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Dracus, 05.10.2005 16:25

What do you recommend reading about the biology and ecology of polar (tundra) bats?

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05.10.2005 20:33, Насекомовед

I don't recall any special works from the Russian literature. There are several in Yakutia, and even then in the south, and, moreover, mostly qualifiers: Karelina R. I., 1974. To the Orthoptera fauna South Yakutia. // Tr. VEO, vol. 57, pp. 112-122. - Karelina R. I., 1994. Determinant of straight-winged birds of Yakutia. Yakutsk, pp. 1-52. - E. F. Miram, 1933. Orthoptera Yakutia / / Opr. on the fauna of the USSR, izd. zool. Institute of the USSR Academy of Sciences, 12: 1-17.

In principle, the fauna is poor.

06.10.2005 9:05, Дзанат

I have a monograph "The Siberian Filly" by M. G. Sergeev, L. M. Kopaneva and others,
which I can give you to read.

06.10.2005 10:09, Dracus

to Dzanat

Thank you so much for the suggestion. And in what form can you send it (if it's a book directly, then write to my soap, where and when it will be convenient for you)?

to Insect expert

Thank you for your links.

06.10.2005 10:40, PVOzerski

Yes, not that they were bypassed... And who can live there? Tetrix fuliginosa, maybe Melanoplus frigidus, yes, by some miracle, some Podismopsis. Regarding the distribution of T. fuliginosa , in my opinion, the collection sites were indicated in the monograph of L. I. Podgornaya.

06.10.2005 10:47, PVOzerski

Here, I found something on the Internet:
http://nature.zabspu.ru/Insects/Orthoptera...us_frigidus.htm
There are at least some indications of the gathering places.

As for Podismopsis , I caught P. poppiusi about 20 years ago in the north of Karelia, near the Arctic Circle (the mouth of the Keret River). But there were meadow-type stations, not tundra. Nearby, on Sredny Island, there was also Tetrix bipunctata, but, again, on the edge of a pine forest.

06.10.2005 12:49, Дзанат

I found it too.
http://agroatlas.spb.ru/pests/Aeropus_sibiricus_ru.htm

06.10.2005 13:01, Насекомовед

Regarding tetrixes near the Arctic Circle - I caught from the MSU BBS (near Poyakonda) - T. fuliginosa (recorded a vibration signal), T. subulata, T. bipunctata. Other orthopteroids, except Metrioptera sp. (aff. bicolor) I didn't see it.

Here is still remembered (from their stocks give smile.gif), Yakovlev E. B., Lobkova M. P., 1989. Insects. Animal world of Karelia. Petrozavodsk: Karelia, pp. 1-231. (the following species are listed: Blatta orientalis, Ectobius sylvestris, E. lapponicus, Tettigonia cantans, Decticus verrucivorus, Acheta domesticus, Omocestus viridulus, Stethophyma grossum, Chorthippus albomarginatus, Euthystira brachyptera, Podisma pedestris, Forficula auricularia, Labidura riparia, Labia minor).

This post was edited by Bolivar - 06.10.2005 13: 06

06.10.2005 13:04, PVOzerski

Regarding Metrioptera , I saw M. brachyptera in someone's student fees, allegedly all from the same Secondary School (Loukhsky district of Karelia, MBS LSU). But I didn't find it there myself, and I can't rule out a confused label. About B. bicolor-I strongly doubt it. It doesn't exist in the Northwest either.

06.10.2005 13:25, PVOzerski

And with links about Karelia - it's all great, only a significant part of it (even a large one) is not the Far North, but just the taiga zone.

06.10.2005 14:39, Насекомовед

2 PVOzerski

I absolutely agree, but the Arctic Circle borders on Karelia, and the topic is about polar insects, and therefore these works will be suitable for clarifying the species composition.

06.10.2005 14:47, Насекомовед

2 PVOzerski

"No "and" did not catch" are completely different things. Recently, I have become convinced that it is impossible to say unequivocally "there is no such species in this region". In recent years, there has been a massive migration of many insect species from the south to the north. Poecilimon intermedius and Phaneroptera falcata are no longer uncommon in Moscow (and this is in the parks of the city itself). In addition, I wrote "similar" to bicolor, but did not claim that it is.

06.10.2005 14:54, Dracus

Let me digress a little and ask: where in Moscow did you meet Phaneroptera falcata? To be honest, I can hardly imagine plate-wingers even in the south of the Arctic Circle.

