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09.12.2015 16:41, TimK

Thank you very much! Can Formica rufa have both red and dark legs?

About Formica pratensis is now clear. And I was thinking: why do Formica rufa live near my dacha for so many years in a small mole-type earthen pile, and do not want to build a large anthill in any way? I even specially brought them some of the old abandoned Formica rufa anthill and poured it on top. But they took the sticks away somewhere, and again there was bare ground. Although the grass does not grow in this place-they destroy it! Now it is clear that this is not Formica rufa, and I will not have the desired large anthill!


Rufus and Polyctene, whom I saw, always had darker legs than their chests. Usually brown with reddish-brownish tan markings in the joints. In various versions. Sometimes-the color variant was brown with orangish tan markings. I have never seen any pure red legs in these species.
Formica pratensis nests are usually not bare ground, but rather a flat pancake of clumps of earth and small twigs. And, in the middle, there is usually an underground cone of larger twigs. That is, it is not just a mink in the ground, but a structure of branches and earth, although it is flat on the surface. Perhaps this is also a dome, only turned down with its top and lowered into the ground. Unlike Rufus and Polyctenes, Pratensis get along better next to human habitation.

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10.12.2015 20:36, Пчеложук

Good afternoon! Is it possible to identify these bees? Caught in Kiev near minks in the ground, March 1-27, April 2 and 3 - 22.

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12.12.2015 23:02, IchMan

Returning to Korean wasps
, the coloration of Polistes rothneyi koreanus van der Vecht, 1968 is shown here http://repository.naturalis.nl/document/547546
Photo of the female Polistes rothneyi koreanus is available here: http://stockist.tistory.com/72
Something can be seen here http://www.genebank.go.kr/PB/jw/insectView...es_id=ZT1DV0021
The differences between P. (M.) jokahamae and Polistes rothneyi are listed here, and I don't know how true http://m.blog.naver.com/vespa777/220046930877
Unfortunately, in my photo of the male, his muzzle was not visible, and the other specimen that I have (slightly different in size and color), according to the casing, separated from the eyes, should be jokahamae:
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12.12.2015 23:14, IchMan

Here are others, also from South Korea
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In last year's article (Tan et al. 2014), a bunch of subspecies of Polistes rothneyi, including koreanus, were brought together as synonyms.

In the old Carpenter checklist (Carpenter, 1996), P. (M.) jokahamae Radoszkowski, 1887 is listed as a synonym of P. japonicus Saussure, 1858, whereas in the newer one, which is found in the web: http://iunh2.sci.ibaraki.ac.jp/wasp/polistes/Polistes.htm these are both valid views.
Some leapfrog Gyrostoma-Megapolistes with subgenera frown.gif

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4. Is this Auterhynchium flavomarginatum ?
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5. Is this Orancistrocerus drewseni ?
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By the way, Alexander, in the Korean article on hornets (Choi et al. 2011) Vespa binghami for Korea is not given, it was found there later, quite recently? Or is this an extrapolation?
And what I caught in Korea, like Vespa velutina, which was first noted there only in 2003. These were more common than the others, and they would soon reach Primorye.
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13.12.2015 2:28, IchMan

Here is another female Korean polista found, scratching the shield wink.gif(Gyeongsang) - jokahamae?
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And some kind of lousy-quality Scelifron
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This post was edited by IchMan - 12/13/2015 02: 34

14.12.2015 9:51, AVA

Back to the Korean wasps...


Of course, this is Polistes jokahamae Radoszkowski, 1887. And it's not so much the coloration (it “walks”), but such features as the platypus, which is separated from the inner orbits of the eyes and, especially, the shape of the apical segment of the antennae (in the male Polistes rothneyi Cameron, 1900, the apical segment is expanded and flattened).
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14.12.2015 11:25, AVA

Here are others, also from South Korea


Photo 1 female Parapolybia indica (de Saussure, 1854).

