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19.11.2009 16:42, Pavel Morozov

I wanted to show off something.
Give me three boxes, I think."
Some of my Notodontidae.

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21.11.2009 10:47, DavBaz

Well Pavel also inspired me to do great things: a box of Argynnis and two with Colias

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26.11.2009 14:49, Yakovlev

And there are butterflies in Siberia

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28.11.2009 4:14, guest: sivkovdm

Hello!

I am very far from entomology, but it turned out that our family has preserved a collection of butterflies of the late XIX-XX centuries, two boxes. Descriptions, catalogues, and most of the collection are lost.
Tell me, can the collection be of commercial interest, or let it hang? The condition of butterflies is difficult to assess, we have been trying not to touch them for the last twelve years

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28.11.2009 5:56, Konung

Hello!

I am very far from entomology, but it turned out that our family has preserved a collection of butterflies of the late XIX-early XX centuries, two boxes. Descriptions, catalogues, and most of the collection are lost.
Tell me, can the collection be of commercial interest, or let it hang? The condition of butterflies is difficult to assess, we have been trying not to touch them for the last twelve years

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do you have labels under the butterflies?

28.11.2009 13:38, Evgenich

guest: sivkovdm
There is an "Advanced Form"button next to the message window. Log in to it and you can attach a file there. If you don't have such a button, you need to register. smile.gif

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29.11.2009 16:05, sivkovdm

There are no labels, only numbers, and the catalog is lost.
I sort of registered, and when I try to enter the rasch form, I throw it out with the words: You can't participate in this forum (either you don't have any rights - for example, the forum is only for registered participants, or your rights to participate are blocked)...

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30.11.2009 19:28, okoem

and only as a last resort to collect.
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Pros will not buy material without labels, unless they are amateurs, but they are unlikely to want to pay the real price

Why is collecting only a last resort? Let them collect, IMHO if the fees are labelled, then they are never superfluous.

IMHO, the real price is the price that was paid. What price can be real for materia?.. for dried insects without labels?
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30.11.2009 21:56, Konstantin Shorenko

There are no labels, only numbers, and the catalog is lost.
I sort of registered, and when I try to enter the rasch form, I throw it out with the words: You can't participate in this forum (either you don't have any rights - for example, the forum is only for registered participants, or your rights to participate are blocked)...

If I understand correctly, the posted photo is the same collection of the 19th century? If so, then most likely you were cruelly deceived - in the 19th century, butterflies were NEVER displayed like this, I looked at different collections and all of them were characterized by mathematical accuracy in the construction of species, genera and families. Plus, it's hard to imagine such a good preservation of butterflies, if you are 20 years old to them!!! (I don't say anything about the 19th century at all) they didn't touch or etch smile.gifit . Bottom line - what you posted is the usual commercial collections that you can buy at any pet store.
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30.11.2009 23:05, taler

Denis, here's how to take a look.After all, you can not buy a "material" and write it.And why?For the sake of science, I decided to classify something,so use the collections in museums and amateurs.
To be honest(I collect stamps of Nobel laureates), I did not notice that they would strive for the" Nobel " for commercial reasons.

My post is missing.It sounded like this-I've seen scientific collections, hardly any collector would want to buy them.

30.11.2009 23:09, taler

If I understand correctly, the posted photo is the same collection of the 19th century? If so, then most likely you were cruelly deceived - in the 19th century, butterflies were NEVER displayed like this, I looked at different collections and all of them were characterized by mathematical accuracy in the construction of species, genera and families. Plus, it's hard to imagine such a good preservation of butterflies, if you are 20 years old to them!!! (I don't say anything about the 19th century at all) they didn't touch or etch smile.gifit . Bottom line - what you have posted is the usual commercial collections that you can buy at any pet store.

That's for sure!I exhibited here a long time ago a collection of beetles of the early 20th century(maybe someone remembers), its condition,alas, was terrible, BUT!, all the beetles were labeled and lined by birth.
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01.12.2009 15:46, Трофим

If I understand correctly, the posted photo is the same collection of the 19th century? If so, then most likely you were cruelly deceived - in the 19th century, butterflies were NEVER displayed like this .... Plus, it's hard to imagine such a good preservation of butterflies, if you are 20 years old to them!!! ....Bottom line - what you have posted is the usual commercial collections that you can buy at any pet store.
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That's right.... and I didn't even think about it. teapot.gif

01.12.2009 17:01, Victor Titov

Pros will not buy material without labels, unless they are amateurs, but they are unlikely to want to pay the real price

Well, it depends on which fans. A real collector, even a terry lover, hardly needs a copy without a label. And those who simply color the walls for the interior with butterflies can buy it. But they are not even amateurs (in the sense in which this word was usually used on this forum).
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01.12.2009 19:27, Andylog

There are no labels, only numbers, and the catalog is lost.
I sort of registered, and when I try to enter the rasch form, I throw it out with the words: You can't participate in this forum (either you don't have any rights - for example, the forum is only for registered participants, or your rights to participate are blocked)...

In the second box, the second one from the top right seems to be Teinopalpus imperialis. Yes, and in the first box - Ornithoptera croesus, Morpho cypris. These types, of course, are commercial, but not the cheapest. Of course, the collection has no scientific value. But the aesthetic value-yes, quite.

