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20.01.2010 17:31, Victor Titov

Please help in identifying beetles, in particular interested in nutcrackers

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Resembles Anostirus? purpureus

20.01.2010 17:48, akulich-sibiria

Evgeny, have you ever tried to identify your nutcrackers based on the first part of the third volume of the "Determinant of Insects of the Far East"? I have identified almost all the Irkutsk residents by this volume. Aren't you near Irkutsk?
But plantago also has two volumes of "SSSS Fauna" on nutcrackers in its library.

also an option, but Cherepanov describes everything in more detail than in the Far East, but not as complicated as in the fauna of the USSR. In addition, I did not find my black ampedus in the DV, I forgot the specific name. One of the largest of this genus is 15 mm, black in color.
and we are not far from Irkutsk, but here the matter is already in geography. Many Far Eastern species reach them, which we unfortunately do not have
. How are the andrens doing there? wink.gif

This post was edited by akulich-sibiria - 20.01.2010 17: 49

20.01.2010 17:52, vasiliy-feoktistov

 
Resembles Anostirus purpureus

So hard to spot! Here's a link to it just in case: http://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/anopurru.htm

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 20.01.2010 17: 52

20.01.2010 17:53, akulich-sibiria

Ampedusov (5 species from the Moscow region) I posted it here: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=99444 See if anything fits.

after viewing this topic, I asked you a question about clickers and ampeduses in particular. BUT from above, I think they are all similar. True, for pomorum, the color of the elytra is given more brown. But as I understand it, this is all relative. And the color of other parts of the body is also variable...I can not understand the umbilical or non-umbilical points along the edge of the anterior spine. What other signs are worth looking at. I think a lot of things will become clear when my nutcrackers come from Svetlana Seredyuk smile.gif
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20.01.2010 18:10, vasiliy-feoktistov

after viewing this topic, I asked you a question about clickers and ampeduses in particular. BUT from above, I think they are all similar. True, for pomorum, the color of the elytra is given more brown. But as I understand it, this is all relative. And the color of other parts of the body is also variable...I can not understand the umbilical or non-umbilical points along the edge of the anterior spine. What other signs are worth looking at. I think a lot of things will become clear when my nutcrackers come from Svetlana Seredyuk smile.gif

Well, according to ampedusam-I myself toil with them (mainly from the photo to determine and have to), here are some: http://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/elate_sf.htm And I'll post pomorum soon (I found it in my cache). And spread the nutcrackers (although they are problematic)-we'll see. smile.gif

20.01.2010 18:16, алекс 2611

  picture: post_51435_1263843063.jpg
Resembles Anostirus purpureus


There is no doubt that this is Anostirus. As for the species, in addition to purpureus, Dima should have 3-4 more species. You can hardly tell anything from the photo.

20.01.2010 18:23, алекс 2611


"How are the Andrens doing?" wink.gif



I remember smile.giffinally getting three days off in a row, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow I'll try to torture the bees.
I'm currently in the nutcrackers, something I like them more and more.
And ampeduses are a nightmare. We have at least a few of them, but how will I take on the Caucasian ones.... full paragraph.

20.01.2010 18:39, Victor Titov

  picture: post_51435_1263843063.jpg
Resembles Anostirus purpureus

So hard to spot! Here's a link to it just in case: http://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/anopurru.htm

It's just that I think wink.gifthe spaces of the elytra are rib-shaped , so I assumed... shuffle.gif
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20.01.2010 19:39, Александр57

Can you explain these muddy nutcrackers? Dzerzhinsk, Nizhny Novgorod region
1-Small, 7.5 mm long, May 27.
2 - Some shaggy, 11.5 mm long, June 12.
3-Length 11.5 mm, June 13.

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20.01.2010 20:02, vasiliy-feoktistov

The second may be: Prosternon tesselatum Linnaeus, 1758. Are there any conifers nearby?

20.01.2010 20:03, Victor Titov

Can you explain these muddy nutcrackers? Dzerzhinsk, Nizhny Novgorod region
1-Small, 7.5 mm long, May 27.

Limonius ?minutus

20.01.2010 20:05, Victor Titov

The second may be: Prosternon tesselatum Linnaeus, 1758. Are there any conifers nearby?

Nono.gif, definitely not him. Rather Athous sp.

20.01.2010 20:14, vasiliy-feoktistov

Nono.gif, definitely not him. Rather Athous sp.

Well, I don't know why.

