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Identification of Lepidoptera (Butterflies and Moths)

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25.06.2018 20:59, Ilia Ustiantcev

Here on the news they talk about the ermine moth in Golyanovo, which destroyed only the willows. Is it only rorella maybe? Go catch something?


Can't it be cheryomukhovaya? I just have a bird cherry in Pestovo in this state in some places, I recently collected a bunch of pupating caterpillars, small by eye, the result is 27 butterflies and 12 riders.

25.06.2018 21:01, Vlad Proklov

Can't it be cheryomukhovaya? I just have a bird cherry in Pestovo in this state in some places, I recently collected a bunch of pupating caterpillars, small by eye, the result is 27 butterflies and 12 riders.

No-well, if it eats willows, it eats willows... smile.gif
In Golyanovo, willows can be found near the pond to the north of Baikalskaya Street. (it is a 15-minute walk from Shchelkovskaya metro station)

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 25.06.2018 21: 03
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25.06.2018 23:28, Andrey Ponomarev

M. O., Poplar 25.06.2018
Campaea margaritaria?
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25.06.2018 23:40, Ilia Ustiantcev

Uh, it doesn't look like it at all, Trisateles emortualis is really big this year.
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26.06.2018 0:56, Zum-Graat

Moscow region, June 23, thickets of grass near the river.

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26.06.2018 1:32, vidjl

Moscow region, June 23, thickets of grass near the river.

Deltote bankiana
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26.06.2018 13:42, AlexIva

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27.06.2018 9:13, Novak

Please help me with the definition.
Middle Volga region

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27.06.2018 10:09, Alexandr Zhakov

Please help me with the definition.
Middle Volga region

Coenonympha glycerion
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27.06.2018 11:28, Alexandr Zhakov

Middle Volga
Region June 2018

2. Melitaea phoebe
3. Acronicta leporina
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27.06.2018 14:02, MiLLeNium Niobius

June 10-15, Ryazan region.

Group A. Day butterflies
1. Hawthorn Aporia crataegi? A very large butterfly relative to our other whiteflies. Meadow near the village, feeding on Carnation-grass.
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2. Tyria jacobaeae? If it is, I found its caterpillars there last year. A field overgrown with young pines.
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3. In the garden, feeding on Veronica longleaf. Golubyanka same?
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4. Also in the garden, collects moisture from the soil, stubbornly did not want to fly away, apparently very thirsty tortured)
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Group B. Nocturnal butterflies. All were shot in the same biotope-a light pine forest with an undergrowth of sedge and raspberry.
5. Moth Cabera pusaria?
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6. I fell right under my feet from a nearby pine tree. She posed so that you could take her in your arms. The wingspan is 51 mm. Hypomecis punctinalis?
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7. In terms of behavior - the exact opposite of the previous one: being startled out of the grass, she ran around the forest with incredible speed and hare maneuvers, changing parking several times smile.gif
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8. A very beautiful contrasting moth, and was found-sitting on a raspberry leaf. Patiently allowed herself to be molested)
Is this also H. punctinalis?
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9. Found sitting on the forest floor.
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10. There are no options, except for Epirrhoe rivata...
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This post was edited by InsideOfDream - 27.06.2018 14: 03

28.06.2018 0:12, maks.malehornov

Friends, hello everyone!
Please tell me how correctly, Nymphalis rizana is an independent species or belongs to the subspecies Aglais urticae?

28.06.2018 6:23, Ольга Титова

For InsideOfDream
10, probably Deltote (Protodeltote) pygarga (Hufnagel, 1766). Take a look, please,
https://insecta.pro/taxonomy/7175. I got the same one yesterday.

This post was edited by Olga Titova - 28.06.2018 06: 24
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28.06.2018 9:58, MiLLeNium Niobius

Olga Titova, thank you, it looks like she really is.

28.06.2018 14:35, vidjl

June 10-15, Ryazan region.

1-yes, Aporia crataegi
2-yes, Tyria jacobaeae
3-Heteropterus morpheus
4-Pyrgus malvae
5-yes, female Cabera pusaria
6,8-Hypomecis punctinalis
7,9 - Hypomecis roboraria
10-yes, Deltote pygarga

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28.06.2018 14:54, vidjl

Friends, hello everyone!
Please tell me how correctly, Nymphalis rizana is an independent species or belongs to the subspecies Aglais urticae?

