Features of light catching

Your miracle lamp won't work outside the city either. Checked more than once and not only by me. Tested specifically on butterflies because flies, ladybirds or mosquitoes are of little interest to me and my colleagues. Floodlights are also a problem. Very bright, the light is more likely to scare away butterflies than attract. In addition, such spotlights, as in diode energy-saving lamps, have a small component of ultraviolet radiation, which attracts butterflies. I often hear it when traveling, from the local population. They say that there are not enough butterflies to fly, maybe they are extinct, and I answer them, no, they just replaced the lamps in your lanterns, that's the whole secret of "extinction"

And LED UV matrixes? Which wavelength is most attractive to insects?

And what is the most attractive food for a person?
Adherents of the miraculous UV "know for sure" that this is a chocolate cake, and fish and meat are completely unattractive

Strange dispute of course, what flies and what does not, if there are years, it will fly even in the light of a burning candle, checked.
The question is different-in efficiency, it will be better to use samples of different sources where there is UV in the spectrum and reaches a certain intensity (when it is too bright, insects often sit down in 10m from the light source, not very convenient), I eventually came to use:
1. UV housekeeper 26W in tandem with an LED lamp on 11W (I tried it separately, it flies several times better on UV than on LED, I use it exclusively to make it better visible to the eye what has arrived)
2. DRV 160W and again + UV housekeeper for 26W
3. DRL 125W can also be used in tandem with UV housekeeper.

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Here is an example

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I don't really take butterflies, more for beetles...

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Well, finally an experiment! On your photo, it seems that the LED of warm light is applied, and you need cold light. And, nevertheless, the total number and species richness of insects on the right half of your screen is still greater! Not single catholics...

UV savings combined with DRL is pure homeopathy, since the UV flux from the DRL itself is much larger. It is justified if there is no generator and throttle. But you can also use UV diodes with the same success. LEDs are the future. It will not take much time, and the household mercury lamp will become as exotic as nitrocellulose film.

PS And for catching catocals specifically, in general, all this cumbersome svetomuzka is superfluous, just a rag and a bottle are tedious.

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Gentlemen, comrades, boyars.... Has anyone already used such a lamp? How does it feel?

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Gentlemen, comrades, boyars.... Has anyone already used such a lamp? How does it feel?

I didn't use it. But judging by the wavelength in the picture emits hard ultraviolet, "sand in the eyes" is provided if you stand next to it.

I didn't use it. But judging by the wavelength in the picture emits hard ultraviolet, "sand in the eyes" is provided if you stand next to it.

Don't worry. Experience with hard UV is available. Glasses and a cap will help. Yes, and inspection of the screen - after turning off the UV lamp.

Please tell me what lamps to use to attract butterflies at night on a white screen. I will turn them on in the garden from the outlet.

I recently took a photo of 2 nights with a person, I really liked the result (photo attached). He started a gasoline generator, and hung up 2 lamps - u/f saving (like in the picture) and another (like in the other picture). It was without throttle.
He said it was bad to look at them, but we went around and took pictures of butterflies for 3-4 hours every night and it didn't seem to be harmful to our health.
Here is such a bundle to me for power from the outlet. Can you tell me their characteristics - such as the wavelength and other parameters that I can buy in the store?
Or maybe there are better options?



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Well, actually, the whole topic is about this: what kind of lamp to shine on a white screen Opinions diverged.

What a white lamp in the picture-HZ, if without throttle, then probably DRV. It was necessary to take pictures of the inscriptions.

P.S. Recently, a candle in the window LED with a regular cartridge for 15 watts. Bright as the PPC, the landing at a distance of 30 meters is well lit, you can see how bats chase scoops twenty meters away. It flies clearly better than it used to fly on a white fluorescent savings bank of similar power (it is much dimmer, although with traces of UV). Much of what was photographed on that screen also came to my head. "Black" did not try.

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Hello, such a question is overdue... And why aren't poisons, or rather contact insecticides, used when fishing on the screen? The closest thing I've read on this topic is that they put a bucket with ethyl acetate, but this is only in the tropics of some kind it may be advisable, and here, for example, in Lipetsk, if 4 medium wine bottles arrive per night, this is luck. The question is about what works for a week or two, and does not evaporate in hours.

There may be several screens far from each other, or there is simply no way to sit next to each other for five hours, or, as the trip to the Far East showed, when the 3x7 meter screen moves, go there and catch at least the same catocals that arrived-and flew away / ran away.