20.01.2010 20:20, akulich-sibiria

definitely not prost, he has curls all over the pronotum and elytra curling..at the same hedgehog))
OK, I'll try to post that thread later, although there's usually little help on them..
thank you in advance

20.01.2010 20:42, Александр57

The second may be: Prosternon tesselatum Linnaeus, 1758. Are there any conifers nearby?

The pines aren't very far away. Floodplain-type meadows, lush mixed grasses, I remember. But on the Prosternon tesselatum (Mosaic Nutcracker) I do not agree, that one was determined, that one is different.
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20.01.2010 23:43, I.solod

For akulich-sibiria
on dromius, the photo shows
Dromius angusticollis Sahlb. It is characterized by such a narrow prsp.
I wrote to you several times in a personal account, but there was no response, maybe the messages just didn't reach me.
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21.01.2010 6:38, akulich-sibiria

For akulich-sibiria
on dromius, the photo shows
Dromius angusticollis Sahlb. It is characterized by such a narrow prsp.
I wrote to you several times in a personal account, but there was no response, maybe the messages just didn't reach me.


not a single message was received...Strangely, there were never any problems with this.
About the beetle, I still have disagreements here. I identified bark beetle predators from Nikitsky, where this genus is quite well represented. My beetle has clear bristle-bearing pores on the 3rd gap, this is not indicated for angusticollis. On the pronotum there are very weak transverse wrinkles, it is difficult to count, but I think there are about 15 of them.I also thought it was on laeviceps/ I can certainly be mistaken

21.01.2010 13:04, Dmitry Vlasov

2Aleksandr57 1- Cidnipus minutus; 2- Athous sp. (niger or hirtus); 3 - Cidnopus aeruginosus....

21.01.2010 15:52, I.solod

Dromius laeviceps is a completely different habit - I caught a lot of them myself - and the beetle is rare, but in some places it is not uncommon.
all your listed signs - these are the signs of angusticollis I really haven't read Nikitsky's theses, we need to get acquainted with them now - - look at the Opr. DV. T 3, part 1. p. 219 - there everything is as you say-one to one, and the drawing of the prsp with wrinkles on p. 218: 156-2 And according to European determinants-everything goes fine - I have it from different places as well.
Write to me at my contact email address - iasolodov@mail.ru

This post was edited by I. solod - 21.01.2010 15: 53

21.01.2010 18:25, chebur

Please help me with these elephants.
1. 07.06.09 Chekhov district of the Moscow region
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2. 13.06.09 Chekhov district of the Moscow region
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I was sitting on this seat.
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3. 24.06.09 Moscow, mixed forest
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4. 31.05.09 Voronezh region, Divnogorye khutor, chalk hills
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21.01.2010 18:41, akulich-sibiria

Indeed, in the DV determinant, this type is suitable, it will be necessary to understand why there are such inconsistencies, I will check it thoroughly tomorrow with binoculars.
1. I have another Dromius, which I think is D. quadraticollis 6 mm. There are big wrinkles on the forehead. Pronotum transverse. Bristle-bearing pores only on the 7th interval, on the 3rd there is only one on the top of the elytra. The color is dark brown, the edges of the elytra are lighter.
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2. another question about Cassida leaf beetle 6 mm. On nadkrlyakh there are hardly noticeable protruding bristles. The seam has a noticeable edge. Everything seems to be suitable for vibex , but I'm not satisfied with the color of the elytra, can it be brown, not green??
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21.01.2010 18:46, akulich-sibiria

elephant # 2 probably Tanymecus palliatus (Fabricius, 1787)

21.01.2010 18:49, Алексей Сажнев

Well, if the " pronotum is transverse. Bristle-bearing pores only on the 7th interval, on the 3rd there is only one on the top of the elytra.", i.e. Dromius (Dromius) quadraticollis A. Morawitz, 1862
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21.01.2010 19:02, Александр57

Nutcrackers: 1-Cidnipus minutus; 2-Athous sp. (niger or hirtus); 3-Cidnopus aeruginosus....

Thank you, and also to all the participants. Vsezhe as rod correctly? Confusion in the network.
1 - Cidnopus minutus = Limonius minutus;
2-More like in Russian: Hairy Nutcracker-Athous hirtus=Hemicrepidius hirtus;
3 - Cidnopus aeruginosus=Limonius aeruginosus

21.01.2010 19:07, akulich-sibiria

Please help me with these elephants.
1. 07.06.09 Chekhov district of the Moscow region
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2. 13.06.09 Chekhov district of the Moscow region
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3. 24.06.09 Moscow, mixed forest
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4. 31.05.09 Voronezh region, Divnogorye farm, chalk hills
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or maybe Phyllobius pomaceus (=urticae)

21.01.2010 19:17, Александр57

Nutcrackers: 1-Cidnipus minutus; 2-Athous sp. (niger or hirtus); 3-Cidnopus aeruginosus....