Now a subspecies, Nymphalis urticae rizana (Moore, 1872), was previously considered a species.
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28.06.2018 14:58, Vlad Proklov

Now a subspecies, Nymphalis urticae rizana (Moore, 1872), was previously considered a species.

Where does this wood come from?
Bozano & Floriani (2012) has a separate view...
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28.06.2018 15:12, vidjl

Where does this wood come from?
Bozano & Floriani (2012) has a separate view...

So my data is outdated smile.gif

28.06.2018 16:03, Vlad Proklov

So my data is outdated smile.gif

Ah, OK. And then I thought -- maybe some other revision came out... =)

28.06.2018 23:29, coriander-lithurgus

Tell me, pliz, type of lepidoptera. It is similar to the scoop of the genus Photedes. But I can't be sure. rolleyes.gif

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28.06.2018 23:42, Vlad Proklov

Tell me, pliz, type of lepidoptera. It is similar to the scoop of the genus Photedes. But I can't be sure. rolleyes.gif

Isn't that Earias?..
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28.06.2018 23:51, vidjl

Isn't that Earias?..

Yes, it looks like E. clorana, yellow version of some kind)
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29.06.2018 0:21, coriander-lithurgus

Isn't that Earias?..

The body shape is very similar to Earias. However, our North Caucasian Earias species are green. Did tropical Earias get knocked up? It's possible, but unlikely. Or maybe this is an atypical color form of one of the species of the genus?

29.06.2018 0:33, vidjl

The body shape is very similar to Earias. However, our North Caucasian Earias species are green. Did tropical Earias get knocked up? It's possible, but unlikely. Or maybe this is an atypical color form of one of the species of the genus?

You have only in the Stavropol region the genus Earias, represented by 2 species, Earias vernana - which is completely different and clorana, this is it. The usual color variation.
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29.06.2018 0:48, Ilia Ustiantcev

Maybe just an ethyl acetate variation? Or what is it that discolors green butterflies in the stain?
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29.06.2018 1:14, vidjl

Such variations are found in all green butterflies from scoops, take for example Calamia tridens, Staurophora celsia, I have completely yellow ones. And Chloeporinae, where this is strongly observed, Pseudoips prasinana, Bena bicolorana have strongly yellow variations. In Nacna malachitis from Acronictinae, yellow variations are even more common than green ones. Just a variation of this, it is unlikely that someone specifically discolored it smile.gif

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29.06.2018 7:14, coriander-lithurgus

Maybe just an ethyl acetate variation? Or what is it that discolors green butterflies in the stain?

Well no. It was the same color when we caught it.

29.06.2018 7:17, coriander-lithurgus

Such variations are found in all green butterflies from scoops, take for example Calamia tridens, Staurophora celsia, I have completely yellow ones. And Chloeporinae, where this is strongly observed, Pseudoips prasinana, Bena bicolorana have strongly yellow variations. In Nacna malachitis from Acronictinae, yellow variations are even more common than green ones. Just a variation of this, it is unlikely that someone specifically discolored it smile.gif

Apparently so it is. It's just that I've never encountered such a color variation before. Thanks for the tip. smile.gif

29.06.2018 9:17, Alexandr Zhakov

Such variations are found in all green butterflies from scoops, take for example Calamia tridens, Staurophora celsia, I have completely yellow ones. And Chloeporinae, where this is strongly observed, Pseudoips prasinana, Bena bicolorana have strongly yellow variations. In Nacna malachitis from Acronictinae, yellow variations are even more common than green ones. Just a variation of this, it is unlikely that someone specifically discolored it smile.gif

Most of these color variations are caused by exposure to an aggressive external environment, and it does not matter in nature, in a stain or in a box. Most of these color variations are in boxes. In nature, they are very rare and again often associated with external factors, not genetics. smile.gif
Yes, this is not done on purpose, on the contrary, it is quite difficult to preserve the green color in a number of species.
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29.06.2018 16:15, vidjl

Most of these color variations are caused by exposure to an aggressive external environment, and it does not matter in nature, in a stain or in a box. Most of these color variations are in boxes. In nature, they are very rare and again often associated with external factors, not genetics. smile.gif
Yes, this is not done on purpose, on the contrary, it is quite difficult to preserve the green color in a number of species.

