Features of light catching

I use independent start-up regulating devices (PRA) of Russian production from Lisma. Independent ones differ from built-in ones in that they can be used outside the lamp body. For DRL 250W, it is called " PRA independent (or sometimes Throttle independent) 1I250DRL44-003 UHL1 IP54 in the case for DRL 250W (Lisma-CATZ Kadoshkino)", here link. It weighs 3 kg. It cost about 1000 rubles. I have one for 250W, and several for 125W. All were purchased from 5 to 2 years ago and work without problems, but you need to connect them first with high quality, do not pull the wires much when transporting and installing the screen, and protect them from direct water ingress. They have an internal protection rating of IP54 (IP = internal protection; in the abbreviation, the first digit out of two indicates the degree of protection against dust, in particular, the number 5 is " partial protection against dust ingress. Complete protection against all types of accidental entry. It is only possible to get dust in an amount that does not interfere with the operation of the device"; the second digit is the moisture protection class, 4 = "Protection against drops or splashes falling from any angle", i.e. they can withstand light rain and high humidity, but you can not pour water on them in jets or immerse them in it). They are quite compact (at 250W approximately 100x100x150mm), protected from breakdown on the case, in a metal case with rubber seals for the cover and wire entries. There are also more protected ones, even IP67, but they are imported and cost much more. They can't be much easier. It is important that the wire from them to the lamp should be as short as possible, preferably no more than 2m, I have generally 1.5 m, and it should also be protected from moisture, flexible, with a cross-section of at least 1.5 mm per core. I hang it on the frame of the screen by a bracket on the body, but you can also put it down, preferably not directly on the ground, but on a piece of board.

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I use independent start-up regulating devices (PRA) of Russian production from Lisma. Independent ones differ from built-in ones in that they can be used outside the lamp body. For DRL 250W, it is called " PRA independent (or sometimes Throttle independent) 1I250DRL44-003 UHL1 IP54 in the case for DRL 250W (Lisma-CATZ Kadoshkino)", here link. It weighs 3 kg. It cost about 1000 rubles. I have one for 250W, and several for 125W. All were purchased from 5 to 2 years ago and work without problems, but you need to connect them first with high quality, do not pull the wires much when transporting and installing the screen, and protect them from direct water ingress. They have an internal protection rating of IP54 (IP = internal protection; in the abbreviation, the first digit out of two indicates the degree of protection against dust, in particular, the number 5 is " partial protection against dust ingress. Complete protection against all types of accidental entry. It is only possible to get dust in an amount that does not interfere with the operation of the device"; the second digit is the moisture protection class, 4 = "Protection against drops or splashes falling from any angle", i.e. they can withstand light rain and high humidity, but you can not pour water on them in jets or immerse them in it). They are quite compact (at 250W approximately 100x100x150mm), protected from breakdown on the case, in a metal case with rubber seals for the cover and wire entries. There are also more protected ones, even IP67, but they are imported and cost much more. They can't be much easier. It is important that the wire from them to the lamp should be as short as possible, preferably no more than 2m, I have generally 1.5 m, and it should also be protected from moisture, flexible, with a cross-section of at least 1.5 mm per core. I hang it on the frame of the screen by a bracket on the body, but you can also put it down, preferably not directly on the ground, but on a piece of board.

Thank you for the information!
But I have a wire to the lamp 10 meters long. How can this affect you?

This post was edited by Alexanor - 03.06.2017 14: 47

  
But I have a wire to the lamp 10 meters long. How can this affect you?

Niacilite. The resistance is too great.

Interestingly, someone with electronic PRA for DRL dealt?

Friends! I searched the Internet for DRL sylvania and saw that there is an ultra-violet DRL sylvania on sale. Is there anything anyone can say for this lamp?

Gentlemen experts, does anyone have any experience "communicating" with such lamps? Should I or shouldn't I take it? Prick - do not prick?

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if such a lamp is used as a "beater", then it can be safely thrown out.

Gentlemen experts, does anyone have any experience "communicating" with such lamps? Should I or shouldn't I take it? Prick - do not prick?

You can not prick, otherwise it will become unusable. But it does not need ballast.

This is the DRV, a lot has been written about the experience of using it.

DRVs are convenient, but 1) you can't prick them and 2) they must be protected from rain.

Flies on them, IMHO, just like on any other-i.e. in different ways. They are more convenient mainly because they do not need ballast-snot, cartridge, plug, and path.

However, a significant part of the power goes into the unnecessary yellow-red spectrum. Although they say that for some groups it is still needed, but I have not encountered such problems.

And you have reliable statistics - with graphs and calculations of DV, errors and all this, on the basis of which you Chotko conclude that the DRV is unsuitable for night fishing?

DRV is more convenient where/when there is neither the desire nor often the ability to carry the entire set of lights for DRL.
How much does a PRA weigh? And how much - everything else?

