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28.06.2007 8:51, omar

In my opinion, it is really possible to find it in the PTZ.

I think, if it were so, during the 14 years of faunal revision of the beetles of the Moscow region, Nikolai Borisovich Nikitsky certainly discovered this not the most secretive and inconspicuous species. However, not yet. The author's authority, I think, can only be discussed when it comes to his profile - plants. It has already proved its entomological inadequacy in the case of the stag beetle. Now this. It is possible that he again deliberately changed the name of the species, so as not to write in the popular floricultural magazine "unsightly" name-bronze smelly. For housewives, this would not be acceptable.
For those who are interested: I raised a question on this type in May of this year, and then Nikolai Borisovich clearly answered me: "no, this is not the case."
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07.07.2007 9:59, RippeR

Does anyone have a list of MOD cons? I only know about: menetriesi, convexus, nemoralis, coriaceus, nitens, glabratus, hortensis, granulatus

07.07.2007 12:10, Sparrow

I also request a list of MO carbuses)

07.07.2007 12:46, Дзанат

Here is the list of Fedorenko. message. №263 http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=54556&st=250

07.07.2007 12:53, Дзанат

Does anyone have a list of MOD cons? I only know about: menetriesi, convexus, nemoralis, coriaceus, nitens, glabratus, hortensis, granulatus

еще cancellatus, clathratus,arvensis,violaceus

10.07.2007 21:59, Sparrow

Link to the list of Fedorenko non-working unfortunately

11.07.2007 8:25, omar

Yes, it is, already non-working. But from what they've posted, I can say that nitens is only reliably found at one point, and then rarely, and violaceus has not been caught for so long that no one believes in it anymore.

11.07.2007 10:26, RippeR

sadly..

09.08.2007 1:30, Archypus

The link to the list of Fedorenko is not working unfortunately

Already working again, but after some time it may close again. You can't track it
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23.09.2007 8:09, amara

I identified (according to Isaev, 2007, maybe I was mistaken, of course) the beetle that I found in Moscow as Omiamima concinna (in green Omias). There is nothing strange about this (there is green in the middle band and in the south), but it is not listed in the List of weevils of the subfamily Entiminae (Curculionidae) of Russia, N. N. Yunakov (see the Zinovsky site). I wonder if anyone else has found this species in Mosk. regions?

23.09.2007 15:09, omar

Boris, the one you couldn't identify? Yes, it is found, if it is him, in the Moscow region. Not much, really, but there is. I don't know why it's not on the list... confused.gif

23.09.2007 15:20, amara

Yes, I had to tinker with it, just like I'm currently tinkering with something like Polydru/osus. Study. And Omiamima concinna is not on the list of Fennoscandia, probably to the north (and west?) it doesn't go far.

24.09.2007 11:35, amara

I would like to inform you that Nikolai Yunakov (a specialist in this group from Zina) has kindly taken a look at my beetle, as Omiamima concinna (which now belongs to the genus Baromiamima Borovec, 2006) he was not known from the Russian Federation. Of course, I'm an amateur in general, but I'm also new to elephants, so I could have screwed up everything.
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24.09.2007 11:46, omar

I don't know why. I have them, and I'm not the only one. And I'm 98% sure

24.09.2007 11:54, amara

By the way, the last article on this group (Omiini) was also kindly provided to me by Nikolai Yunakov. Attach a file (large?) I can't do it here (I tried it), I'll send you Omar by mail.

24.09.2007 11:55, omar

Maybe, of course, we have a similar view, the one that goes on the "green" - and now it is already called differently? In general, I, of course, lagged behind the modern tendencies of renaming elephants. frown.gif

24.09.2007 12:04, amara

I forwarded the article, take a look. This shake-up with generic names is not the last, according to the author.
Well, for example, Isaev (2007) also finds this species in Chuvashia and Ul. region, so I think that it still exists in the Russian Federation.

24.09.2007 12:26, omar

Well. There can't be so many people making mistakes at once! In addition, Isaev is a very good connoisseur of elephants, in his Ulyanovsk region 9 species like described. This is significantly more difficult than describing 100 of the tropics.

12.10.2007 14:39, Aleksey Adamov

I forwarded the article, take a look. This shake-up with generic names is not the last, according to the author.
Well, for example, Isaev (2007) also finds this species in Chuvashia and the Ul. region, so I think that it still exists in the Russian Federation.

"Isaev" - what is it? Isaev A. Yu.???

12.10.2007 15:00, omar

Yes it is.

12.10.2007 15:44, Aleksey Adamov

"I forwarded the article, take a look. This shake-up with generic names is not the last, according to the author.
Well, for example, Isaev (2007) also finds this species in Chuvashia and the Ul. region, so I think that it still exists in the Russian Federation."

Then not 2007... he died in 2005...

12.10.2007 15:45, omar

I'm aware of that. The book was published after his death.

14.10.2007 12:02, amara

I found the remains of a beetle under the window. From the peephole on my head, I realized that it was a kozheed. According to the tables and what remains of the beetle, it seems to have been reduced to Megatoma (but I do not exclude that I was mistaken), According to the drawing on the nadkr, and the description in the "Far Eastern Beetles", it is closest to M. (Pseudohadrotoma) graeseri. But definitely not undata cat. given by Nikitsky for the Moscow region. Question: who and what species of this genus were found in Moscow and the region?

14.10.2007 12:10, Bad Den

I found the remains of a beetle under the window. From the peephole on my head, I realized that it was a kozheed. According to the tables and what remains of the beetle, it seems to have been reduced to Megatoma (but I do not exclude that I was mistaken), According to the drawing on the nadkr, and the description in the "Far Eastern Beetles", it is closest to M. (Pseudohadrotoma) graeseri. But definitely not undata cat. given by Nikitsky for the Moscow region. Question: who and what species of this genus were found in Moscow and the region?