Now a question on the topic: are there any experimental data on the diet of sexual straight-wings, in particular, the diet of sexual locusts and competition between them (for example, Melanoplus and Podismopsis); the presence of predatory long-whiskers in the tundra and their impact on the number of populations of sexual locusts?

06.10.2005 15:34, Helene

Let me digress a little and ask: where in Moscow did you meet Phaneroptera falcata? To be honest, I can hardly imagine plate-wingers even in the south of the Arctic Circle.

In the south of M. O.-lives even as. I even took a picture of it there last summer, but it didn't work out very well (I'm embarrassed to scan and post it, but there's no doubt about it). Not to say that it is a common species, but it occurs regularly in all the yugas of the region. And the isophy (I don't know exactly which one-the copy is kept at home, although the color is completely lost) I collected in the Podolsk district. In Moscow (in the southern part - Brateevo or Chertanovo, the valley of the Yazvenka River), there were some impoverished steppe communities in the past, and southern species are found there (although I only know about butterflies). So why shouldn't the fanopter be there?

06.10.2005 15:49, Насекомовед

2 Helene

For the Moscow region, most likely, we are talking about either Poecilimon intermedius (parthenogenetic), or Barbitistes constrictus, and not about isophy.

2 Dracus

In the anniversary collection of the MOIP, which will be published in a month or two, there will be a note on this topic (authors O. S. Korsunovskaya and R. D. Zhantiev) about the distribution of southern species in Moscow.

06.10.2005 15:55, Helene

2 Helene

For the Moscow region, most likely, we are talking about either Poecilimon intermedius (parthenogenetic), or Barbitistes constrictus, and not about isophy.


I'll have to give you this little copy sometime, even if it's unenviable... In my opinion, isofia, but since I am not an orthopterologist, it remains to be glad that I collected smile.gifthem in the south, like phaneropters, not exclusive, but in the Podolsk district I did not expect to meet such a thing, so I took it. Since we are both Muscovites, it is possible to meet in principle.

06.10.2005 15:59, Helene

And with links about Karelia - it's all great, only a significant part of it (even a large one) is not the Far North, but just the taiga zone.

The Northwest is a strange place. My friend was doing a student internship in the Kandalaksha Nature Reserve. His impressions of the local entomofauna - galimaya Moscow region, i.e. its northern forest part. Then I saw the lists from the same place - yes, it doesn't even look like North at all. So you are right, in Karelia, the idea of polar bats, perhaps, can not be made up... yes.gif

07.10.2005 9:38, PVOzerski

Barbitistes constrictus, by the way, goes very far to the north, only rarely comes across. For about 15 years of my regular visits to the Novgorod region (Okulovsky and Borovichi districts - in general, the north of the Valdai upland, taiga-type forests, and whether "pseudo" or not-I can't judge), this beast came to me 3 times. Given its inability to fly, it is unlikely that these are migrants. Most likely, it just sits high on the pines and occasionally falls out of there. And there are literary references for more northern points of the Novgorod region (Bey-Bienko gave from the Torbino station of the St. Petersburg - Moscow railway - this is 40 kilometers north). Maybe it goes even further, but we can't rule it out.

More about the Siberian filly. With all due respect to the compilers of the electronic agricultural atlas (I came across this project somewhat from the other side, but tightly), the given area is somehow confusing. So, in the North-West, I have never met it, neither myself, nor in the literary faunal lists (Zubovsky, Miram).

This post was edited by PVOzerski - 07.10.2005 10: 12

07.10.2005 13:16, Helene

Barbitistes constrictus, by the way, goes very far to the north, only rarely comes across. For about 15 years of my regular visits to the Novgorod region (Okulovsky and Borovichi districts - in general, the north of the Valdai upland, taiga-type forests, and even "pseudo" or not-I can not judge)

Pseudo-taiga forests differ from taiga very clearly and in very specific parameters: the admixture of broad-leaved species, the floral composition of the lower tier... Barbitistes constrictus is a normal forest species associated with pine, so why shouldn't it be found in Valdai?

to Insect expert: Actually, I'm not so profane in all groups except my own as to consider each wingless blacksmith an isophy of Barbitistes wink.gifconstrictus, I know, but I didn't immediately remember the name. What I consider an isophy is a purely steppe view. According to the definition tables, I got an isophy. Although I do not claim anything, I could have blundered smile.gifWell, that there is not even a photo, but a copy, and there is a real opportunity to transfer it to a specialist. If it is confirmed, it will turn out to be a godsend for the region - you can also publish beer.gif