Who says it's unusable? Even kerosene in the old days managed to catch. Just theoretically, everything should be even worse than the DRL, which many, by the way, confirm. Alas, you won't get any statistics from me, we have a curfew for the fourth year, you are supposed to stay at home at night.

The simplest option - a piece of diode tape is wound on any suitable cylindrical frame, for example, on a piece of plastic pipe. The length of the tape depends on the capacity of the acc.
If the battery is leaded, you also need a discharge indicator to avoid over-discharging the battery.
I used such a kit - acc. from the uninterruptible power supply 7 A / h + 1.2 m of tape + a homemade indicator with an audible alarm.

And who has had experience using UV LED strip? Now I Googled it, found "ultraviolet" tapes for 12 volts. In theory, it would be possible to assemble a lighting kit with a motorcycle battery, so that you can climb to the top of the mountain with the light and shine it. The DRL core generator is certainly more efficient, but it is very heavy. The whole question is, in what range do they emit and is it possible to catch them?

This post was edited by Bianor - 26.06.2017 11: 46

I use independent start-up regulating devices (PRA) of Russian production from Lisma. Independent ones differ from built-in ones in that they can be used outside the lamp body. For DRL 250W, it is called " PRA independent (or sometimes Throttle independent) 1I250DRL44-003 UHL1 IP54 in the case for DRL 250W (Lisma-CATZ Kadoshkino)", here link. It weighs 3 kg. It cost about 1000 rubles. I have one for 250W, and several for 125W. All were purchased from 5 to 2 years ago and work without problems, but you need to connect them first with high quality, do not pull the wires much when transporting and installing the screen, and protect them from direct water ingress. They have an internal protection rating of IP54 (IP = internal protection; in the abbreviation, the first digit out of two indicates the degree of protection against dust, in particular, the number 5 is " partial protection against dust ingress. Complete protection against all types of accidental entry. It is only possible to get dust in an amount that does not interfere with the operation of the device"; the second digit is the moisture protection class, 4 = "Protection against drops or splashes falling from any angle", i.e. they can withstand light rain and high humidity, but you can not pour water on them in jets or immerse them in it). They are quite compact (at 250W approximately 100x100x150mm), protected from breakdown on the case, in a metal case with rubber seals for the cover and wire entries. There are also more protected ones, even IP67, but they are imported and cost much more. They can't be much easier. It is important that the wire from them to the lamp should be as short as possible, preferably no more than 2m, I have generally 1.5 m, and it should also be protected from moisture, flexible, with a cross-section of at least 1.5 mm per core. I hang it on the frame of the screen by a bracket on the body, but you can also put it down, preferably not directly on the ground, but on a piece of board.

In this topic, some time ago they wrote about the possibility of using ballast that is much more compact and lightweight (many times lighter than the standard PRA weighing 3-4 kg) from sticks and ropes of capacitors, etc. How much I tried to find a factory one, I could not. Do they exist? Or perhaps there is a working diagram for self-assembly of such a device?

In this topic, some time ago they wrote about the possibility of using ballast that is much more compact and lightweight (many times lighter than the standard PRA weighing 3-4 kg) from sticks and ropes of capacitors, etc. How much I tried to find a factory one, I could not. Do they exist? Or perhaps there is a working diagram for self-assembly of such a device?

As far as I understand, there is no such ballast. For the organization of lighting, it is simply not necessary, because a conventional throttle is cheaper, simpler and more reliable.

This post was edited by okoem - 30.08.2017 16: 33

There is one called EPRA, but it is expensive and not widely used.

It is quite widespread, relatively expensive, has a high power factor, high efficiency, a wide range of operating voltages, low light ripples.
It is used when making a special product.assess working conditions and recommend reducing the ripple of lighting. In general, it is enough to read its advantages to understand that electromagnetic launchers have outlived their time, especially since their service life is now very low if you buy cheap galad, for example.

This post was edited by alex017 - 31.08.2017 06: 00

It is quite widespread, relatively expensive, has a high power factor, high efficiency, a wide range of operating voltages, low light ripples.
It is used when making a special product.assess working conditions and recommend reducing the ripple of lighting. In general, it is enough to read its advantages to understand that electromagnetic launchers have outlived their time, especially since their service life is now very low if you buy cheap galad, for example.

And is it possible to give a reference to the EPRA specifically for DRL lamps with a power of 125-250 W, which would be significantly lighter than the EMPRA and would be mass-produced?

