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Beetles of the Moscow and adjacent regions

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24.04.2007 8:13, omar

Hapalus (Apalus) bimaculatus was not found in the Moscow region. But it should be. Dmitry Vlasov found it near Yaroslavl. (see coleopterologists), as well as the theme "spring insects". Have you ever seen one in Karelia? Or where did you get the info from?

24.04.2007 8:28, amara

No, I haven't been to Karelia, it's from the list of Fennoscandia beetles.
I also updated the table based on clicks.
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24.04.2007 10:32, amara

Lobster, also Mylabris variabilis Pall. it is included in the list of Mosolov Beetles of Podolsky uyezd (1902).

This post was edited by amara - 04/24/2007 10: 42

24.04.2007 10:48, omar

I don't have a list of Mosolov, if you post it here, it will be great. I haven't heard about this list at all. I quote the data from the words of N. B. Nikitsky, my own data, and collections of Moscow entomologists I know.

This post was edited by omar - 04/24/2007 11: 38

24.04.2007 11:18, amara

In the list of Mosolov Zonabris (Mylabris) variabilis Pall. Unfortunately, I can't post it yet, because the book has nothing to scan.

This post was edited by omar - 04/24/2007 11: 33

24.04.2007 11:34, omar

OK, we're adding it.

04.05.2007 10:15, amara

Added Coccinellidae according to the Ukrainian A. S.

This post was edited by amara-05/04/2007 10: 22

04.05.2007 20:50, Aleksey Adamov

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In my opinion, there are not enough ground beetles (286 species), we have about 400 V.

05.05.2007 8:05, amara

Adamov, so much has been discovered so far, although I do not think that this number will swell significantly (a good study makes itself felt).
In my opinion, your climate is warmer and probably (?) drier. We compare the steppe (mostly) zone with the mixed forest zone (mostly).
In South Dakota, for example, the list of ground beetles includes (as of 1975) 353 species plus 24 racehorses (in the Moscow region there are only 4 and a half). On the other hand, they have only 75 species of staffs (where there is not much forest floor) (plus 4 species of palps). About 500 species are already known from the Moscow region, and this number, as knowledgeable people say, can grow as you study up to 600 or even more species.
I wonder how much you have (in the Rostov region?) staffs found?

This post was edited by amara - 05.05.2007 10: 16

05.05.2007 10:46, Aleksey Adamov

Staffs, in my opinion, more than 300, about like weevils. But I can't say for sure.

05.05.2007 20:41, алекс 2611

Staffs, in my opinion, more than 300, about like weevils. But I can't say for sure.


There are almost 400 species of weevils in the Leningrad region. The fauna of the Moscow region is clearly richer. There should be 400 types of small change.

06.05.2007 13:23, omar

You've had enough, Adamov! 300 species of elephants, for the steppe! lol.gif lol.gif lol.gifYou will definitely have 800 different types! And according to beetles, the fauna of the Moscow region has been studied very well, more than 50 additional species will not work out.

06.05.2007 20:38, Aleksey Adamov

You've had enough, Adamov! 300 species of elephants, for the steppe! lol.gif  lol.gif  lol.gifYou will definitely have 800 different types! And according to beetles, the fauna of the Moscow region is very well studied, more than 50 additional species will not work out.

If I've had enough, I'm not ashamedtongue.gif . I am mainly engaged in ground beetles, and knowledge of exact numbers (for the main beetles) I don't make it a priority for myself.
But, so that you don't"make a mistake" again, I took a smart book with a smart article by one smart specialist:
Arzanov Yu. G. Itogi izucheniya zhestkokrylykh Rostovskoy oblasti [Results of studying the coleoptera of the Rostov region]. Scientific and practical conferences, dedicated to 10th anniversary of the State Nature Reserve "Rostovsky", April 26-28, 2006, pos. Orlovsky, Rostov region-Rostov n / A: Publishing House Rost. Univ., 2006, pp. 262-267.
It says: "Estimated estimated data for PO: Carabidae-380; Staphilinidae-400; Curculionidae (s. l.) - 548 (!); Scarabaeidae (s. l.) - 150; Chrysomelidae-350; Cerambycidae-140; Tenebrionidae-85", etc.

This post was edited by Adamov - 06.05.2007 20: 42

06.05.2007 21:19, Bad Den


It says: "Estimated estimated data for PO: Carabidae-380; Staphilinidae-400; Curculionidae (s. l.) - 548 (!); Scarabaeidae (s. l.) - 150; Chrysomelidae-350; Cerambycidae-140; Tenebrionidae-85", etc.