07.10.2005 14:15, PVOzerski

2Helene:
Apparently, then not "pseudo", at least, an admixture of broad-leaved species is absent there. But about the fanopter falkat-there is an indication even from the south of the Pskov region (Sebezhsky National Park) - until now I thought that this was a misunderstanding, now I don't think smile.gif

2Dracus (14). Regarding the power supply of the polar ones, I can't guarantee it. In general, I recall the work of Pshenitsyna and co-authors on the analysis of locust feces. Although without serology, the results will be very approximate. But in any case, it's better than studying what a hungry locust can eat in the bank smile.gif.

And yet: in the same monograph of Podgornaya on tetrihids, it is clearly stated that they all feed on detritus, algae, etc., and live higher plants do not eat at all or almost.

This post was edited by PVOzerski - 07.10.2005 14: 19

07.10.2005 14:33, Helene

2Helene:
Apparently, then not "pseudo", at least, an admixture of broad-leaved species is absent there.

Well, yes, essno, there is a zonal southern taiga.

But about the fanopter falkat-there is an indication even from the south of the Pskov region (Sebezhsky National Park) - until now I thought that this was a misunderstanding, now I don't think smile.gif

yes.gif There is a significant settling down even in the eastern part of the Vologda Oblast. This is on the topic of my work, if you are interested-you can continue the conversation in " Interesting facts...", so that here you will not be distracted from the polar smile.gifbats

07.10.2005 14:42, PVOzerski

2Helene: perhaps there is something I really need to discuss - the circumstances are such that it may be necessary to return to the ecology of Orthoptera after a long break (which I am cautiously happy smile.gifabout). Well, I'll go to that branch, although, in my opinion, it is already firmly occupied by butterflies in general and hawkmoth in particular smile.gif

07.10.2005 15:04, Helene

Well, I'll move on to that branch, although, in my opinion, it is already firmly occupied by butterflies in general and hawkmoth in particular smile.gif

ALL ALL ALL! jump.gif
"Interesting facts..." is designed specifically to go there when the conversation moves away from the stated topic of a particular topic - in order to avoid the fact that Bolivar called Flood wink.gifFlood not flood, but in any case, topics that could become permanent are first blurred, and then quietly fade away when the side line frown.gifAnd if there is a special topic for "thinking about" - IMHO, everyone only gets better from this, because it is clear where to share information on ANY entomological topic! beer.gif

24.10.2005 18:20, andr_mih

to ALL-ALL-ALL

An interesting map of the distribution of the Siberian filly is the
link at the top: it is very extensive. And what
will the experts say?


to INSECT EXPERT

Regarding the MSU BBS: in addition to tetrigids, there is also
Chorthippus montanus (in the swamp), and the specimen I
caught should have remained at the department, and
there is a photo of it.


to PVOzerski

The northernmost point where I met M. brachyptera
is in the vicinity of Nyandoma Arhang. obl (near the Nyandomka river)
and M. bicolor is in Rybinsk, on the steep bank of the Volga.


to DRACUS

In the Internet there are links with photos of Phaneroptera falcata
from the Yegoryevsky and Leninsky districts of the Moscow region. If you don't
believe me, I'll look for these links

to Helene

Photo from the office to the studio, pls.

24.10.2005 19:24, PVOzerski

The map of the Siberian filly is very confusing. And for information about animal collection points thank smile.gifyou

24.10.2005 20:39, Dracus

25.10.2005 13:31, PVOzerski

Apparently, it was about the area given in the electronic Agroatlass.
http://agroatlas.spb.ru/pests/Aeropus_sibiricus_ru.htm

A similar one can be found in the monograph "Siberian Filly". But, oddly enough, clear and specific data on its distribution are not given in the chapter "area and history of its formation", so the validity of the given area is not obvious.

25.10.2005 17:17, Dracus

I looked at the map. As for the main part of the range, it is certainly questionable. But there is also an incompleteness. In particular, the Caucasus region is not fully taken - there is a window on the right "tip" of the Black Sea coast (and then, across the isthmus, it continues). However, my friends in these places, and I myself in the vicinity of them caught the Caucasian subspecies in large quantities.

This post was edited by Dracus - 10/25/2005 17: 23

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