It looks like this:
1-Limonius minutus; 2-Hemicrepidius hirtus; 3-Cidnopus aeruginosus

21.01.2010 22:15, Bad Den


2. another question about Cassida leaf beetle 6 mm. On nadkrlyakh there are hardly noticeable protruding bristles. The seam has a noticeable edge. Everything seems to be suitable for vibex , but I'm not satisfied with the color of the elytra, can it be brown, not green??

Maybe. Cassids often (almost always) fade.

22.01.2010 1:33, omar

1. Phyllobius oblongus
2. Tanymecus palliatus
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22.01.2010 8:25, akulich-sibiria

Please tell me, I have recently most of the forum has become in English, is this the format of the forum now?
Where did fornax13 get lost? Here I have staffs hung...))

22.01.2010 8:27, akulich-sibiria

Maybe. Cassids often (almost always) fade.


That is, it is vibex and it turns out. I have about a dozen in the collections and all of them are without green color, but with hairs on the elytra. What other species can have them

22.01.2010 9:57, Victor Titov

I have about a dozen in my training camps and all of them are not green

The color of the dead Cassida should not be guided at all, it changes beyond recognition. Just remember (mark) what he was like when he was alive (captured).

22.01.2010 21:45, SlavaT

That is, it is vibex and it turns out. I have about a dozen in the collections and all of them are without green color, but with hairs on the elytra. What other species might have them

Most likely, this is C. vibex, but the hairs on the elytra are present in a whole group of species

22.01.2010 22:04, SlavaT

Please help me identify two cruciferous fleas. All taken in the south of the Moscow region on June 21 and July 8, 2009. I think it's probably Phyllotreta armoraciae and Phyllotreta nigripes. But, most likely, I'm definitely wrong with the first one.

The first one is definitely not Psylliodes (if you don't believe it, count the segments of the antennae - the photo is excellent). This is a Longitarsus, very similar to a very common species, but to be 100% sure, you need to get an edeagus, this is a male, the edeagus is still there)
The second is the female Altica. A female, even with her genitals removed, is unlikely to be identified.
For a superficial definition of chrysomelids, I recommend the site of a Polish colleague, the address cannot be given, so search through Google for the author of the site and the family of leaf beetles (Borowiec Chrysomelidae). There are photos of 95% of the fauna of European Russia and neighboring countries.
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23.01.2010 17:17, sergey nyu

Please help me identify it. Caught in May-July 2009 Vladimir region. Petushinsky district, pos. Kostino. mol.gif mol.gif picture: DSC00743.JPG[attachmentid ()=80504]picture: DSC00749.JPGpicture: DSC00756.JPG
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I forgot to mention that the goldfish was caught in the Uzunkol Gorge in the KCR in August 2009.

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23.01.2010 17:25, vasiliy-feoktistov

1и2) Lamia textor (Linnaeus, 1758)
3) Protaetia (Liocola) marmorata marmorata (Fabricius., 1792) (= lugubris Herbst, 1786)
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23.01.2010 17:33, Алексей Сажнев

1. Lamia textor (Linnaeus, 1758)
2. Protaetia (Liocola) marmorata (Fabricius., 1792)
3. Peltis (Zimioma) grossa Linnaeus, 1758 probably
4,5. most likely Anoplotrupes stercorosus (Scriba, 1791)

I don't remember the goldsmiths

8. Diaperis boleti (Linnaeus, 1758)
9,10. Phosphuga atrata (Linnaeus, 1758)

This post was edited by Alexey Sazhnev - 23.01.2010 17: 52
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23.01.2010 17:40, vasiliy-feoktistov

 
I don't remember the goldsmiths

Acmaeodera sp. apparently (you need to specify)

23.01.2010 17:40, Алексей Сажнев

Nope, not Acmaeodera

23.01.2010 17:44, vasiliy-feoktistov

Nope, not Acmaeodera

Well then PTOSIMINI can be.

23.01.2010 17:46, vasiliy-feoktistov

3rd from the end Diaperis boleti
last Phosphuga atrata
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