As for the” subspecies " of social wasps (and indeed subspecies in general for the most part), this question requires awareness of the need for some kind of gap in the range of the species. If there is no such gap, then the described "subspecies" most often represent color variations associated with habitat conditions. To be honest, I am skeptical about most of these names, and I consider the synonymization of the names of the “subspecies” of Polistes rothneyi Cameron, 1900 to be justified.

I once wrote that nomenclature is somewhat akin to jurisprudence – in both cases, every letter and word is important. In this case, these are the authors of identical names (homonyms) and the names themselves.

So, the name Polistes jokahamae Radoszkowski, 1887 is the senior (!) synonym of the name Polistes jadwigae Dalla Torre, 1904, which is just a substitute for the name Polistes japonicus Cameron, 1900, which, in turn, is the primary homonym of Polistes japonicus de Saussure, 1858. Thus, Polistes jokahamae Radoszkowski, 1887 (subgenus Gyrostoma) and Polistes japonicus de Saussure, 1858 (subgenus Polistella) are different species.

In relation to Gyrostoma, there is also no special leapfrog.
The name Gyrostoma Kirby, 1828 was published as a substitute name for the generic name Cyclostoma Kirby, 1826, which turned out to be the primary homonym of the name Cyclostoma Lamarck, 1799, described in gastropods. And the fact that the latter name later turned out to be a junior synonym for the generic name Epitonium Röding, 1798, does not formally change anything (the word, that is, the name, remains). The name Megapolistes van der Vecht, 1968, published as a subgenus in the genus Polistes, is a junior synonym for Gyrostoma Kirby, 1828.

Photo 2 shows a male Polistes (Polistes) chinensis Fabricius, 1793, common in East Asia.

Photo 3 shows a female Polistes (Polistella) diakonovi Kostylev, 1940. And this is interesting, since until now this species was known only from Primorsky Krai.

Photos 4-5 – no comments. The solitary Vespids are not my diocese, since there is a Carcharoth in the world. tongue.gif

As for Vespa binghami in Korea, this is certainly not an extrapolation. I'm not a fan of fantasy. Posted here:
Jeong-Kyu Kim, Il-Kwon Kim. 2011(March). Discovery of Vespa binghami (Vespidae: Hymenoptera) in Korea. Korean Journal of Systematic Zoology, vol. 27, No. 1, pp. 105-107.
Try using the link from the command line (it opens without any problems):
http://www.koreascience.or.kr/search/artic..._2011_v27n1_105

Finally, about Vespa velutina (this is it). Now this South Asian species, which originally appeared in the south of France (thanks to the US Navy), has already settled in Spain, Portugal, Italy and, it seems, even in Bulgaria. Everywhere safely crushes honeybees, and noticeably more active than the native Vespa crabro. The climate is good, but there are no enemies here. Whether it will be able to take root in Primorye is a question. I am not sure that it will be safe to survive the usual winter -20° C here, and the pressure of Vespa mandarinia is also no joke.
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14.12.2015 11:51, AVA

  
... - jokahamae?

... And some lousy-quality Scelifron


No, it is a female of the common Polistes (Polistella) snelleni de Saussure, 1862.

The second is the female Sceliphron (Sceliphron) caementarium (Drury, 1773). The dominant species in the United States, which first successfully took root in France (again, thanks to the US Navy), and then independently spread throughout Southern Europe up to the Odessa region. I ended up in Japan the same way, and now in Korea. You can view it here:

Kim, D.-W, J.-D. Yeo, and J.-K. Kim. 2014. Revision of the family Sphecidae (Hymenoptera: Apoidea) in South Korea. Entomological Reseaarch, 44:271-292.

http://researcharchive.calacademy.org/rese..._in_S_Korea.pdf
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14.12.2015 15:10, IchMan

No, it is a female of the common Polistes (Polistella) snelleni de Saussure, 1862.


Yes, I confused this from memory, it passed as P olistes nipponensis-snelleni
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14.12.2015 15:18, IchMan

Photo 1 female Parapolybia indica (de Saussure, 1854).

