabealis (2)
Tyta luctuosa (2)
Heliothis adaucta (2)
Autographa gamma (1)
Dichagyris signifera (1)
Mythimna ferrago (1)

Zygaenidae:
Adscita statices (2)
Jordanita chloros (2)
Zygaena angelicae (2)
Zygaena ephialtes (2)
Zygaena filipendulae (1), (2)
Zygaena carniolica (2)
Zygaena centaureae (2)
Zygaena lonicerae (2)
Zygaena loti (2)
Zygaena minos (1), (2)
Zygaena viciae (1), (2)

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19.07.2018 19:24, Бабистр

I drove to Luzhki in Serpukhov district today. Despite the overcast weather and the occasional drizzle, I met a lot of species!

Thanks to Fyodor for identifying the species in the photo

List of encountered species:
Adscita statices
Aglais io
Aglais urticae
Aphantopus hyperantus
Araschnia levana
Argynnis adippe
Argynnis paphia
Celastrina argiolus
Coenonympha arcania
Coenonympha glycerion
Colias hyale
Colias myrmidone
Cupido minimus
Erebia aethiops
Gonepteryx rhamni
Hyponephele lycaon
Leptidea sp.
Lycaena phlaeas
Lycaena tityrus
Lycaena virgaureae
Maniola jurtina
Melanargia russiae
Melitaea didyma
Melitaea phoebe
Papilio machaon
Pieris napi
Pontia edusa
Satyrium spini
Thymelicus lineola
Zygaena filipendulae
Zygaena viciae

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28.07.2018 12:14, Sergey Didenko

In the Moscow region now the most frequent katokala-electa, and so of course very poor in the MO on katokala-and the number and variety. On the bait goes confidently. We also have a metalovidka khrizon-in the last night we caught three pieces with Gennadich. In general, very few butterflies come to light, although they are not bad. Gennadich will write a good report with high-quality photos, and I attach one photo with the catch of last night for priming

Yes, during the day crowds of admirals, peacock eyes, and most importantly mourners come to bait, which turns out to be also a lot, but on the bait

However, since the fraxinii have already flown, we can say that the summer is almost over