And Yu. G. Arzanov is a specialist in Curculionidae, isn't he? In this case, I think its calculated data is quite reliable, even though the number of species is indicated with an accuracy of one.

06.05.2007 23:02, Aleksey Adamov

Yes, that's right. I also think that at least the weevils have been studied more fully than the other groups. Ground beetles, in my opinion, should be just over 400.

07.05.2007 8:10, omar

Yes, that's right. But surely 548 isn't 300? By definition, there can be no fewer elephants than ground beetles, especially in the steppe. In addition, the group is such that, unlike ground beetles, new species can be constantly located.

08.05.2007 6:49, Aleksey Adamov

Ground beetles, in your opinion, are fully studied by taxonomists in the steppe zone? I don't think so. Our specialists describe their own groups, but we have never had any taxonomists on ground beetles (homegrown), and this is why they did not describe them.

08.05.2007 8:27, omar

No, of course not. But the group is simpler to define, effective collection methods have been studied, the species diversity is less, and the lifestyle of the vast majority of representatives is well known. But what methods should be applied when collecting certain groups of soil elephants is a big question.

08.05.2007 14:31, Bad Den

But what methods should be applied when collecting certain groups of soil elephants is a big question.

Sifting, same soil traps...

08.05.2007 14:54, omar

Some species (or even genera) live, for example, in the turf of steppe grasses and rarely climb out of there.

08.05.2007 15:34, Bad Den

Some species (or even genera) live, for example, in the turf of steppe grasses and rarely climb out of there.

"Dig, Shura, dig!" lol.gif
But seriously, only by sifting them, imho, you can pull out ...

10.05.2007 8:10, amara

Adamov, please tell me, sensu lato for elephants (as you quoted from the book) meant that bark beetles are included with them?

I may add that in South Dakota, which (prairie) is closer to the steppe zone, in 1975 it was known that:

Elephants 142 species
Bark beetles 22

Leaf beetles 306 Floaters 76

10.05.2007 8:34, omar

Amara, the American elephant numbers are biased, obviously. It's just that no one seems to have seriously inventoried them there. 142 species are a laughing stock for chickens. I could agree with such a figure for weevils except in the tundra smile.gifin general, Americans are no entomologists-IMHO.

10.05.2007 10:27, Aleksandr Safronov

At the request of Omar - data on antlers in the Tula region.
Synodendron cylindricum occurs regularly in the Tula region. At the dacha in a rotten stump for two years in a row, in early spring, I found a whole brood, until the stump was removed. Sometimes it comes to the light. It is often found in plantings, park areas, and forests. Regarding Lucanus cervus , I don't know any actual confirmed finds in the Tula region. Although there are many legends (especially, for some reason, Muscovites vacationing in the north of the Tula region) that they almost held beetles in their hands. I do not know of any finds of Ceruchus chrysomelinus in the region. If you have any additional information, I'll let you know. In the neighboring Kaluga region, the species seems to be very rare. But I didn't see any signed copies. Another species, Platycerus caraboides L., 1758, is found in the Tula region. Synodendron cylindricum is less common. I have a series of stumps where both species developed simultaneously.
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10.05.2007 10:48, omar

Platycerus caraboides is very common in the Moscow region, it is the most frequent and widespread hornbill in the region. It is very strange that in the Tula region it is less common. The second species of the genus, Platycerus caprae, is also not uncommon, but very local, known from a few locations. Ceruchus chrysomelinus is easy to understand - it is a northern species that tends to the taiga zone. But at the same time, it is quite common in Central Europe.
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10.05.2007 11:13, Aleksandr Safronov

Dear Omar, I want to make a correction - about the occurrence of Platycerus caraboides in the Tula region (less often than Synodendron cylindricum). These are my personal observations over the past 7 years. I can't claim the objectivity of this data! smile.gif
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10.05.2007 12:27, omar

The weevil fauna in the Moscow region has never been seriously inventoried. Even an approximate number of species can only be named to within a hundred. But you need to study. If everything goes well, maybe I'll do it. smile.gif

This post was edited by omar - 05/11/2007 11: 48

10.05.2007 18:07, amara

Do you happen to have Melgunov's list? It is certainly very outdated (1892), but usually from it (with nek. add-ons) are repelled by specialists studying beetles in the Moscow region. Then it does not seem to have included the territory south of the Oka and Shatura in the east.