As for the” subspecies " of social wasps (and indeed subspecies in general for the most part), this question requires awareness of the need for some kind of gap in the range of the species. If there is no such gap, then the described "subspecies" most often represent color variations associated with habitat conditions.

Photos 4-5 – no comments. The solitary Vespids are not my diocese, since there is a Carcharoth in the world. tongue.gif


Finally, about Vespa velutina (this is it). Now this South Asian species, which originally appeared in the south of France (thanks to the US Navy), has already settled in Spain, Portugal, Italy and, it seems, even in Bulgaria. Everywhere safely crushes honeybees, and noticeably more active than the native Vespa crabro. The climate is good, but there are no enemies here. Whether it will be able to take root in Primorye is a question. I am not sure that it will be safe to survive the usual winter -20° C here, and the pressure of Vespa mandarinia is also no joke.

As for subspecies and further - I fully agree, why and who needs this division?

Photos 4-5-let's wait for Sasha with his verdict

And as for Vespa velutina-let's see, in winter it can be frosty in Korea. In the meantime it's heading north smile.gif

14.12.2015 16:48, AVA

Yes, I confused this from memory, it passed as P olistes nipponensis-snelleni


Polistes nipponensis is a large species, one and a half times larger than the usual species, including Polistes snelleni.

14.12.2015 22:31, Woodmen

Surroundings of Kirovo-Chepetsk, Kirov region. September 2. On Boletus edulis.
Any version yes.gif smile.gif

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15.12.2015 12:04, IchMan

Surroundings of Kirovo-Chepetsk, Kirov region. September 2. On Boletus edulis.
Any version yes.gif  smile.gif

It's not much that you can see in the photo, but something tells me that this is a braconid. And if you take into account that it sits on a white mushroom, it is probably a parasite of dipteran larvae, which are developing in this mushroom. It can be assumed that the image shows a representative of Alysiinae from the tribe Alysiini - a wide head and a long ovipositor also contribute to this... Among the ichneumonids trofically related to this group, with such a long ovipositor, there are only a few species, but this is definitely not them. Somehow you wink.gifcan fantasize about this topic for a long time, and accordingly there will be more versions than enough wink.gif
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15.12.2015 21:43, Woodmen

It's not much that you can see in the photo, but something tells me that this is a braconid. wink.gif

Braconida is already quite a lot... smile.gif
Thanks!

16.12.2015 1:56, gstalker

An ant?
12mm 27.07.15 Bibione, VE, Italia 45°38'34.2N 13°02'19.7E

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16.12.2015 20:38, TimK

An ant?
12mm 27.07.15 Bibione, VE, Italia 45°38'34.2N 13°02'19.7E

Ant. I think it's a male of the genus Formica.
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16.12.2015 23:43, gstalker

Ant. I think it's a male of the genus Formica.

F. cunicularia or F. cinerea ?

17.12.2015 20:54, TimK

F. cunicularia or F. cinerea ?

I don't know how to identify serviformics from males, and I don't know what species that male might belong to. But if we consider these two species, then, in theory, F. cinerea should have spaced hairs on the underside of the head and on the scales of the stalk, and F. cunicularia does not have them. But the photo does not show such details.
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17.12.2015 22:47, gstalker

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18.12.2015 9:26, Nikel

Hello! Left the Yastrebinka gall on 16/12/15, Saratov. I don't know what's wrong with the wings. Eating jam.Thanks!

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18.12.2015 11:51, TimK

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In my opinion, this is a male of the genus Formica, subgenus Serviformica. And then it would be a complete guessing game on my part. I have no experience in identifying species by males, and I have not seen males of many species "live". I'm afraid I can't help you here. In the book Czechowski W, Radchenko A, Czechowska W. "The ants (Hymenoptera, Formicidae) of Poland". 2002:
http://www.antvid.org/PDF/Lit/Czechowski_e...of%20Poland.pdf
there is a determinant for males. And in a later version of this book from 2012 (I don't have it).
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19.12.2015 9:47, Nikel

From Gall on Yastrebinka left 15/12/15, Saratov. Thanks!

