Hesperiidae

If everything goes well, then next summer I can try to make a nuclear ITS2 for this group. Only you will need more undamaged copies from Portugal-Spain-France

Let's try to find or buy it. We need to do something about it.

By the way, couldn't there be a situation similar to that of Bellargus and Corydon? Please correct me if I wrote something stupid.

As usual, I didn't have any material left : I gave away what I had, and now I haven't seen it here for two years, although I seem to be in the right place at the right time. Here it is very local and infrequent. I will try to make more efforts next year and catch up, but it will be at the end of July. And I want to get into the sample if there is an additional molecular analysis.

Well, yes, that's about what I meant. Or maybe the "blue ones" in Ona's time picked up this gene from real proteids, and so it evolved somewhat (after all, the blue clade is closer to the green one than to the red one?). And other genes are responsible for their morphological proximity to the" real " proto. It may even have happened several times, which "explains" the morphological proximity of some of the "greenies" to the present proto.

These thickheads are easiest to collect at the caterpillar stage. Zopniki - plants are noticeable and on their leaves it is very easy to see caterpillar houses. When you grow it, please note that the pre-pupation stage is very long.

According to my observations, the caterpillars are really very easy to find. They are also fed without any problems. Up to the fact that the feed sheet together with the caterpillar is put in a small plastic jar with a minimum of ventilation, so that the sheet does not dry out. At some point, the caterpillar stops feeding and just lies in this leaf for about a month, after which it pupates. Only, in my opinion, this is still not a long stage of pre-pupation, but the diapause of the caterpillar.

How can it not be a pre-pupa, if the caterpillar releases its intestines and becomes a different color? The most that neither is, Vona-predkukolka

Here we have a Catbegemot, as I remember, went to Portugal for a vacation. We need to trot him out. Without proto from the type locality, it is completely pointless to start an analysis.

I can send you a copy. I immediately spread them out there.

I've been thinking a bit about the status of one species. In order not to put pressure on the existing definition, can I ask you to define this handsome guy first? We'll decide there.

  
Is there really no key difference between serratulae and alveus other than cooking the genitals?

Are these all, like, Pyrgus alveus (Hubner, 1803)???

These are all, I think, Pyrgus serratulae (Rambur, 1839), although not a fact!

These tropical ones, maybe who knows?

it looks like nothing. It was just a little too big for me with the cards. BUT in the old collections, all such large individuals were called ssp. moeschleri H-Sch. So I doubted it. It's almost the size of a cribrellum. It seems, however, that this is the case.

 
Is there really no key difference between serratulae and alveus other than cooking the genitals?

Can you help me identify the thickhead, is it Gegenes nostrodamus (Fabricius, 1793) or Eogenes alcides (Hemch-Schaffer, 1852)?
Or is it both?

Take a look at the shape of the lower wings: it is rounded, not elongated downwards like in nostrodamus.

 
This attribute is unreliable. I caught nostrodamuses with round wings. Genitals are better to look at...

It is a pity that Chikolovets, as usual, did not bring anything but words. And I would like pictures, with genitals, of course.

I wonder how I, who identified the lectotype of alcides, could have so screwed up with its definition: D

Really, how?
The rush and the desire to rub the nose of the brats, so, in my opinion, you spoke about your motivation? Here is the result.
The person who identified the lectotype of alcides-confuses it with Nostradamus!

Please poke my nose where I put it.
Interesting to see.

Here are your words :" As my dad says, snotty people are kissed on time."
I apologize for the free interpretation.

Yes, here, in the checkers.

Well, it's started. Don't touch it...
In my opinion, I wrote to you quite politely that you were wrong and that Sergey's pictures were all alcides. And you made a mistake with the definition in your article.
And again, when you asked me how this could have happened, I expressed my opinion that you can't criticize the GREATS? I don't think I wrote anything offensive.

Well, it's started. Don't touch it...
In my opinion, I wrote to you quite politely that you were wrong and that Sergey's pictures were all alcides. And you made a mistake with the definition in your article.
And again, when you asked me how this could have happened, I expressed my opinion that you can't criticize the GREATS? I don't think I wrote anything offensive.

The Chinese fathead Pyrgus schansiensis Reverdin, 1915, is quite rare in our Far East.

Collected by: Primorsky Krai, Novogeorgievka village, 19-21. 07. 2004. Leg. S. Rybalkin