Just 3 and a half hours ago, I made a new attempt to shine a ribbon. The sun in the steppe gully. In general, the conditions for this were better yesterday, as it was warmer and there was no wind, but this is a weekday working day, so it is inconvenient to do this. The wind was cold today, but not very cold. When I left the house after 6 o'clock, the thermometer was 15 degrees, and at 23:00 it remained so. The weather is overcast, even trying to rain. I arrived at the place already in the dark, the screen was spread out on the ground. First I shone the light for 15 minutes, then I decided to move to a place a little higher and from which it is more visible, although it is also imperfect. Ideally, the top was on the other side of the beam, because there were no bushes there, but it was risky to move there with a bicycle, because I already had a tradition of piercing the wheels with thorns, and I didn't want to throw the bike on this side, and I didn't want to seal the holes in the dark. However, butterflies sometimes flew in the light, but they did not react to it at all, behaved as if there was no source at all. Only when I was already cleaning up everything after an hour and 10 minutes (21:10), I saw one scoop, a gray one, sitting on the screen, but, disturbed, flew away. So, we can say that there is already some kind of shift. I walked around the bushes (hawthorn, elderberry, blackthorn, rosehip) with a flashlight, there were only Colotois pennaria, 4 pieces per evening, and so, if you continue to search, you can find at least 10. In general, I will try again.

This post was edited by Wave Storm - 07.10.2017 23: 43

Today, at 12.10 pm, I got out into the floodplains of the Dnieper River to shine a light. I installed the screen from improvised means. The sky was cloudless, but there was almost no wind, and it was still and calm, and there was no moon. The situation is the same as in Balka: butterflies fly (I saw even more of them today than there), but they don't pay attention to the light source, as if it doesn't exist at all. Only one butterfly made two approaches (zigzag, as described in the literature), but did not land on the screen and then flew away further. Only small midges were sitting on the screen.



Probably these tapes are different in the spectrum. I will now look in the direction of energy-saving lamps, as much as I would like, LED and kerosene-potash lamps. My LED strip didn't pay off.

Then you have some wrong butterflies. This evening, some kind of large dustpan flew to me (but did not get wet) on the window, despite the fact that only one 75-watt incandescent light bulb was on inside, and outside it was drizzling for a day, the wind was blowing and the temperature did not rise above +12. But I didn't go out on the balcony to get a better look - with the current cold autumn, I had to dig it prematurely.

Here, another one arrived, smaller and with a wide black sash on the underside of the base of the abdomen (maybe the specialists will find out). Miracles: in early August, when the weather was dry and the temperature in the night was under 30, it flew worse.

ENO, back in September, while it was still warm, all sorts of scoops and moths flew at the entrance to the incandescent lamp, and scoops are not only in the form of scales and armigers. And now-no one.

Come on, no one, we have a full entrance of all sorts of moths, shovels and moths)

We are going from Oleshkinsky sands, about 30 species of scoops and moths this night.

Hierophis, that's how I talked about my entrance.

Djon, you caught on DRL after all? And how did the butterflies behave: did they land on the screen or fly past?

Today, at 12.10 pm, I got out into the floodplains of the Dnieper River to shine a light. I installed the screen from improvised means. The sky was cloudless, but there was almost no wind, and it was still and calm, and there was no moon. The situation is the same as in Balka: butterflies fly (I saw even more of them today than there), but they don't pay attention to the light source, as if it doesn't exist at all. Only one butterfly made two approaches (zigzag, as described in the literature), but did not land on the screen and then flew away further. Only small midges were sitting on the screen.

Probably these tapes are different in the spectrum. I will now look in the direction of energy-saving lamps, as much as I would like, LED and kerosene-potash lamps. My LED strip didn't pay off.

Still, LEDs alone are not enough. We need an ultraviolet element. If these two links are combined, the screen will not be empty . Butterflies will fly to the ultraviolet, and the LED strip will calm their ardor and make them sit on the screen. Or DRL. I myself, when I was little, read that butterflies fly to the light, so I took out a cartridge, put an ordinary incandescent lamp there, hung up a large white screen that I found and left it for the night. In the morning, there were a few species of micra and one instance of Hypomecis punctinalis or something close. So what I mean is that it's not for nothing that a whole topic is highlighted for night fishing, so there are a lot of hunting methods, but only a few effective ones.

A long time ago Okoyom laid out a converter for CFL, on the basis of that scheme I made converters and this season I watched years using CFL 38W, I liked it
The efficiency there is not much lower than the LEDs in a straight line, from ak.. 12V 12Ah 38W stable 3 hours of light.
Although, of course, the result is strange for diodes, probably butterflies also do not like this dead LED light))

At okoyom, after all, it flies to the white cold ribbon.

Well, since Djon had more than 30 types of scoops and moths yesterday, it means that this is my specific feed. I just read in the same topic that there are periods in the year when butterflies do not land on anything at all, although they fly, so I asked a question about this.