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19.12.2015 16:18, Раду Кибзий

Good afternoon! Please tell me, is this by any chance Xylocopa valga? May 16, 2015 in the vicinity of Chisinau, Codru. Thank you in advance!

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20.12.2015 6:53, Proctos

Hello! Left the Yastrebinka gall on 16/12/15, Saratov. I don't know what's wrong with the wings. Eating jam.Thanks!

Eupelmidae (Chalcidoidea)
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20.12.2015 7:00, Proctos

From Gall on Yastrebinka left 15/12/15, Saratov. Thanks!

Eurytomidae (Chalcidoidea)
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20.12.2015 21:32, Ксения2015

Tell me, please, is this a carpenter bee, or someone else?
Belarus, near Minsk, 31.08.2008

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22.12.2015 1:17, AVA

Tell me, please, is this a carpenter bee, or someone else?
Belarus, near Minsk, 31.08.2008


No, it's a bumblebee. But what, it is difficult to say, since all the coloring is "behind".
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22.12.2015 1:20, AVA

Good afternoon! Please tell me, is this by any chance Xylocopa valga? May 16, 2015 in the vicinity of Chisinau, Codru. Thank you in advance!


On this scale? One can only guess. confused.gif
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22.12.2015 11:34, Ксения2015

No, it's a bumblebee. But what, it is difficult to say, since all the coloring is "behind".

Understood, thank you! I will know about the need to see the color "behind", and I tried to take a picture of the eyes of this flying "bear". smile.gif
off.
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23.12.2015 17:56, AVA

Understood, thank you! I will know about the need to see the color "behind", and I tried to take a picture of the eyes of this flying "bear". smile.gif
off.


Hmm, bumblebees aren't girls. They are not identified by their eyes. Usually on the "cheeks", as well as on the hairs on the back, abdomen and "ass". smile.gif
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24.12.2015 12:32, IchMan

Hurray! Finally published a long-awaited (at least by me) article with an illustrated key to the glitter of Northern Europe and the Baltic States - http://zookeys.pensoft.net/articles.php?id=6164
This is how many years it took to do this after the work of Linsenmeier!..
I've only looked through it so far, but my impressions are the most positive smile.gif
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24.12.2015 16:35, Раду Кибзий

Understood, thank you! I will know about the need to see the color "behind", and I tried to take a picture of the eyes of this flying "bear". smile.gif
off.

Bees-bees, and what an unusual plant! I wonder what it's called?

Yellow asphodeline (Asphodeline lutea).
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24.12.2015 16:41, Раду Кибзий

On this scale? One can only guess. confused.gif

Please make it bigger. May 16, 2015 in the vicinity of Chisinau, Codru.

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24.12.2015 20:08, AVA

Please make it bigger. May 16, 2015 in the vicinity of Chisinau, Codru.


On the 42nd page of this forum, there is a key for identifying xylocop females (URL #2079).
See if your image is informative enough to reliably identify the bee caught on it before the type.
Although, presumably, it is most likely Xylocopa valga.
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24.12.2015 20:13, AVA

  
This is how many years it took for this to happen after Linsenmeier's work!..


But some colleagues (both schoolchildren and older) are quite sure that two or three months are enough to write such a work on vespids. Even from scratch... eek.gif

24.12.2015 21:49, TimK

But some colleagues (both schoolchildren and older) are quite sure that two or three months are enough to write such a work on vespids. Even from scratch... eek.gif


It all depends on what others have already done on the chosen path and who will help. With a good person, any road becomes shorter. smile.gif

24.12.2015 23:19, ИНО

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25.12.2015 0:23, TimK

Well, why immediately turned? This is a normal convex dome. although much more gentle than in different forest forms. And it falls inside, first becoming concave (and later, as restoration work progresses, it becomes flat) during fires, which occur regularly in the steppe area, and attacks by predators. I have repeatedly observed this process in dynamics.