This post was edited by Neo48-28.08.2022 14: 22

Well, not only do average wine wines fly, but also all sorts of small riffraff in many times larger quantities. It is useless for researchers, but it is an important component of the biocenosis, so automatically poisoning everything that arrives is like catching fish with an electric fishing rod - it is unethical and generally an abomination. And yes. I doubt the effectiveness of household insecticides of contact action against hawk moth - it will take them a long time to sit on the etched screen before they reach Doha. But all the small things you don't need, but, quite possibly, rare, will instantly fall apart - a natural ecocide!

P.S. A bucket of ethyl acetate will only kill those who drown themselves in it. Here is a bucket of chloroform, probably, could help in this situation, and everything unnecessary after the cessation of short-term exposure would come to life and safely fly away. But there is a high chance that you will not catch someone, but you will be caught by the authorities even at the stage of trying to purchase such a monstrous dose.

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natural ecocide!

And here, the main thing is not to confuse. Here's what's in this photo I took deep in an oak forest? That's right, dear forest tenants. And all according to the law.


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Well, yes, if you saw that on the next street someone was stabbed during a robbery, then now you can read with a light conscience yourself quietly steal wallets

Your position is clear, half a step to the Buddhist broom for sweeping the road from insects in front of you and "killing just for food".

I'm closer to the position of foreign entomologists who fumigate a tropical tree so that everything falls off it.

But in general, it is strange to see such views in such a place. Are you interested in hunting chupacabras, by any chance? And then I can find you a friend, not khukhry-mukhry, the red book of the Penza region will not be entrusted to just anyone.

Here Vadim Zaritsky, when we were driving from the ski slope in the photo, said that when he was lecturing, there was a moment when, in the state of Arizona alone, bats eat 240 tons of insects per night. The train structure. So think about how many pieces of mattresses it is.

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Well, bats are one thing, an integral component of the natural biocenosis, which needs to eat, and a person who wants to kill all living things indiscriminately and then throw out 99.99%, just because he is too lazy to spend the night at the screen is something else

Does anyone have experience using a mosquito net as a screen (used on windows)? Interested in its survivability under the influence of natural factors and ultraviolet light from the lamp,

There is no experience, but the idea is so-so - most of the world will pass through. Is this netting white or something? I've never seen them before, but they're usually dark so you don't have to look through the window. Theoretically, it is possible to catch such a net, but it will no longer be a screen, but just a net for detaining insects that wander around the lamp. They will sit well on it, they will not slip off. But it is better then a nylon curtain (or nylon), that at least white. Lives" under the influence of factors " forever. I've got a net made out of it - it's about ten years old, and it's got not only butterflies in it, but also crabs with apricots. Unless you can break through with a twig, but only if you push hard.

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Does anyone have experience using a mosquito net as a screen (used on windows)? I am interested in its survivability under the influence of natural factors and ultraviolet light from the lamp,

Whatever it was,with all the rest,Sinyaev is not a bad collector...Check out the fishing reports, in the Americas, it has all mesh screens.Survivability is less than that of fabric ones.There are obvious advantages,such screens do not sail so much,dry faster and are easier...

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hello everyone!
This year I checked the operation of the mesh screen and the milky white organza screen. If there are identical DRV 150 and split Drl 150 lamps. Plus a UV lamp ( blue UV savings bank). Spring and early summer, the fine grid screen worked much better. The second screen I have for trips(which is milky white), after two trips I did not put it. It wasn't much use.
The guys came to me a week later in Anisimovka and I put this second screen, worked from screen to screen. There is a big difference in quantity. in the direction of the screen from the grid, but the quality on white was better. In the fall, the situation changed towards a white screen, especially after the typhoon on September 5. Both quantity and quality are on white.( Quality means rarity).
I have been doing these experiments for more than 15 years.
Light and lamps tried different and all sorts of things and whatever they say, the option of a pricked DRL and a pair of DRV
is the most. Now I tried different fabrics on the screens.

. Survivability is less than that of the fabric ones.

This means that the grid is incorrect. Look for old curtains. They will outlive the collector (don't take it as a wish for an early demise).

And the main screen in the photo is not mesh, and it lies on the ground. And the grid is there more to stop and delay insects circling around the lamp than to reflect light, so calling it a screen is not entirely appropriate. Its advantage is that the claws of the paws immediately cling, and often slip off the dense fabric. And yet, yes, South America is expected to be rich in butterflies and poor in light pollution, since such a weak bulb flies so brutally. In Russia, in such numbers, only a meadow moth can poperet.

There is no experience, but the idea is so-so - most of the world will pass through. Is this netting white or something? I've never seen them before, but they're usually dark so you don't have to look through the window. Theoretically, it is possible to catch such a net, but it will no longer be a screen, but just a net for detaining insects that wander around the lamp. They will sit well on it, they will not slip off. But it is better then a nylon curtain (or nylon), that at least white. Lives" under the influence of factors " forever. I've got a net made out of it - it's about ten years old, and it's got not only butterflies in it, but also crabs with apricots. Unless you can break through with a twig, but only if you push hard.