It may also be a matter of choosing the place of fishing, this is at least )
In general, such conclusions are poorly scientific and similar to the well-known conclusions of anyone who knows, it would be possible to assume that the feed is bad by comparative statistics or control.
And so all this is roughly similar to if I caught a worm in a puddle today, and my friend Valera caught peas in the river, Valera caught 3kg of carp, and I caught two plane leaves.
Will it change if I fish in a puddle again tomorrow, but for peas?)))

This post was edited by Hierophis - 13.10.2017 21: 41

Hierophis, and I do not pretend to be scientific in my conclusions. I tried (and, by the way, more than once, and not only in that place) - it didn't work out. other people do exactly the same in this topic with other sources.

Djon, you caught on DRL after all? And how did the butterflies behave: did they land on the screen or fly past?

Four screens were installed at a distance of 50-150 m from each other. Two stationary screens with a central bend at an angle of 120 and two trap screens with 4 blades were used. The light sources were DRL-250, DRV-250 and 160 and UV EBT-01 26w E27. Moreover, the stationary screens were illuminated from two sides of the DRL And DRV, one with the addition of UV. Trap screens one with DRL-250, the other with UV EBT-01 26w E27. According to the general opinion, the decisive factor in the species diversity and number of butterflies that arrived was not the design of the screen and the power and number of light bulbs, but the location of the screen on the ground. more species and a constant approach of butterflies was on the screen, where there was the least air movement, cover from the wind and no drafts. The single UV trap screen EBT-01 26w E27 successfully competed with other screens. Butterflies mostly flew to the screen, some probably flew past, but mostly the light lured. Although heavy dew fell, the arrival of butterflies was noted until 5 am.

There is one called EPRA, but it is expensive and not widely used.

It is quite widespread, relatively expensive, has a high power factor, high efficiency, a wide range of operating voltages, low light ripples.

No links - empty words.

The situation is the same as in Balka: butterflies fly (I saw even more of them today than there), but they don't pay attention to the light source, as if it doesn't exist at all. ... My LED strip didn't pay off.

I just read in the same topic that there are periods in the year when butterflies do not land on anything at all, although they fly, so I asked a question about this.

It may also be a particularly bad feed. But, in general, butterflies fly past any lamps, including DRL, this is normal. Phototaxis varies from species to species (many are very low), and not all the butterflies that are nearby fly up to the lamp, but only some part of them. Therefore, when the year is generally weak, then 20 butterflies will fly to the DRL, and 0 to the diodes.
Based on my experience of almost daily DRL illumination in the Crimea, I can say that over the past month in those two points where I am lit, the growth is either very weak or even close to zero. For example, only 1 butterfly arrived yesterday - Aplocera plagiata. If this situation is now all over the south of Ukraine, then it is not surprising that nothing flies to the diodes.

According to the general opinion, the decisive factor in the species diversity and number of butterflies that arrived was not the design of the screen and the power and number of light bulbs, but the location of the screen on the ground. more species and a constant approach of butterflies was on the screen, where there was the least air movement, cover from the wind and no drafts.

Djon, what about the height of the light source? In the sand, you can put both on a hill and in a lowland. Since more species were flying to the screen that had wind cover and the least air movement, then I understand that the screen in the lowlands was located somewhere near the hill?

This post was edited by Wave Storm - 14.10.2017 20: 20

We were in the southern part, in the Burkut region, where there are no high hills, all the screens were almost at the same height. There were small elevations of 1-2 m but very gentle. There were spikes of the Dnieper birch, and somewhere there was a lull. But it doesn't always work.

So, on 27.10 I made a new fishing attempt, but this time with the lamp that Djon told me about. I came to Balka and chose a place. Somehow I hung the lamp on a stick, turned it on at 17: 40. It was still light, but it was getting dark. I waited for 40 minutes, didn't see anything special and went into the bushes to look for moths. Pennary this time was not, met a couple of males defoliarii, fingerfly. Went back - nothing pyadenichno-sovochnogo. I walked a little more down in the bottom of the gullies on the steppe, and then the rain began to fall. While walking, I met a male Ulochlaena hirta. I decided to leave through the other side of the beam, moved the bike there, got wet and froze. When I got back to the lamp, it was already past seven, the rain had just stopped, and there were butterflies ! There are 20 pieces of hyrt on the sheet and near it, a few gray moth moth, some more moth moth, also single representatives of micro. I soon began to signal the inverter about the discharge, the lamp began to blink, I began to get ready to go home. But now I know for sure that Delux EBT-01 26w UV is a really working thing in terms of attracting butterflies.

By the way, when I cleaned up everything, I illuminated my surroundings with a bicycle LED light, and the hirts flew up to it and sat under its light. And then, all the way to the bridge over the Dnieper River, moths flew in the lamplight. On the other side, too, a few butterflies flew by, but that was all, it was still a city.

Delux EBT-01 26w UV-it really works in terms of attracting butterflies thing.

After all, UV rules