In most cases, it "fails" not from fires, which are less common in our forest regions than in yours, and not from predators, but from the earthworks of the creators themselves, since they "so conceived" them. But for example, the rufus and polyctene domes standing next to each other do not fall through and do not become flat (as long as the workers in them are alive). In the same living conditions! And after the winter and predators are restored in a dome-shaped form. And only in protensis as there was a pancake (sometimes slightly convex) and it remains a pancake. With an inner cone of branches and earth. Because that's what the builders intended, not the fires.
Your main problem, Ilya, in my opinion, is that when you study the water in a glass, you draw conclusions about the ocean in the distance without ever seeing it. But the ocean is much more diverse than a glass of water, although it consists of the same water. Keep this diversity in mind and don't draw global conclusions from particular observations on a small patch of land.
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25.12.2015 2:39, ИНО

My main problem is the Ukrainian army, which has been firing heavy artillery at my city for the past year and a half in a row. And yours is extremely narrow and conservative views. And it would also be somewhat excusable if you were to base your conservatism on the opinions of recognized authorities (which, of course, is also wrong), but instead you focus on the constructors of your own consciousness. Tell me, which authors claim that pratensis specifically build a dome that is concave inwards, or, for example, that ants exchange information exclusively using odors? I don't know any of them personally, except you, of course.

Regarding the "small patch of land": we have a pratensis ant on any such patch every 10-20 meters, which, believe me, I had a sufficient sample size. Comparison with polyctenes is out of the question, they use completely different design solutions and the ratio of building materials. Naturally, the construction of the dome mainly from pine needles allows you to make it much higher and stronger than if it were made of mostly earth, like pratensis. But pratensis with their specifics in the choice of stations is a large height without any special need. But this is not a reason to assign negative values to this height.

In addition to fires and predators, it is obvious that there may be other factors contributing to the collapse of the dome in your area, such as weather (for example, a thick layer of snow) or edaphic (loose soil). But the very fact of frequent collapses does not at all indicate that "this is how it is intended." Here is what practical meaning can such a concave construction have in your opinion? Collect water? In your region, it is more likely to be diverted.

According to my long-term observations of a lot of nests in favorable conditions, nothing is turned down in the ants, and the ant always rises above the ground, and it is flat only at the earliest stages of construction. If nothing interferes with it, the dome remains convex for many years. Much less cool than polyctena, lugubris, Aquilonia, Rufa (and who else builds castles there) but convex:

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But after a grass fire, which we have through human fault occur in steppe biotopes every spring, the dome always falls, sometimes deep, so that the top is below ground level, sometimes not so much, so that the anthill in shape becomes like a volcano with a crater:

picture: ______044.jpg

Nevertheless, the ants quickly restore it (the same nest after 2 months):

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The most important quality of a competent researcher is flexibility of opinion and the ability to admit your mistakes, I hope you, Alexander, have it.

PS In Google images for the query "Formica pratensis" there were many photos of convex anthills and none of concave ones. Even in the photo of the nest posted on your website, the dome is quite convex. I was also surprised to find that you consider the parasitic foundation of families by females of this species to be extremely rare, and the usual one is reproduction by layering, that is, exactly the same as I did. But for some reason, the correspondence fiercely disputed this. So do you like to argue for the sake of the argument itself?

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25.12.2015 10:40, Hierophis

Google images for the search for "Formica pratensis" found many photos of convex anthills, but none of concave ones.


Mdya.. here it is all the "professionalism" of this "competent researcher", I looked at Google images using the scientific poke method, and here is the result, and one photo is from Wikipedia weep.gif


http://myrmecology.narod.ru/Formica_pratensis.jpg

http://www.antwiki.org/wiki/images/thumb/f...a-pratensis.JPG

But I somehow did not notice clearly convex cones of pratensis there, almost all such nests issued on request for pratensis turned out to be anthills of other species.
And how does the public now feel about the statements of such a researcher-always check? )))
Yes, and in the descriptions of this species they write that the anthill is in most cases with a flat top, they do not write a lie?

So the "main problem" here is clearly of a different kind than the one indicated by the "researcher" shuffle.gif

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