This post was edited by omar - 05/11/2007 10: 16

11.05.2007 8:25, amara

Thanks to KDG, but then it seems to me that on staffs (unlike elephants) we already have something. First, the list of Yakobson (1905-1913) included 250 species, then Tikhomirova (plus ecology, 1982) - 385 species, and finally, substantial additions (with ecology) Nikitsky et al. (Semenov as a specialist? 1996 and beyond), which brought the list to almost 500 species and the work continues.
It seems that for the Moscow region. (middle lane? or even further?) this is the richest family so far.

11.05.2007 8:35, omar

Amara, I will insist that the richest family is elephants, in the Moscow region for sure. tongue.gif Nikitsky has a list of Melgunov.

11.05.2007 9:23, amara

omar, we all know that there are only two modern elephant species left. But seriously, I certainly don't know. Nikitsky, for example, suggested (I repeat, suggested) that there may be 500 elephants in the Moscow region, and up to 700 staffs. But of course, research (including, I hope, yours) will show which of them is more important.
Interestingly, in the Nearctic region (approximately USA + Canada), about 2,400 elephant species were found (1978), and 4,153 staffs (521 genera) (2001). Ground beetles-2635 (2001), leaf beetles-1720 species ibid.

This post was edited by amara - 05/11/2007 09: 30

11.05.2007 10:10, omar

Returning to the topic of antlers, I can say that in the fall of last year, a female Synodendron cylindricum was dug out of an old elm tree just a stone's throw from his apartment, in Filevsky Park, in Moscow.
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11.05.2007 18:09, Zhuk

There was once a Lucanus cervus in the Ruza district. In the local history museum there are 3 pieces, very old, almost fossilized . Now, I think it's already gone extinct 20 times there. And Platycerus caraboides this spring made as many as 4 pieces from alder rot. Before that, I only caught it in 1999 (also sat on me, as it is not strange ). There are also funny Odonteus armiger beetles flying in this area, if anyone is interested. And sednya on the Sparrow Hills in trukhlyashka found cylindricum, a dead female.

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11.05.2007 22:59, Victor Titov

Platycerus caraboides is very common in the Moscow region, it is the most frequent and widespread hornbill in the region. It is very strange that in the Tula region it is less common. The second species of the genus, Platycerus caprae, is also not uncommon, but very local, known from a few locations. Ceruchus chrysomelinus is easy to understand - it is a northern species that tends to the taiga zone. But at the same time, it is quite common in Central Europe.

But in the Yaroslavl region the opposite picture is observed:Platycerus caprae is found more widely (by area) and more frequently than Platycerus caraboides. I came across it only on the border of Rostov and Borisoglebsky districts. Especially females are good: golden, red-legged.
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14.05.2007 16:14, Zhuk

So they asked me to write about Odonteus armiger.
The beetle is rare in the Moscow region. There are only 3 copies in my collection. It occurs in deciduous and mixed forests and is associated with some fungi(I have heard that it is associated with truffles, although I have not heard about finding them in the Arctic). I myself caught them in the light from June to July. Females are flying back. Males are very rare(in the period from 2000 to 2006. only one). Although when the years are very plentiful, these small beetles simply do not notice. And they are very nimble and do not stay long at the lamp. umnik.gif
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14.05.2007 17:07, omar

So it is, with truffles. They are available in the Moscow region, and not uncommon, you just need to be able to search. They grow at a depth of 25-30 cm, underground. Thanks for the advice. smile.gif

14.05.2007 17:13, Zhuk

So it is, with truffles. They are available in the Moscow region, and not uncommon, you just need to be able to search. They grow at a depth of 25-30 cm, underground. Thanks for the advice. smile.gif

Ukhta! smile.gif I didn't know. In short, there are beetles on mushrooms, but I don't know about larvae. Maybe they develop in dead mushrooms?

14.05.2007 17:18, omar

Larva and develops in truffles. And what the adult beetle eats, I do not know.

14.05.2007 17:33, Zhuk

Beetles, in my opinion, finally do not feed, they only mate on mushrooms. But that's all guesswork.

14.05.2007 17:46, Bad Den

I myself caught them in the light from June to July. Females are flying back. Males are very rare(in the period from 2000 to 2006. only one). Although when the years are very plentiful, these small beetles simply do not notice. And they are very nimble and do not stay long at the lamp. umnik.gif

I've heard that they're good at falling into window traps...
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