01.12.2009 23:06, sivkovdm

well, well, just a few days, 1.5 thousand attempts and I got here....

We were not deceived by the time of collecting, there was no one and no reason for it, we did not buy butterflies, inheritance. Collected not the last in Nizhny Novgorod and not a poor man, one of the managers of the steamship company "Samolet", traveler, collector, grew orchids. They told me that there were still beetles and, like, more butterflies. During the war, they gave it to a museum and catalogues in the same place. Basically, if it's in Lower, you can try to find it though ... hardly any more.
In addition to the grandmother's stories about the owner of butterflies, etc. (and she did not know him personally), correspondence and other things dated from the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries were preserved.

01.12.2009 23:11, sivkovdm

it seems to be better a little photo

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01.12.2009 23:13, sivkovdm

Grell is his last name
In NSU it would be necessary to get somehow, I already thought about
them The collection, unfortunately, is not in the best shape, some fell off, broke down, crumbled. Here is touch and boimsa

01.12.2009 23:53, sivkovdm

I, in principle, did not think once about how and why they collect and display butterflies. I've only seen these and one at a time in souvenir shops. Judging by the appearance and composition of our collection in comparison with those presented here, apparently a person ... how to say, for beauty, that whether they collected. It is unlikely that all the insects were suddenly mixed up for some purpose.
Or maybe on the territorial basis of what?
They said that he caught it himself, something like sent. To be honest, I didn't see anything related to insects in the one that came down to me.

02.12.2009 10:47, Yakovlev

Keep it for yourself. In those years, these butterflies were worth 20 times more than now.

02.12.2009 11:45, taler

To be honest,the most popular types are there.Moreover, from all over the world.At the same time, the most banal ones are missing(those that are mostly caught).Just like a modern purchase.Maybe the pins will be able to tell something else-from what I have, you can immediately see that it smacks of antiquity-the pins are long, black, thick.
Regarding the sale-most types are on sale,and the quality is incomparably better.But maybe someone will buy at a third of the price.

02.12.2009 19:23, RippeR

On the other hand, such an old collection even without locality labels is good - it is many years old! And the name of the collector and approximate years are known. Well, not bad, if you look at it. It's not bad if such a collection gets to the museum, at least with some information.
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03.12.2009 1:01, sivkovdm

As a matter of fact the question of selling disappeared without being formed :- ) Since no one here rushed to offer $ $ $ $ $ or $$$ or at least $$ and in general in any way, and no specific figure was even announced for any butterfly, it means that the possible revenue, to put it mildly, is far from solving our needs. Which, in general, is also not bad, my son will be like me, luring girls to play tricks :D
So, I was wondering if the oohs and aahs of our friends have any monetary value. Philistines in general.
Only here they would not have crumbled to his little girls, another 10-15 years ... frown.gif

PS speaking of the price in those years: yesterday my mother remembered, she found the collector's heiress in her youth. She told me that they lived poorly - they had to take the piano to the dacha, there was smile.gifno

05.12.2009 13:31, Pavel Morozov

Hey, philosophers!
don't forget what the theme is called?
I haven't forgotten.

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05.12.2009 13:44, DavBaz

And I remembered smile.gif

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05.12.2009 16:06, RippeR

We need to start philosophical conversations more often, maybe then collectors will remember more often about the collections smile.gif

05.12.2009 17:22, DavBaz

Nymphalis after Parnassus

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05.12.2009 17:39, Pavel Morozov

We need to start philosophical conversations more often, maybe then collectors will remember about collections more often smile.gif

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07.12.2009 11:57, Tigran Oganesov

Flood postponed here
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07.12.2009 22:09, александр барышев

A few pigeons and a pest collection smile.gif

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07.12.2009 22:49, Alvin

A few pigeons and a pest collection smile.gif

Why the pest in the photo looks like a security guard wink.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

07.12.2009 23:38, Frantic

Not the worst "pest".. Very cutesmile.gif
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09.12.2009 0:16, Black Coleopter

Lovely little cat!!! The collection is also good!!!
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11.12.2009 19:07, vitalbata

I haven't shown it yet. A little noctuidae. The boxes are still half-empty, but this is temporary. By the way, the boxes themselves are homemade. But there are also Czech ones.

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12.12.2009 23:09, Polyctor

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13.12.2009 19:13, vitalbata

A little more day food in Czech boxes and moths in homemade products.

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13.12.2009 20:50, DavBaz

I added a little bit to my collection of egg yolks....black heos females must be laid out in close-up in the appropriate topic..

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14.12.2009 3:44, Karat

What heos females! yes, a close-up photo in the studio! and with plz labels...
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14.12.2009 8:14, Yakovlev

a little bit of swallowtail.
There's Hospiton and Camchadalus and all that North American stuff.

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14.12.2009 8:57, Vlad Proklov

a little bit of swallowtail.
There's Hospiton and Camchadalus and all that North American stuff.

Solyanka noble - but ustakanit would be in the regions!
Just to test your guesses?

And what is Alexanor doing there? He's a protovid to all sorts of American glaucuses?
Yes, and ksut - do not sew on the sleeve...

14.12.2009 9:23, Yakovlev

At first, I put only the USSR. Then came America and Japan... It is necessary to arrange-I agree.
There are a lot of things here: Europe, Mongolia, Sakhalin, Tuva-Altai, Yakutia, Magadan.

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