Not everything is so sad. Yes, where butterflies come face to face with anthropogenic territories, human pollution, mutations, color changes occur, and all this is temporary, until the environment is restored.
For the most part, this is just a protective coloration, mimicry under the state of the environment, and it is precisely laid down genetically. For example, autumn coloring, take the same green scoops, different moths, in summer and autumn they have different shades and colors. This is their protection, disguise for the color of autumn. For the collection in boxes, you need to take proper care, maintain lighting, the right humidity and temperature (which I'm currently doing by the waysmile.gif), by 90%, or even more, you can save collections for many decades. My collection includes very well-preserved specimens of several species of Coenonympha caught back in 1896 by visiting German entomologists in our region, and they have not lost their color at all.

This post was edited by vidjl - 29.06.2018 17: 09

29.06.2018 17:18, coriander-lithurgus

Most of these color variations are caused by exposure to an aggressive external environment, and it does not matter in nature, in a stain or in a box. Most of these color variations are in boxes. In nature, they are very rare and again often associated with external factors, not genetics. smile.gif
Yes, this is not done on purpose, on the contrary, it is quite difficult to preserve the green color in a number of species.

I fully agree with you that the green pigment of many moths is one of the most unstable. I know this in my own practice, and therefore I do not use ethyl acetate, ammonia, or even stains in the classical sense to put green lepidopters to sleep. Just freeze them in the freezer, and then, after thawing, straighten them out. In this case, the color of green butterflies does not suffer at all, unless, of course. in the future, keep the boxes in a dark place.
The shuttle that caused the discussion had an unusual yellow-brown color already at the time of arrival in svetolovushka. This is accurate, since it was obtained by me personally during a field trip. The color change could really be related to the weather features of the current year, which in our area are manifested in abnormal heat and 3 months .drought: the background grass cover has dried up and turned yellow-brown. Perhaps the insects also began to "switch" to the appropriate protective color. smile.gif

29.06.2018 17:53, vidjl

Just freeze them in the freezer, and then, after thawing, straighten them out. In this case, the color of green butterflies does not suffer at all, unless, of course. in the future, keep the boxes in a dark place.

This is good when you live and fish not far from home. On long trips, in the field, you can't take the freezer with you when you're away for a week or two, unless you have a cool car with a built-in freezer smile.gif. You can use instead of any alcohols, saturated saline solution, acts a little longer than alcohol, also well and without consequences on the appearance of the butterfly. Ether is a good thing, but many people can't get it, I finish off my stocks from the 90s. The best way out, still a shot of ammonia, enough microdose, it will not affect the color of the butterfly's wings.

29.06.2018 19:34, coriander-lithurgus

The best way out, still a shot of ammonia, enough microdose, it will not affect the color of the butterfly's wings.

Not always. I tried to put Bena fagan's shuttle girls to sleep in this way. In just a matter of minutes, their wings and backs turned from green to yellow.

29.06.2018 23:38, vidjl

Not always. I tried to put Bena fagan's shuttle girls to sleep in this way. In just a matter of minutes, their wings and backs turned from green to yellow.

I don't believe it! smile.gif Half a bottle probably entered?

This post was edited by vidjl - 29.06.2018 23: 40

30.06.2018 9:15, Gerc77

Hello, please help me in determining the scoop. Minsk city 23-24. 06. 18

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30.06.2018 9:38, Ольга Титова

I hope for help in determining. 22-26 June 2018, Sakhalin.
1033-Xanthorhoe rectantemediana (Wehrli. 1927)?

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30.06.2018 13:31, vidjl

Hello, please help me in determining the scoop. Minsk city 23-24. 06. 18

4 - Autographa gamma
2 - Agrotis exclamationis
3 - Lacanobia contigua
1 - Autographa gamma

30.06.2018 13:32, Gerc77

Thank You

30.06.2018 13:49, vidjl

I hope for help in determining. 22-26 June 2018, Sakhalin.
1033-Xanthorhoe rectantemediana (Wehrli. 1927)?

1-yes, Xanthorhoe rectantemediana
2-Hydrelia sylvata
3-Eupithecia sp., maybe E. kurilensis
http://www.jpmoth.org/Geometridae/Larentii...kurilensis.html
4 - Nycteola asiatica

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30.06.2018 16:16, tomegatherion

1. A large butterfly, it seemed that more hawthorn. Or is this it?
2. Pathia, forest mother-of-pearl?
Taken today in the Nizhny Novgorod region. Thank you.

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