I had a question specifically about the mosquito net. I've been fishing myself for decades. In the last five years, I have a screen made of organza, but I want to try dougoe and if anyone has a similar experience, then why not adopt it?

And yet, yes, South America is expected to be rich in butterflies and poor in light pollution, since such a weak bulb flies so brutally. In Russia, in such numbers, only a meadow moth can poperet.

And still no! At my collective farm, on warm and humid June and July nights, the screen looks no worse. The species diversity is perhaps less. I don't use any beaters or DRV - only UV-savings.

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I had a question specifically about the mosquito net.

My answer is very specific: mosquito netting is not some special material produced according to GOST, it is any small mesh stretched on frames to protect against mosquitoes. There are two requirements: that the mosquito does not fly and that at least something can be seen through the window (so it is always dark, which is not very good for catching light). But its mechanical properties can be anything. It even happens that it breaks easily with your hands. Accordingly, the only answer to your question can not be, you need to see and touch each specific grid.

You need a fabric mesh made of nylon or nylon (organoleptically distinguish these two polyamide fibers is impossible, and there is no great practical sense in this). It is used as curtains, so it usually has a pattern, for example, in a flower. But it feels rough. Refers to tulle, but these different tulle exists to a fig and more, you need the most condovy, not organza for sure. Such a person is not afraid of any vicissitudes of nature. The only thing that causes concern is the DRL beater - under its far UV, any synthetic polymer can probably go bad.

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My specific response is:... so that the mosquito does not fly and that at least something can be seen through the window (so it is always dark, which is not very good for catching light). ...

NOT AT ALL!!!

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A very good net, I also sewed a net bag from the same one. I've been using it for ten years now.


The post was edited by Igar - 21.10.2022 21: 51

A very good net, I also sewed a net bag from the same one. I've been using it for ten years now.

It may be good, but even through the monitor you can see that it is completely different from the photo in the post major65. Yours isn't mosquito repellent.

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It may be good, but even through the monitor you can see that it is completely different from the photo in the post major65. Yours isn't mosquito repellent.

I assure you that it is exactly the same. I bought it at a hardware store, but Andrey (major65) has a better photo than me.

... and Andrey (major65) has a better photo than me.

I assure you that there is no such thing! I take pictures on an ancient phone number

... well, the pink color is probably there for glamorous ladies who believe that this is such a decoration, and the rest are quite dark (although black is better). Here-such a grid, as in the photo, easily breaks with your hands after a short time in the sun. If used for its intended purpose-on a window, without mechanical impacts greater than from the impact of a crashed insect-it will last for many years. But it's not exactly suitable for the purposes suggested here. It's also quite heavy. No matter how you approach it, taking it on a hike as a "screen" is not the best idea.

1. Color-perfect white. It's the curtains that shine like that.
2. In the photo-clippings from the nets, which 3 years ago was tightened on top of the nursery for cabbage. So far, not a single hole. Oh, what we just do not.... So the strength is normal.
3. I can't break in 5-6 screens for a season - don't let them break in!
4. Weight doesn't matter - the screen travels in the car.
5. I asked for advice and I am interested in the opinion of those who have some experience using such grids in practice. Theoretical calculations are a huge flood. This concludes the discussion.

I assure you that it is exactly the same. I bought it at a hardware store, but Andrey (major65) has a better photo than me.

Still, I am inclined to trust my own eyes more than the assurances of others. The grid from the previous photo, multi-colored, just such waves on the net will not hang. From it, except that a conical bag can be rolled up, semi-rigid. Not to mention the size of the cells, which the net is clearly smaller. And in the hardware store a lot of things-you can buy different things. And I even admit that all this may have the collective name "mosquito net", which I double-checked in my first post on this topic.

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For the last 10 years, I have been driving with a mosquito net screen, which is ideal for me. Does not sail much, dries quickly (which is ideal if you immediately go after the night, do not worry that it will rot). The only thing is that it is not convenient for beetles, since small beetles run away through the cells, but I am only interested in butterflies, so this is not a problem.

good afternoon. Can someone advise-whether it is worth taking an LED ultraviolet lamp of the Camelion type for a cartridge of 27 (26 W) to include in conjunction with an LED lamp the same cartridge for 30-50 W of cold (or warm) glow? carrying DRL with a throttle is quite difficult in marching conditions

good afternoon. Can someone advise-whether it is worth taking an LED ultraviolet lamp of the Camelion type for a cartridge of 27 (26 W) to include in conjunction with an LED lamp the same cartridge for 30-50 W of cold (or warm) glow? carrying DRL with a throttle is quite difficult in field conditions