It can also be tianshanica.
In general, it is quite difficult to deal with leatherworms - many people have settled quite widely as synanthropes, and data on their distribution may not be quite up-to-date.
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14.10.2007 12:42, amara

After looking carefully at the photo http://www.dermestidae.com/Reesavespulae.html I now find that my beetle is more like Reesa vespulae (Milliron, 1939). And according to the description in D. Zhukakh fits, except that my beetle is slightly larger than 3.5 mm (rather 3.8) .

15.10.2007 1:43, Fornax13

I found the remains of a beetle under the window. From the peephole on my head, I realized that it was a kozheed. According to the tables and what remains of the beetle, it seems to have been reduced to Megatoma (but I do not exclude that I was mistaken), According to the drawing on the nadkr, and the description in the "Far Eastern Beetles", it is closest to M. (Pseudohadrotoma) graeseri. But definitely not undata cat. given by Nikitsky for the Moscow region. Question: who and what species of this genus were found in Moscow and the region?

So I signed my own like graeseri. This creature is not only in the houses, but also in nature has taken root: it lives under the bark and does not complain. He also goes on trains without a ticket!:)

15.10.2007 8:19, amara

So I signed my own like graeseri. This creature is not only in the houses, but also in nature has taken root: it lives under the bark and does not complain. He also goes on trains without a ticket!:)


Here's a picture http://www.dermestidae.com/Megatomagraeseri.html , you can compare it with the first one.
Mine (got without a mustache) after comparing (and dots on the prsp. it is noticeably smaller than Megatoma) turned out to be Reesa vespulae, another transcontinental lover of collections (it is not in the "green" list).

This post was edited by amara - 10/15/2007 09: 31

15.10.2007 13:28, Bad Den

Here's a picture http://www.dermestidae.com/Megatomagraeseri.html , you can compare it with the first one.
Mine (got without a mustache) after comparing (and dots on the prsp. it is noticeably smaller than Megatoma) turned out to be Reesa vespulae, another transcontinental lover of collections (it is not in the "green" list).

On kozheedam you can use this book here:
http://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/zhant_76.htm

And this one (some species missing from the fauna of the Russian Federation are shown):
http://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/yamord99.htm
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15.10.2007 13:57, amara

On kozheedam you can use this book here:
http://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/zhant_76.htm

And this one (some species missing from the fauna of the Russian Federation are shown):
http://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/yamord99.htm

And here you can see how they look in the photo (plus prepared ones):

http://www.dermestidae.com/

A lot of other beetles can be found there, by the way.
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15.10.2007 23:15, Fornax13

Here's a picture http://www.dermestidae.com/Megatomagraeseri.html , you can compare it with the first one.
Mine (got without a mustache) after comparing (and dots on the prsp. it is noticeably smaller than Megatoma) turned out to be Reesa vespulae, another transcontinental lover of collections (it is not in the "green" list).

It would be interesting to see this meal live... I have, fortunately, all with a mustache, and the mace is not 4-segment, so I still have megatoms running around at home. I'll have to pull their genitals at my leisure, because they're so strange. smile.gif

15.10.2007 23:34, Fornax13

Has anyone collected Saulcyella schmidti (Maerkel) in MO???

16.10.2007 8:35, omar

No like.
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16.10.2007 23:28, Fornax13

No like.

Thanks!!! Then, apparently, the first find for the European part of Russia!!! smile.gif smile.gif
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17.10.2007 8:48, amara

Thanks!!! Then, apparently, the first find for the European part of Russia!!! smile.gif smile.gif

In Nikitsky's articles on the Ministry of Defense, I don't think I've seen this species either, but in Sergey A. Kurbatov's list " List of Pselaphidae Russia and the former USSR (June 2001)" http://www.zin.ru/animalia/coleoptera/rus/incops1.htm
It is given for Ukraine and the Far East. From the whole of Fennoscandia, only.
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17.10.2007 8:49, omar

Two questions.
1. What source was used to determine the results?
2. Caught in the Ulyanovsk region?

17.10.2007 8:56, omar

You can ask Kurbatov directly. The person is attentive and accurate.
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18.10.2007 0:03, Fornax13

Two questions.
1. What source was used to determine the results?
2. Caught in the Ulyanovsk region?

1. По C. Besuchet : Die Kaefer Mitteleuropas. In addition, the animal is quite characteristic.
2. Yes, the Shilovskaya Forest-Steppe Nature Reserve. The places are good...smile.gif in the dust of the dry road of a shrinking maple tree together with Lasius ? niger

In addition, from the same season - Chennai bituberculatum Latr. It was also not specified for the ETR.
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18.10.2007 9:17, guest: Elizar

2Fornax13
If you so wish, I can send Reesa and really live, only then do not complain if they eat something. According to my data, the most terrible enemy is ent. fees, especially on "mattresses"
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18.10.2007 10:00, amara

1. По C. Besuchet : Die Kaefer Mitteleuropas. In addition, the animal is quite characteristic.
2. Yes, the Shilovskaya Forest-Steppe Nature Reserve. The places are good...smile.gif in the dust of the dry road of a shrinking maple tree together with Lasius ? niger

In addition, from the same season - Chennai bituberculatum Latr. It was also not specified for the ETR.

Lucky you on rare (the writer writes very rare) beetles. I wonder what kind of ants were seen with the second one?
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18.10.2007 23:08, Fornax13

2Fornax13
If you so wish, I can send Reesa and really live, only then do not complain if they eat something. According to my data, the most terrible enemy is ent. fees, especially on "mattresses"

Thank you, I've heard a lot...smile.gif smile.gif But I still have enough Attagenus

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